Welcome to the Landing

[Mountainman]

Thanks, Pacific! Most folks on the East Coast have never heard of a Hayes or Pacific brand truck. It's a shame those two brands went under. Excellent pics!

 

[Pacific]

Hayes HDX trucks are still used in the bush here they are the best offroad logging truck built. The trucks pull a 40 ton capacity trailers Hayes made a larger truck but forestry doesn't allow them be used anymore because they don't want large roads built.

I posted the pictures to show you east coast loggers what steep terrian is you can see why skidders don't get used here

For areas where you can't build roads because the terrian is too steep Heli logging is used those big Air Crane helicopters are huge. At 1000 dollars per hour it is pretty expensive to heli log but if you got alot of timber in steep country you need todo it.

 

[jimmyq]

Anyone have a picture of a cutter/debarker/delimber in action? one of my buddies has talked about a machine of this sort but I cant seem to find a picture of one in action.

 

[Pacific]

Do you mean a dangle head where it limbs and trims they don't debark a debarker is a large fixed machine used in a log sort.

Dangle head

 

[jimmyq]

from what he described it sounded like a single machine. an attachment of sorts to the end of an excavator type machine arm, grabs the long, saws her off, turns the log horizontal and zips it through ripping the bark and the limbs off. I stand to be corrected if none such exists.

 

[Jacob J.]

Debarkers are used at mills. There's no call for one in the woods unless you're chipping on site for paper pulp stock. A stroke delimber does the same thing as a dangle-head processor but is faster and has a longer reach. A dangle head is good on small landings or working out of roadways because it doesn't have a huge turning radius.

 

[jimmyq]

thanks!

 

[Pacific]

There is a debarker at Pacific Custom Logsort on the Fraser River it is the only one I know of they peal the bark off the logs before they get shipped overseas.

 

[user 2993]

Pacific, we have plenty of steep terrain like that in Tennessee, but most of it was logged off many years ago. With mules!!
The second and third growth stuff that they cut now is usually winched to the top of a hill or ridge, then skidded down.

 

[Mountainman]

Hey Pacific, what do they use for engines and transmissions in those off-highway trucks? Any 5X4 two-sticks left?

 

[Pacific]

Those HDXs have a ranges of engines from V-12 Detroits with Allisions to Cummins Cat with Road Rangers to 5+4s all depends on the owner and how they fixed up the truck.

The old Detroit powered trucks are not used much its mostly Cummins power some have Cats.

I never driven one and I don't think I would want to when your hauling that much weight on steep grades with a bank on one side of the road and the other is a steep drop off its a tad scary.

They put some massive loads on those trucks your looking at close to double what a ordinary highway truck can carry.

Machines like Forwarders don't get used here on the Coast they can't carry enough I don't think they make a trailer for a forwarder that will carry 60-70' long sticks.

 

[Mountainman]

I'm talking with some folks in Ketchikan about coming up for at least a season and driving truck, and living at a camp. I have a feeling I'm going to go for it, but it doesn't pay much for the work involved. But paying cheap room and board at camp combined with no income tax should be a good way to save some serious money. I'll know more in a few weeks.

 

[Pacific]

If the camp is good you will gain 30lbs usually the food in logging camps etc is good the camps around here eat better food than I do here at home. Most camps are 10 days on 5 days off some are a month on week off all depends on what you are going todo.

You will have to get used to camp life because you do eat sleep and work plus you have money burning a hole in your pocket. If you are in a camp close to town where you can drive to its not bad you get into a remote camp where its a plane ride or a long boat ride you do feel trapped.

I never been in camps just heard about them I like going home every night.

 

[Mountainman]

The one outfit I have talked with so far works Mon. thru Sat, with Sundays off. And yes, I have heard the food is usually awesome. Makes sense to keep the morale good. If I decide to stick around, I will eventually look for a job where I can be home every night, but for now the camp option looks best.

And by the way, I cut my teeth on a 5X4 two-stick at age 15.

 

[Ryan Willock]

If the log is too heavy to lift with the loader and forks buy themselves then I take the standards out of their're pockets and hook a chain in each pocket (only remove standards from one side of truck!) then strech the chains out and skid the log parallel to the chains next roll the log on to the chains with the loader then take the end of each chain (remember one end is hooked in the pockets) and (in my case I welded clevis hooks on the apron of my forks) I hook the chain to the apron on the forks and lift it up. For me I can load a 12' 6'' x 50''diameter white pine log or a 14' 6''x 30'' red oak log on the truck in this manner. If the log is bigger than that then I put two ramps up in the pockets and winch it on the truck with the skidder.:angel:

 

[Pontius]

Ryan
That is a most excellant idea.
Jake

 

[Mountainman]

Something tells me Ryan is a second or third generation logger. And I mean that as a compliment.

 

[Dennis]

Ryan, I was out playing on the landing as well yesterday..fell a few trees...played on the excavator...skidded some firewood trees...but when we (I should say my buddy, cause I hardly ever go out there) get logs shipped, he just calls in the self loaders...Are there many of them around you? It is easier, and less time consuming than loading them yourself.

 

[tony marks]

i would agree u dont get where hes at without a lotto input real young..
under 25 doing what hes douing. yep its coming natural.. how bout a job ryan..
im pretty sober ,,show up every morning an such.. plus i could bring some real class to u operation.. im the fella that sets in the truck ,,with a grizzled look and a take care o buisiness whatever it is tude.. im just kidding bud im a soft touch to every bleedinh heart
around.. i can play the part tho ,,long as they aint no little dirty faces peeking out behind the door an such..

 

[Pacific]

I don't think self loaders are that common where Ryan is compared to they are are here in B.C. . He would need a chunk truck or a truck that hauls short wood something you would rarely see a truck like that here if the truck can't carry material shorter than 30' forget it.

In this area where I live there must be 10 selfloading logging trucks couple of them are tridems the rest are tandems there are quite a few straight logging trucks with pole trailers.

When ever short wood needs to be carried like 18' and less a tandem axle gravel truck gets used sure you have to make more trips but it works. Pretty easy to toss the logs into the truck with a excavator the bucket and hydraulic thumb. The good short wood is usually bought by the portable bandsaw mill guys (woodmizers) the rest of it is firewood.

I don't know how anybody could do logging without a excavator most of the small stuff you push over with the machine buck the stump off limb it and stack it. A EX150 Hitachi can pick and man handle most of the logs I have watched a EX-60 do it but the machine stuggles.

The local bandsaw mill guys really don't like skidded wood if its too dirty they won't buy it the dirt kills bandsaw blades. It is time consuming cleaning the dirt off of the wood the one mill I worked at every log got power washed.