Wedge Stacking?

[bitzer]

Lol, that fibre pull was the unitentional dutchmen fault. Lots less waste then your funking cuts. Which doesn't matter anyway, cause all your trees are dens for racoons. Lol

Why would you allow an unintentional dutchman on high dollar wood? You had all the time in the world only cutting two trees per day!

 

[Gypo Logger]

Why would you allow an unintentional dutchman on high dollar wood? You had all the time in the world only cutting two trees per day!

If I recall, the tree was a tapped sawlog. Probably fence wire in it too. Lol
Place nice, and don't be so cocky, you've only been in the bush four years. Lol

 

[bitzer]

If I recall, the tree was a tapped sawlog. Probably fence wire in it too. Lol
Place nice, and don't be so cocky, you've only been in the bush four years. Lol

Its funny how i've learned to do things with trees you've never even thought of in such a short time. I can save em out without chaining em together. Buck without wedges too. Yee-haw! So why did you quit? I'm confident in the woods. The only place i really feel comfortable.

 

[chucker]

you know you did something right when you can take a frozen hardwood tree with a top heavy spider crown back leaner to the ground without busting it apart! after accomplishing a task like this working with a straight as an arrow pine even swaying in the wind to mothers song , there a piece of cake and able to eat it too!

 

[Gypo Logger]

Its funny how i've learned to do things with trees you've never even thought of in such a short time. I can save em out without chaining em together. Buck without wedges too. Yee-haw! So why did you quit? I'm confident in the woods. The only place i really feel comfortable.

Don't get too cocky, its a dangerous game.
Since when did I quit the woods?

 

[northmanlogging]

Hey gypo, you sure get grumpy in the winter... maybe think about getting one of them happy lights? or maybe cable... Play some hockey, dig a tunnel to town...

Just sayin, rest of the year yer kinda fun...

 

[Macman125]

I have never in my life seen that technique. Looks like poo lol.

 

[treeslayer2003]

OP, i am on the extreme east side and even i think all this GOL and that ridicules wedge stack is some bull chit some desk jocky come up with for little pecker pole falling.

any stick can be back cut if set up right....fact. as far as stacking, if i think i'll need to {rarely] i will start three 10" then only drive the two outside ones till i can get a second on top the middle one. this way they cannot wiggle out side ways.

it would be better in most cases to use a swing dutchman or sizwheel imho.

 

[northmanlogging]

OP, i am on the extreme east side and even i think all this GOL and that ridicules wedge stack is some bull chit some desk jocky come up with for little pecker pole falling.

any stick can be back cut if set up right....fact. as far as stacking, if i think i'll need to {rarely] i will start three 10" then only drive the two outside ones till i can get a second on top the middle one. this way they cannot wiggle out side ways.

it would be better in most cases to use a swing dutchman or sizwheel imho.

I'ma gonna steal that one

 

[Westboastfaller]

The problem is if you question any of their methods you get fired. I'm all for learning new techniques to add to the bag of tricks. But all they bloat about is how their methods are superior and safer.
They also preach a boring back-cut on every tree.

I'm surprised, they do have higher standards in California than Gol to fall on the fire if my understanding is correct. Tell them you adhere to the higher standards and the real production cutters in the country & around the globe are laughing.

How the heck do they figure Pounding a single stack of steep wedges is safer than alternating sleek wedges on a parellal drive. Much less energy expelled by the Faller and way less energy transfer to alternate sleek wedges. It's always parellal alternation on danger trees for a reason.

Heavyweights?
These guys need basic "grade one page one physics lessons.
Start with the definition of work & energy and force constraint force,distance and moving body


I would make them look retarded with my 22 handle 3. 1/2 pounded against those methods with a 5 pound wedge melter if they like.

The best way to teach this^^^ more so this type of man is to watch him break in your presence, them have 'em watch with out word. After a long silence then look back and say; ....Did I make myself clear back there?? The answer is always YES.
Once you clue them in that there is a lot more to it than the little bubble they live in.... then who knows?

 

[windthrown]

You mean that's not how yer supposed to start them?

No no no no non no no... you are supposed to read the official OSHA approved book that came with the saw, in Spanish, and start the saw with the saw on the ground, your right foot jammed into the back handle, you bent over to start the saw so you are completely off balance on your left knee leaning into the bar, and start the saw from a very weak right arm and wrist position to promote injury. Never mind that the saws are designed by the engineers to be drop started, that the guys at all the saw shops around here drop start saws, and every logger, tree butcher and faller that I know drop starts their saws, except when an insurance or OSHA agent is within eyesight. Or if you are being certified, doing state or federal land work, or some company douche bag from the main office is hanging around in the field observing things.

 

[windthrown]

Out here where I am its pretty much all small gyppo logging with a hodge-podge of heavy equipment, saws, fallers and truckers. The logs that I see rolling out of here are a smattering of local mill premium saw logs, export logs, pulp logs and culls for firewood. Some log loads are hauled by shiny new trucks with 'perty low taper #1 peeler Doug fir logs rolling along in front of my house. They are a sight to see. Others are double trailer rigs on old tractors with pulp logs piled high any which way and they look like they are not going to make it another mile down the road, let alone to the mill. The slash and cull logs are hauled out of here with dump trucks. No one gives a ***** how the trees are felled, if wedges were used or how, how the logs are skidded and stacked, how they look when they are hauled out, or what brand of saw was used to fall and buck them. They just care about the trees being felled, cut to length and limbed, loaded, getting them to the mills and getting paid.

