Today's youth!

[jefflovstrom]

considering tree work is one of the most dangerous jobs in the world ....$15??

is that with health insurance,hope so

think of what your life is worth before saying what sombody should get helping YOU make money....

like the gy said about living in todays world expenses etc 15$ isnt much at all

my uncle who used to be at the top of alot of companies list for who they wanted to climb for them, looked into a job with a large tree company/lineclearer and considering he had over 20 years of experience climbing and with tree service in general got offered a LAUGHABLE amount from them

Hey Idiot! It is a groundie working 4.5 to 5 hours a day and getting paid for 8!
He dont even feed a chipper or drive a vehicle! If I need a flagger, he's up!
He dont touch a saw. He still looks pretty when he goes home! Yeah, we pay for his uniform and cleaning! Wake the hell up!
Jeff

 

[mr. holden wood]

Hey Idiot! It is a groundie working 4.5 to 5 hours a day and getting paid for 8!
He dont even feed a chipper or drive a vehicle! If I need a flagger, he's up!
He dont touch a saw. He still looks pretty when he goes home! Yeah, we pay for his uniform and cleaning! Wake the hell up!
Jeff

I'm not looking to turn this into a employee vs employer argument but it seems to be heading that way. Drive time is not a employee benefit, riding around or driving a chip truck in traffic sucks and is definitely work.
It's hard to imagine you have a groundman that doesn't feed a chipper or run a saw , if thats the case it's more youre fault then his. I think fifteen an hour is the minimum a quality groundsman should make. You can find people that will work for less but you will always get what you pay for. Saving a couple bucks dosent seem worth cycling through employee's and offering low quality work in my opinion.

 

[Jumper]

I'm not looking to turn this into a employee vs employer argument but it seems to be heading that way. Drive time is not a employee benefit, riding around or driving a chip truck in traffic sucks and is definitely work.
It's hard to imagine you have a groundman that doesn't feed a chipper or run a saw , if thats the case it's more youre fault then his. I think fifteen an hour is the minimum a quality groundsman should make. You can find people that will work for less but you will always get what you pay for. Saving a couple bucks dosent seem worth cycling through employee's and offering low quality work in my opinion.

Well put!

 

[freeweight]

got a feeling your an @sshole to your workers....and you hired a guy to just stand around?? its getting deep in here haha

you saw a chance to save money and took it,dont beat around the bush ,might as well got a day worker for 5bucks an hour,but whatever

you said he thought 15 bucks an hour wasnt good enough,so you implied that was the wage you offered so lowering him below 15....saves you money

im assuming there is no health insurance ,at least medical?

like i said think of what YOU would work for in this day an age,simple fact is this isnt 20 years ago ,you break a hundred your lucky to get home with a twenty from it

 

[jefflovstrom]

I'm not looking to turn this into a employee vs employer argument but it seems to be heading that way. Drive time is not a employee benefit, riding around or driving a chip truck in traffic sucks and is definitely work.
It's hard to imagine you have a groundman that doesn't feed a chipper or run a saw , if thats the case it's more youre fault then his. I think fifteen an hour is the minimum a quality groundsman should make. You can find people that will work for less but you will always get what you pay for. Saving a couple bucks dosent seem worth cycling through employee's and offering low quality work in my opinion.

Well, mr. Holden, I don't take a guy that never fed a chipper and make him do it the first day. It may take a full year before he is signed off as a qualified ground-man. After that, If I am too much of a hard -a s s , he will leave with a great wealth of knowledge and get his 15 an hour or stay with me. I will take my chance on that. Even if he don't stay, he will remember.
Jeff
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[Jumper]

Here is my expenses per month. I'm not saying your wrong or right but just to break it down. Keep in mind, my p/u truck is paid off, my house is a clean and comfy but very small two bedroom house. No cable, no gas bill. My phone and internet is high but that's because I mostly truck and therefore need unlimitted services. Electric is monthly average for the year. Health insurance is a very crappy with extremely high deductible. Child support is $434, but then she pays health and dental insurance which is about $200, so again if I didn't have to pay child support but had to pay health insurance that would only save me $234 per month. A lot of expenses, I've forgot or didn't include.

