Vallorbe Racing Cut System

[wanab]

Well someone's words can be taken however you wish

that is why it works so good for them by saying it like that.





let me give you a lesson in economics 101. the CEO of a wallstreet company says we will not need to raise more capital, we will not cut the dividend, ect....


what really is going on in the company is something other that what is being stated/implied depending on your perception.


best of luck marketing this system to all your pro customers.

 

[Edge & Engine]

that is why it works so good for them by saying it like that.





let me give you a lesson in economics 101. the CEO of a wallstreet company says we will not need to raise more capital, we will not cut the dividend, ect....


what really is going on in the company is something other that what is being stated/implied depending on your perception.


best of luck marketing this system to all your pro customers.

Some of my pro customers already use hand-filed square ground chain

btw, the quotes came from email correspondence with Mr. Carlstrom

 

[wanab]

Some of my pro customers already use hand-filed square ground chain

so you admit that it is for some and not intended to be marketed to all???


opcorn:

 

[gatkeper1]

so you admit that it is for some and not intended to be marketed to all???


opcorn:

I'm willing to bet they don't intend to market toward those who find fault in everything

 

[Edge & Engine]

so you admit that it is for some and not intended to be marketed to all???


opcorn:

Haha, I find you very amusing

The reason most people (regardless of whether they cut for a living or not) do not use square ground chain is because they lack the skill or equipment to sharpen it. ATOP's goal is to change that.

 

[2000ssm6]

Haha, I find you very amusing

The reason most people (regardless of whether they cut for a living or not) do not use square ground chain is because they lack the skill or equipment to sharpen it. ATOP's goal is to change that.

That's me, I lack the equipment. I got a Stihl FG2 coming for my round, square is some good stuff though.

 

[wanab]

i cannot speak for your customer base but from my experience commercial cutters have no interest in the need for an expensive item that will create more downtime and be harder for lower skilled/paid employees to use effectively. they seem to want to jump out of the truck, pick up the saw that has been bouncing around since the last job and cut for as long as possible before a resharp is required.

clearly there are hardcore and enthusiasts that do not fall into this category but it is far less that the all or entire market you foresee.


JM2C's!

 

[Chopwood]

For god's sake people! As long as some of you have been sitting around waiting for this thing, just go buy some damn files and learn! It's not hard at all, really, to square file.

I posted this a month ago, has anybody taken my advice? Really, if this thing gets any more outrageous, Billy Mays is going yo be selling it. Race file system????? HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA! Show up at a real race with one of your Billy Mays chains.

 

[Haywire Haywood]

You know it's not meant to compete with a hand filed custom race chain, yet you argue against it as if you think it is.

Everyone here sees it as a way to get decent results sharpening square without sitting over a bench for hours and hours practicing. Nothing more.

Ian

 

[berryman70]

You know it's not meant to compete with a hand filed custom race chain, yet you argue against it as if you do.

Everyone here sees it as a way to get decent results sharpening square without sitting over a bench for hours and hours practicing. Nothing more.

Ian

:agree2:
I just told Kyle (edge & engines) I'd be interested in one when they come in.
Good tools are expensive, you get what you pay for, also when something new comes out you pay for design & technology. From what I've read on this thread I don't believe it is intended for an all out racechain, but a way for the average cutter to be able to make a square ground and take advantage of faster cutting speed.

 

[chowdozer]

Haha, I find you very amusing

The reason most people (regardless of whether they cut for a living or not) do not use square ground chain is because they lack the skill or equipment to sharpen it. ATOP's goal is to change that.

lol, yeah E&E.

Seems like wana p who doesn't have one, hasn't used one and hasn't seen one sure knows alot.

 

[super3]

I posted this a month ago, has anybody taken my advice? Really, if this thing gets any more outrageous, Billy Mays is going yo be selling it. Race file system????? HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA! Show up at a real race with one of your Billy Mays chains.

Go back and read no.125,I got some more files,I'm still learnin.I'm getting better. I'd still like to see how this thing compares to my filing.