 

[bitzer]

Don't get too cocky, its a dangerous game.
Since when did I quit the woods?

Quit logging? John you know of me from an online forum. What i do in the world is a little different. I treat every tree and cutting situation with respect. As if it could mangle or kill me. I've got 5 kids to go home to at the end of the day. Thats my goal. To make it home. So do you have any pics of you leaned up on a log lookin real tough?

 

[bitzer]

Out here where I am its pretty much all small gyppo logging with a hodge-podge of heavy equipment, saws, fallers and truckers. The logs that I see rolling out of here are a smattering of local mill premium saw logs, export logs, pulp logs and culls for firewood. Some log loads are hauled by shiny new trucks with 'perty low taper #1 peeler Doug fir logs rolling along in front of my house. They are a sight to see. Others are double trailer rigs on old tractors with pulp logs piled high any which way and they look like they are not going to make it another mile down the road, let alone to the mill. The slash and cull logs are hauled out of here with dump trucks. No one gives a ***** how the trees are felled, if wedges were used or how, how the logs are skidded and stacked, how they look when they are hauled out, or what brand of saw was used to fall and buck them. They just care about the trees being felled, cut to length and limbed, loaded, getting them to the mills and getting paid.

Yep. The mill doesn't care how the wood gets there. As long as it gets there and in one piece.

 

[Bwildered]

So I've been working a fire rehab job in California. And we have all these trainer's from the south that tell us how to fell the trees. They're basically GOL worshippers, its been incredibly frustrating working for them. But I've got a specific question about the way they tell us to wedge trees, specifically stacking wedges. I found this photo on the web, but it's the way they teach:

Please tell me I'm not only one that thinks this method of stacking wedges is garbage. You make two bore cuts directly below your back-cut.

It maybe rubbish, but each wedge has the advantage of being in timber & has less chance of flying out like plastic on dirty plastic, if a wedge does shoot out of the back cut then there is a higher chance of the hinge failing when it sits back down again, they must give reasons though of why this method is preferred & better than any other, or its just a meaningless way of training.
Tanski

 

[northmanlogging]

It maybe rubbish, but each wedge has the advantage of being in timber & has less chance of flying out like plastic on dirty plastic, if a wedge does shoot out of the back cut then there is a higher chance of the hinge failing when it sits back down again, they must give reasons though of why this method is preferred & better than any other, or its just a meaningless way of training.
Tanski

Well you don't stack wedges without another wedge making room. And yes they sometimes do pop out, but not with any king of bone smashing force, maybe a bruise, but bruises we're used too. When they do pop out there is the other set of wedges already tightened up, they really only pop out when getting started.

Bore cutting is inherently dangerous, anytime you use the tip you risk a kick back, kick backs can maim or kill, so how the **** is that safer?

Not to mention boring into it you don't really know how far you've gone so you could be cutting away the all important hinge wood without even knowing it. or worse you haven't gone deep enough and the wedges will stall out and you spend an hour trying to move a tree with wedges that can't go anywhere.

Also when exactly are you supposed to start this stacking, cause I'd like to see these yahoos try and bore under a started wedge, or better yet get 2 going and make a third hole. I carry extra bars in the Crummy, and extra saws, but I don't carry that many of them.

 

[chucker]

Quit logging? John you know of me from an online forum. What i do in the world is a little different. I treat every tree and cutting situation with respect. As if it could mangle or kill me. I've got 5 kids to go home to at the end of the day. Thats my goal. To make it home. So do you have any pics of you leaned up on a log lookin real tough?

this was a tough and rough day at 100degs. with 70% humidity... no power with the hyd for the lift to roll an pile logs except old man power? kinda got a good feel for the ole timers and their toils with tough conditions.... we are so lucky today !lol

 

[137cc]

I'm surprised, they do have higher standards in California than Gol to fall on the fire if my understanding is correct. Tell them you adhere to the higher standards and the real production cutters in the country & around the globe are laughing.

This a fire rehab job, not a wildfire suppression job. Basically a big California electric utility hired a company from out of state so they could avoid the 41% comprehensive insurance rate. The company is out of the south, and they hired a company called NATS (North American Training Solutions) to be trainers. These NATS guys are diehard GOL fans. My last phone died otherwise I would post some photos of the horrible stumps they leave (even by GOL standards).

These NATS guys don't want to hear anything other than yes sir. Since we're around power lines every tree has to have a rope in it. They require a rope in every tree over 10' tall, even ones that have no chance of hitting a powerline. And brag about how they are actively trying to change the ANSI standard to every tree over 10' needs a rope.

 

[Gologit]

This a fire rehab job, not a wildfire suppression job. Basically a big California electric utility hired a company from out of state so they could avoid the 41% comprehensive insurance rate. The company is out of the south, and they hired a company called NATS (North American Training Solutions) to be trainers. These NATS guys are diehard GOL fans. My last phone died otherwise I would post some photos of the horrible stumps they leave (even by GOL standards).

These NATS guys don't want to hear anything other than yes sir. Since we're around power lines every tree has to have a rope in it. They require a rope in every tree over 10' tall, even ones that have no chance of hitting a powerline. And brag about how they are actively trying to change the ANSI standard to every tree over 10' needs a rope.

Give it a few months and there will be a lot of burn salvage falling jobs open.

 

[KiwiBro]

Here's that tree/stump