Mortgage, w/property tax and insurance, $696
Child Support $434
Health Insurance $189
Phone and internet $169
Electric $150
Water $35
p/u truck insurance $63
Food $280
Gas $400
Son's lunch money $50
Son's clothes, toys, misc school activities, $100
My clothes, gloves, boots, t-shirts $30

Total, $2596.00

$15 per hour at an average of 40 hours per week without even paying taxes
$2400.00


Ok, sorry I'm rambling now.

Not rambling at all-this is very well put together budget, and reflect exactly how $15 an hour goes in today's economic reality which especially if you live alone is not far! You are lucky you live in an area where housing is so inexpensive. And your vehicle insurance is dirt cheap, prolly because you do not live in a high crime city, and are a responsible driver. I see no money there whatsoever for recreation, alcohol (not that one has to drink but a few beers a week is a nice treat), your food bills are rock bottom, and as you said you don't have cable.

 

[jefflovstrom]

Oh Canada!!
Jeff

 

[treemandan]

I have always belived that the obvious evolution with the younger generations is attributed to a parent's philosophy which is that the parent's objective is to make life better, easier, and richer for the kids than the parents had it. Plus if you smoked what the younger generations are smoking you would not be so apt to break a sweat working either.
Its all evolution. I have been fighting it for awhile myself but have always known it to be enevitable. Its a shame the Mexicans are so cheaply handy cause if they weren't maybe guys like you and me could argue for a better wage but speaking of evolution and Mexicans; I guess its been since the dawn of reason when one group of men decided to enslave another cause the one group really wasn't that interested in doing any actuall work.

 

[jefflovstrom]

I have always belived that the obvious evolution with the younger generations is attributed to a parent's philosophy which is that the parent's objective is to make life better, easier, and richer for the kids than the parents had it. Plus if you smoked what the younger generations are smoking you would not be so apt to break a sweat working either.
Its all evolution. I have been fighting it for awhile myself but have always known it to be enevitable. Its a shame the Mexicans are so cheaply handy cause if they weren't maybe guys like you and me could argue for a better wage but speaking of evolution and Mexicans; I guess its been since the dawn of reason when one group of men decided to enslave another cause the one group really wasn't that interested in doing any actuall work.

I know there is a message in there somewhere, Dan!!
Jeff

 

[Jumper]

Oh Canada!!
Jeff

...our home and native land....

...the true north strong and free.....

...God keep our land, glorious and free.....

...O Canada! Where pines and maples grow
Great prairies spread and lordly rivers flow.....


Your point is??

 

[DangerTree]

If you guys are all making #### for money why not go back to school. Get a job you can be good at. No body should be eating bark in this business. The guy who is paying you is ripping you off plain and simple. He makes 1200 a day and you make 100 a day. And you know how to do it so who is to blame for the crappy money? You. Take some initiative be your own boss blow these clowns off and do it on your own!:chainsawguy:

 

[TreeAce]

I got a great idea!!!!! lets just start all groundsmen at 15 hour and move em up to 17 in a few months and then aftera few years make it 22 an hour!!! And then lets invest in some nice freakn chairs to put in the shop CUZ EVERBODYS GONNA BE SITTIN THERE and not workin cuz I KNOW I won't get anyjobs that still make em worth doin. The HO in this area aren't gonna pay much more than they are now . They just wont trim the trees. PERIOD , just that simple.

 

[TreEmergencyB]

If you guys are all making #### for money why not go back to school. Get a job you can be good at. No body should be eating bark in this business. The guy who is paying you is ripping you off plain and simple. He makes 1200 a day and you make 100 a day. And you know how to do it so who is to blame for the crappy money? You. Take some initiative be your own boss blow these clowns off and do it on your own!:chainsawguy:

If i had the money to start my own i would. I mean i got a pick up climbing gear and a chainsaw or 2 thats all it takes right? :monkey:

 

[DangerTree]

