ropensaddle
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You think your up too the challenge? Bring your ass on with insurance I will put you in a tree and give you a better perspective.
Underbidding $&^%%$!!!
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You think your up too the challenge? Bring your ass on with insurance I will put you in a tree and give you a better perspective.
roostersgt
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Truly an awesome job and took skillful work, but it's not what is done normally, or very often I'm sure. Bubbas are not bidding on that type of job, are they?
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If yer gonna use the term "professional arborist," ypu might want to consider the meaning of the word professional.
There is a professional arborist here in town...this #### is just about as arrogant as some of the posts in this thread...and me, the little start up bubba with a little gear and a couple of trucks is eating his lunch...I get fairly tired of hearing about how arrogant a bunch of these clowns are..but it sure does make for some nice paychecks for yours truly....so you have a certification...big friggin deal...there are more paths to knowledge than the obvious.
what was the line from Stripes? Lighten up Francis.
There is a professional arborist here in town...this #### is just about as arrogant as some of the posts in this thread...and me, the little start up bubba with a little gear and a couple of trucks is eating his lunch...I get fairly tired of hearing about how arrogant a bunch of these clowns are..but it sure does make for some nice paychecks for yours truly....so you have a certification...big friggin deal...there are more paths to knowledge than the obvious.
what was the line from Stripes? Lighten up Francis.
ropensaddle
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Here ya go watch out for the power now big guy lol
tree md
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You can come fly with me over Alabama for a day...
The 110' pine in the foreground is uprooted and hung up over a 1-2 million dollar home. I am in the tree behind it so I can put a line in it before I climb it to keep it from coming the rest of the way over on me... And to lower the whole tree from over the house... And yes, I have been doing them like this on a daily basis...
Getcha some.
The 110' pine in the foreground is uprooted and hung up over a 1-2 million dollar home. I am in the tree behind it so I can put a line in it before I climb it to keep it from coming the rest of the way over on me... And to lower the whole tree from over the house... And yes, I have been doing them like this on a daily basis...
Getcha some.
ropensaddle
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roostersgt
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You've missed the points completely. Most Bubbas are NOT underbidding you on those types of jobs. They're likely taking your cream puff 1-3 hour jobs. I never suggested the experts should not be called for when circumstances dictate it. Power line? Between homes? Those are specialist jobs. Most tree removals in my neighborhood with two pro golf courses are ideal for anyone with a truck and chainsaw. Seen an awful lot of trees dropped in yards and on the courses over the past 40 years and none took more than 3 hours and two guys. The only thing different with my "hazard" tree removal was the use of a boom truck. Anyone with the truck could have chunked it down and shredded it, anyone capable of renting the boom truck.
I'm not your average HO. Check my signature. Think I haven't felled a few trees???
I'm not your average HO. Check my signature. Think I haven't felled a few trees???
ropensaddle
Feel Lucky
Tell ya what roster put that suit on a sell us some work just remember Im worth 2k per day and up! Many of us here are don't mean we git it but we are definitely worth it if your good at sales you are too!
Rftreeman
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truck & a chainsaw.......truck & a chainsaw........truck & a chainsaw...
sure am glad I got a truck and a CHIPPER else I might be considered underbidding scum.........
sure am glad I got a truck and a CHIPPER else I might be considered underbidding scum.........
TreeClimber57
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Well, if you can find a place that will rent you one I guess... May work for home owners (if they can find a place). I know here if you are a business, there are a lot of legal requirements to even use a boom truck, never mind a crane.
And a stump grinder and chipper.. for smaller jobs ok. But you would be hard pressed to find larger chippers and larger stump grinders anywhere that you can rent.
Last time I checked a BC1800 was running around $65K to buy. Bucket truck is going to run you well over $100K. Bucket trucks (at least here) cost $4K a year to get all the legal crap out of way - inspections, etc.. before you even turn a wheel and make a single dollar. Chippers are high maintenance machines (knives constantly need sharpening/replacement) - stump grinders as well. The equipment one puts on the truck is in the tens of thousands of dollars - an example is we just picked up a hydraulic pole saw - for all hoses, swivels, etc.. was $2600+. Try pricing some of the blocks, or a GRCS as other fine examples of what might shock you pricewise.
