Tree Damage From Crop Spraying

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Had a bee hive close and after spraying they packed up and left, honey, wax cone and all.

I am offering a bit of a retraction. This is kind of obscure knowledge, but it seems that Roundup does have a direct affect on bees, although I rather doubt you were spraying it on your roses.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1803880115

"...bees rely on a specialized gut microbiota that benefits growth and provides defense against pathogens. Most bee gut bacteria contain the enzyme targeted by glyphosate, but vary in whether they possess susceptible versions and, correspondingly, in tolerance to glyphosate. Exposing bees to glyphosate alters the bee gut community and increases susceptibility to infection by opportunistic pathogens."​

Basically, Roundup upsets their little stomachs, and some strains of bees might be seriously affected.
 
I am offering a bit of a retraction. This is kind of obscure knowledge, but it seems that Roundup does have a direct affect on bees, although I rather doubt you were spraying it on your roses.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1803880115

"...bees rely on a specialized gut microbiota that benefits growth and provides defense against pathogens. Most bee gut bacteria contain the enzyme targeted by glyphosate, but vary in whether they possess susceptible versions and, correspondingly, in tolerance to glyphosate. Exposing bees to glyphosate alters the bee gut community and increases susceptibility to infection by opportunistic pathogens."​

Basically, Roundup upsets their little stomachs, and some strains of bees might be seriously affected.
I've read other articles about the effects of glyphosate on bees.
This is one I found this morning:

Glyphosate weedkiller damages wild bee colonies, study reveals

"The damage seen in the study occurred when the colonies were running short of food. This is common in farming regions, where wildflowers can be killed directly by glyphosate. The research is the first on wild bees, of which there are 20,000 species, though glyphosate had already been shown to harm honeybees by damaging larvae and the senses of adults."
"Determining how glyphosate causes the damage requires more research, but it is known to harm the microbiome in the guts of honeybees and is likely to do the same in bumblebees. This could mean the bumblebees need to spend more time feeding and less time heating the nest. The pesticide could also damage the bumblebees’ senses, disrupting the complex social interactions needed for a successful colony."
 
I had many spotty leaves around my home last year and maybe the year before and I live miles from any farm. I have occasional unexplained droopy leaves too.

I also do some work at a family farm. They do use herbicide and the bordering trees are unaffected with spots or droopy leaves. I cut MANY of them down annually because the continually growing branches hit the farm equipment. I kinda' wish these field edge trees would die or subside.

I ain't sayin there is zero chance the blowing herbicide hit your trees. I am saying that we share the same symptoms and my home is MILES from any farm. I have about 3/4 acre of "forest" at my home.
 
I had many spotty leaves around my home last year and maybe the year before and I live miles from any farm. I have occasional unexplained droopy leaves too.

I also do some work at a family farm. They do use herbicide and the bordering trees are unaffected with spots or droopy leaves. I cut MANY of them down annually because the continually growing branches hit the farm equipment. I kinda' wish these field edge trees would die or subside.

I ain't sayin there is zero chance the blowing herbicide hit your trees. I am saying that we share the same symptoms and my home is MILES from any farm. I have about 3/4 acre of "forest" at my home.

I agree with what you have said. There is no doubt overspray can occur but it is due to poor application...not paying attention, pressure too high, and wind. In can happen but it is human error not the product. All one has to do is look at the entire Dicamba fiasco and what is caused. That was due to poor application. The same as the "Banvel" issues of the 1980's.

I have one small field that is a winding mess of tiny pocketed areas. It is 90% surrounded by trees with just at 5000 feet of them. There is a one open area of about 900 feet that borders a 30 year old native prairie grass area. For years I put the field in hay but the last three years it has been in row crops. This year it is in wheat. The last three years it has been sprayed with glyphosate 2-3 times per year. It is sprayed once at pre-plant and 1-2 times at post plant. The pre-plant application is applied right to the edge of the woods with no issues on drift or non-selected species being affected. You do not go FULL BORE, you pay attention, and you watch winds. At planting I maintain a 10-12ft wide path between the crops and the woodline. That is done so every night I can ride the edge watching for deer and turkeys while giving my doggie a ride. I have never had any unintended kills. I do spot spray the invasive woody species along the edge also.

In the 30 years the prairie grass has been there the owner has never had an issue with my spraying.
Folks just need to pay attention to .......
Speed
Location
Pressure
Wind
 
I had many spotty leaves around my home last year and maybe the year before and I live miles from any farm. I have occasional unexplained droopy leaves too.