Sorta, You need at the very least,
Comfy climbing boots VIBERG Lineman great boot!
Weaver double D harness (not light but durable and cheapish)
200' 3/4" bull rope ( for yanking with the truckypoo )
2- 1/2" good quality kern mantle climbing ropes
1- 1/2" sturdy utility rope
100' 1" tubular webbing ( cut into random lenghts for slings ) use tape knot!
6 GOOD locking Caribiners ( screw lock easy w/ one hand )
2 -Rescue 8 Devices (Awesome learn how to use one properly) one for rappelling and one for load lowering ground guy.
10- sport beeners for rock climbing ( use w/ slings) no people below load!!! as no locking feature they are quicker, get bent gates wider opening
Leg irons ( they all suck to wear so get whatever)
Hardhat w/ screw lock and chin strap, Visor or safety glasses
Cutting pants/chaps
Knot book ( If you don't know Knots tie LOTS )!
Underwear ( clean, you will need space for the s..t you scare out of ya!
Some balls ( A decent pair of good sized balls really helps )
a shirt ( no time for impressing the ladies when you poop your pants )
An insurance policy ( you need something to wipe the poop of with )
A vehicle too stretch that fine 3/4" rope with, do not attempt to stretch the 1/2" rope w/ a 1ton truck they are simply not designed for that application I will kill you myself if I catch you! Remember 1/2' service lines MAY be used for repelling- do not over yank the 1/2 inch rope do I make myself clear on that? Clients ( all this is pointless with no clients )
Barenecks Tree book if you don't know #### about tree work

Well it's a short list but I figure you could make a living with just that crap. You can fit comfortably in your grannies Ford Fiesta and yer of to the rodeo!

 

[prentice110]

Sorta, You need at the very least,
Comfy climbing boots VIBERG Lineman great boot!
Weaver double D harness (not light but durable and cheapish)
200' 3/4" bull rope ( for yanking with the truckypoo )
2- 1/2" good quality kern mantle climbing ropes
1- 1/2" sturdy utility rope
100' 1" tubular webbing ( cut into random lenghts for slings ) use tape knot!
6 GOOD locking Caribiners ( screw lock easy w/ one hand )
2 -Rescue 8 Devices (Awesome learn how to use one properly) one for rappelling and one for load lowering ground guy.
10- sport beeners for rock climbing ( use w/ slings) no people below load!!! as no locking feature they are quicker, get bent gates wider opening
Leg irons ( they all suck to wear so get whatever)
Hardhat w/ screw lock and chin strap, Visor or safety glasses
Cutting pants/chaps
Knot book ( If you don't know Knots tie LOTS )!
Underwear ( clean, you will need space for the s..t you scare out of ya!
Some balls ( A decent pair of good sized balls really helps )
a shirt ( no time for impressing the ladies when you poop your pants )
An insurance policy ( you need something to wipe the poop of with )
A vehicle too stretch that fine 3/4" rope with, do not attempt to stretch the 1/2" rope w/ a 1ton truck they are simply not designed for that application I will kill you myself if I catch you! Remember 1/2' service lines MAY be used for repelling- do not over yank the 1/2 inch rope do I make myself clear on that? Clients ( all this is pointless with no clients )
Barenecks Tree book if you don't know #### about tree work

Well it's a short list but I figure you could make a living with just that crap. You can fit comfortably in your grannies Ford Fiesta and yer of to the rodeo!

:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[TreeAce]

LMFAO ....better just buy the whole 600ft spool of 3/4 .

 

[tree md]

I hired a 19 year old back in October. Was very pleasantly surprised at his work ethic and his intelligence. He works his butt off. I had to get on his ass about that cell phone a time or two but we have come to an understanding about that.

Very surprising to me, most young guys I have hired aren't worth a crap. Work just is not a priority to most of them.

I had another 19 year old a few years back who I had learning to climb. He worked OK but couldn't keep himself out of trouble.

 

[TreeAce]

Don't even get me goin on those cell phones!!! I let a guy go over the summer for texting to much ...just couldn't stay off that phone . Always worried what his girl was doin I think .

 

[tree md]

You got it. He is dating a little hottie, or was, they broke up a week or two ago. He can't stand to not know what's going on with her every moment and was constantly trying to call and text her. I had to lay the law down about the phone. I don't **** chat with girls on my cell phone at work and will not tolerate it out of my workers. When I get a call from a girlfriend I ask them what do you want, I'm working.

 

[OLYMPYC]

i text at work if were slow, but other then that, im workin my butt off, but guys getting the same pay or close to it w/ alot less know how are just messin around or sittin around waitin for me to do the work.