We have one of the highest workers comp rates and insurance rates of likely any professional you are going to bring onto your property.. along with likely one of the highest equipment costs.
Now if a guy is running around in a pickup with a little green saw and charging $2K or 3K for a days work.. you may have a point. But if you are rolling up with equipment that is going to run into the six digits, you are going to charge for it being there.
Anybody who does not understand the costs, really has never seen that end of a tree business. Yes guys can run around with pickup and chainsaw, with no formal training and no insurance and charge a couple of hundred dollars, but we are not even remotely close to comparing apples with apples here.
Going back to first statement, if you can find somebody to rent the items to you, and around here you won't due to liability issues (with bucket truck for sure). Then you still have some issues.. what happens if there is an accident.. where have all your savings gone?
roostersgt
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Tell ya what roster put that suit on a sell us some work just remember Im worth 2k per day and up! Many of us here are don't mean we git it but we are definitely worth it if your good at sales you are too!
For the truly tough jobs, I'm sure you're worth every penny of $2K. For the jobs you're obviously losing to the Bubbas, not so much. You don't pay for a brain surgeon when you only need the school nurse for a boo booo. It's all relative and some need to keep that in mind. I worked a lot of years lathing and plastering. Made good money on small jobs. Complained about losing many to illegals in the early '80s during the invasion. Didn't get me anywhere complaining to the other union members. We simply had to bid the jobs they couldn't afford to take.
ropensaddle
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Rooster don't you like a little cake with your meal? These low ballers come in a hack the trees up with improper cuts they get hurt and raise our insurance rates. They would not know an apical bud from a lenticel or mychorizae from axillary bud! They also end up planting trees which they have NO business doing and all sorts of problems develop from their bubba ism
roostersgt
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Don't know much about Canadian laws, but here in California anyone can rent a bucket truck, chipper and stump grinderd. I have 3 heavy equipment rental yards within 15 miles that rent everything you can imagine. Haven't seen any cranes though. D-8 Cat? No problem. Grader? No problem. Heck, go to the sponsor section at this site and anyone with $11K can buy a used bucket truck. They have several available.
TreeClimber57
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Rooster don't you like a little cake with your meal? These low ballers come in a hack the trees up with improper cuts they get hurt and raise our insurance rates. They would not know an apical bud from a lenticel or mychorizae from axillary bud! They also end up planting trees which they have NO business doing and all sorts of problems develop from their bubba ism
End up giving the whole industry a bad name, and we all suffer for it.
ropensaddle
Feel Lucky
Rooster don't you like a little cake with your meal? These low ballers come in a hack the trees up with improper cuts they get hurt and raise our insurance rates. They would not know an apical bud from a lenticel or mychorizae from axillary bud! They also end up planting trees which they have NO business doing and all sorts of problems develop from their bubba ism
Btw i can do the cake better usually cheaper after you consider their screw-ups that any bubba can. Why? Because I'm professional! I do many trees at or under 500 but to deploy all my gear and equipment insurance knowledge your going to pay my rate.
roostersgt
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Rooster don't you like a little cake with your meal? These low ballers come in a hack the trees up with improper cuts they get hurt and raise our insurance rates. They would not know an apical bud from a lenticel or mychorizae from axillary bud! They also end up planting trees which they have NO business doing and all sorts of problems develop from their bubba ism
I'm only addressing the REMOVAL aspect that has been complained about. You needn't be a trained / certified Arborist to cut, drop and chip a tree. If someone likes their tree and hires a Bubba to "top" it or prune it for peanuts, they get what they deserve. I'm only talking about the removal of trees.
Rftreeman
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what the hell is a bubbas......
TreeClimber57
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I can not totally disagree with that. Problem is many of them are trying to sell themselves to the public as the brain surgeon... so public thinks they are getting the brain surgeon at a bargain. Makes it difficult for the "real" one to compete.
ropensaddle
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Lol...mine even dumps! Uptown bubba!
What was that saw about the special olympics and arguing on the internet?