I also do some work at a family farm. They do use herbicide and the bordering trees are unaffected with spots or droopy leaves. I cut MANY of them down annually because the continually growing branches hit the farm equipment. I kinda' wish these field edge trees would die or subside.

I ain't sayin there is zero chance the blowing herbicide hit your trees. I am saying that we share the same symptoms and my home is MILES from any farm. I have about 3/4 acre of "forest" at my home.
Volatilized pesticides can travel up to 10 miles before settling down.
 
Saw this article posted in another thread this morning.
Better late than never. :rolleyes:

Environmental group kicks off campaign to save Illinois trees from herbicide drift

URBANA — Mayor Diane Marlin recalls joining a tour of Carle Park last summer organized by the Prairie Rivers Network, a local environmental advocacy group, and noticing the trees had damaged, curled leaves.
When she went home, the mayor noticed that the redbud in her backyard was sprouting the very same signs of damage as those in the Urbana park.

Kim Erndt-Pitcher, PRN’s director of ecological health, said a six-year study completed by the network and its partners has found that afflicted leaves are just one of many symptoms caused by herbicides that drift from target plants and coat trees all over the state.

Marlin, Erndt-Pitcher and other spokespersons for the city and nonprofit will be gathering in Carle Park at 2 p.m. today to kick off PRN’s Save Our Trees campaign, which aims to raise awareness of the widespread harm done by herbicide drift.

“This is not confined to parks, it’s not confined to city trees, the damage, when you start looking, you’ll see the damage from the herbicide drift everywhere,” Marlin said.
PRN started monitoring the prevalence of herbicides in 2018 after the group began receiving calls “left and right” from individuals concerned about the state of trees in their yards, orchards and forests, Erndt-Pitcher said.

Most of the monitoring took place in Southern Illinois, but Erndt-Pitcher, a co-author on the study, said every one of the 13 tree tissue samples taken from the Champaign-Urbana area tested positive for residues of herbicide — which can move through the air when first applied or become volatile and vaporize into the atmosphere.

When the chemicals eventually land on trees, they can stunt leaf growth and cause them to become cupped or curled. Redbuds serve as canaries in the coal mine because they are particularly sensitive, but Erndt-Pitcher said the impact isn’t limited to plants alone as herbicides can travel onto playgrounds and through open windows.
“This monitoring we’ve been doing, not only have we been seeing injuries on the large majority of the state, year after year, but we’ve monitored many sites multiple times throughout the summer in the growing season, so we know that these herbicide exposures are occurring more than once,” Erndt-Pitcher said.
“It’s important for us to recognize this because it’s not only pervasive, it is something that is poorly studied, and right now, we’re not doing enough to stop the injuries.”

Ahead of the study’s release in two to three weeks, Maggie Bruns, PRN’s executive director, said the Save Our Trees campaign serves as the next mobilization phase of work done by the coalition which consists of other nonprofits, conservationists and everyday landowners.

The group wants to encourage individuals to stop treating their lawns and spread awareness of herbicide drift in Champaign-Urbana, with several art installations timed with the opening of the Boneyard Arts Festival — like brown burlap ribbons tied around all 300 trees in Carle Park.

But the group also plans on taking its findings on the road and pressuring other cities around the state to stop treating lawns with herbicides. Ultimately, Erndt-Pitcher said existing regulations need to be strengthened and better enforced.
“We’re a nonprofit, and I do not have the resources that industrial agricultural chemical companies do,” Bruns said. “But what we do have are people, we have science, we have justice, and that’s kind of what we’re trying to mobilize around right now, and I think with that will come change.”

Marlin said she’s a “fifth-generation family-farm girl,” so she understands the importance of agriculture to Champaign County and the state’s economy.

But the mayor also emphasized the critical role that the thousands of trees in Urbana play, as they provide temperature control, keep water clean and offer mental and physical health benefits to those who treasure the city’s natural areas.

“I can tell you one of the things people value most about Urbana are our trees,” Marlin said. “It’s part of our public infrastructure, just like our streets and sidewalks and sewers and lights.”
“It contributes to the beauty of the city, the quality of life, the health of the city itself. So that’s why I’m very concerned about the damage I’m seeing, and I know we can work together to take the steps we need to to both maintain our food supply as well as protect our environment.”
 