 

[landroverbill]

looks like this?

 

[046]

basically correct... most folks don't have $1,000 for a square grinder.
even if one takes the time to learn how to file square by hand. most don't have the time and/or patience to spend 15-20 minutes per chain.

besides price of entry... main drawback is fragile tooth angles. it's advantage is it's weakness. if you stay in nothing but clean wood. square cut will maintain it's sharpness for a long time.

touch the least little dirt and square goes dull!
round chain is way more durable than square. if you are cutting lots of dirty wood... no way you'd want square chain.

that being said... once you cut with a nice sharp square chain... you don't want to be without... much faster cut... at least 30% faster for me.

Haha, I find you very amusing

The reason most people (regardless of whether they cut for a living or not) do not use square ground chain is because they lack the skill or equipment to sharpen it. ATOP's goal is to change that.

 

[redprospector]

basically correct... most folks don't have $1,000 for a square grinder.
even if one takes the time to learn how to file square by hand. most don't have the time and/or patience to spend 15-20 minutes per chain.

besides price of entry... main drawback is fragile tooth angles. it's advantage is it's weakness. if you stay in nothing but clean wood. square cut will maintain it's sharpness for a long time.

touch the least little dirt and square goes dull!
round chain is way more durable than square. if you are cutting lots of dirty wood... no way you'd want square chain.

that being said... once you cut with a nice sharp square chain... you don't want to be without... much faster cut... at least 30% faster for me.

If a person put's in the time to get proficient with a file it dosen't take 15 to 20 minutes to file a chain, unless you let it get "ball peen hammer" dull.
I can touch up a dull chain in the woods about as fast as most can touch up a round filed chain. But I've been doing it for a day or two.

Andy

 

[046]

you've got my admiration, if you can hand sharpen a square chain fast as round. typically takes me 3 to 4 minutes to sharpen a round chain on the bar.

as you pointed out... you've been doing it longer. it took me two week's worth of figuring out, before I could produce a reasonably good cutting square chain.

but no matter what I would do... it'd take me at least 15 minute to do a chain. when you've got 6-7 chains to sharpen... it's not happening!

If a person put's in the time to get proficient with a file it dosen't take 15 to 20 minutes to file a chain, unless you let it get "ball peen hammer" dull.
I can touch up a dull chain in the woods about as fast as most can touch up a round filed chain. But I've been doing it for a day or two.

Andy

 

[redprospector]

you've got my admiration, if you can hand sharpen a square chain fast as round. typically takes me 3 to 4 minutes to sharpen a round chain on the bar.

as you pointed out... you've been doing it longer. it took me two week's worth of figuring out, before I could produce a reasonably good cutting square chain.

but no matter what I would do... it'd take me at least 15 minute to do a chain. when you've got 6-7 chains to sharpen... it's not happening!

It typically takes me about 5 to 6 minutes to touch up a chain. That's for a 28 to 32" bar. If you have to take more than 3 strokes per tooth you went too far with a square grind.
Keep at it, you'll get there.

Andy

 

[046]

ok... will have to give a go touching up square on the bar ..
been carrying an extra dozen freshly ground square chains.
starting to get faster at changing out chains.

It typically takes me about 5 to 6 minutes to touch up a chain. That's for a 28 to 32" bar. If you have to take more than 3 strokes per tooth you went too far with a square grind.
Keep at it, you'll get there.

Andy

 

[wanab]

lol, yeah E&E.

Seems like wana p who doesn't have one, hasn't used one and hasn't seen one sure knows alot.

LoL,yeah!

Edge$Engine

i might not know a lot about this product but its more than 90%+ of the peeps posting in this thread know. infact i could show you one of these chains right now, can you say that?





just to be clear i endorse this product given disclaimer of use/intended purpose.

 

[John Ellison]

starting to get faster at changing out chains.

Does anyone else put on a new chain with the saw on its side, instead of in an upright position? For me it is a lot faster.