Dunno whether I mentioned it here, but atrazine overspray kills the sh!t out of my Thuja "Green Giants." They seem to be far more sensitive to it than any other trees I have. If I want TGGs to survive, they need to be a good 50' away from the edge of the yard (surrounded by farmland). I also hose them down with water right afterwards if I think they got overspray of atrazine...I still have a few that haven't been killed off yet...(TGGs are generally very hardy and hard to kill, but atrazine does a number on them.)
 
Dunno whether I mentioned it here, but atrazine overspray kills the sh!t out of my Thuja "Green Giants." They seem to be far more sensitive to it than any other trees I have. If I want TGGs to survive, they need to be a good 50' away from the edge of the yard (surrounded by farmland). I also hose them down with water right afterwards if I think they got overspray of atrazine...I still have a few that haven't been killed off yet...(TGGs are generally very hardy and hard to kill, but atrazine does a number on them.)
The guy my neighbor hired to do her yard work killed several of my TGG a few years ago. Idk what he used but it killed the **** out of them, right quick and in a hurry.
Those that are left didn't seem to be affected by the 24-D volatilization/ contamination of two years ago. Really, those were the only living thing in my yard that wasn't affected by the chemical.
 
They're here.

I was sitting outside, enjoying the gorgeous spring morning, working on a weed-whacker I'm making with an old wood handle and some hose clamps.
Got the old weathered handle sanded, and was in the process of heat-sealing it with wax - was just a foot from the end of being finished.
While the heat gun was running I thought I heard a tractor. Then I saw the huge boom sprayer at the property line, probably less than 100' from where I was working, by my back porch steps. I smelled it before I saw it.

I quickly gathered up my stuff and then grabbed the new roll of plastic sheeting I just bought this morning and quickly covered both garden areas.
Then I hollered for the cats, brought them inside and closed all the windows.
The farmer has promised me he would call before they spray, but he never has.

And now, I'm sitting here crying... and more than likely will be, off and on, throughout the season as I watch things shrivel up and die all around me.

The past two days I made shopping trips, one store was 15 miles north, the other 5 miles west.
I was so happy, thanking G0d for the beautiful spring this year, thinking if I die tomorrow I'll be thankful for this one last beautiful spring... the air is fresh and clean, the sky clear and blue, the fields lush and green and full of yellow, white, blue, and purple wildflowers, and trees everywhere leafing green. I saw only 3-4 fields that have been "burned down" with chemicals and today I saw a huge field that was corn/soy last year now with nursery workers planting nursery stock instead. I gave them a big thumbs-up as I drove by.

So far, this spring has been what spring should be- clean, green, and fresh with the promise of new life just around the corner. It even reminded me of the spring-times I remember from when I was younger and lived in NY.

From today on though, I'll be waiting and watching to see what turns brown and dies. Again. Still.
And with every one, a part of me dies with it.
 
It makes a lot more sense to make some notes about the prevailing winds, temperature, and document what goes on.

Before and after photographs of your perimeter, garden, etc makes a lot of sense too. Then some daily pictures, too.
For all we know, the sprayer folks are diligently aware of your concerns, and saved that field for a day when you would be protected from the prevailing breeze.

Smelling it isn't a good sign, though.
 
It makes a lot more sense to make some notes about the prevailing winds, temperature, and document what goes on.

Before and after photographs of your perimeter, garden, etc makes a lot of sense too. Then some daily pictures, too.
For all we know, the sprayer folks are diligently aware of your concerns, and saved that field for a day when you would be protected from the prevailing breeze.

Smelling it isn't a good sign, though.
Been there, done that.
https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/us/tn/murfreesboro/KBNA

Not only did I smell it, but tasted it too and it made me sick to my stomach before I could get inside.
 
The wind is right at 10mph and just below, and that's the limit.
Mark my words though, around noon, as the temps continue to rise (predicted record high today), the wind will pick up and go over 10.
Ripe for volatilization.

What makes it even worse is that nearly everything has leafed out by now.

https://www.wunderground.com/hourly/us/tn/murfreesboro/KBNA
 
I'd flag 'em down and politely request documentation as to what they are applying. I'm pretty sure they are under no obligation to tell you, so be nice, polite, yet concerned.
I can't do that anymore.
You guys know how sick and crazy it made me two years ago when it first happened.
NO ONE GIVES A ****.
"TN is a Right to Farm" state.
"Tough *******, suck it up buttercup, everything will be fine."
 
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