whadja do today?

[ropensaddle]

That's the thing, Here you have to work in the wind or you don't work. It's kind of like deer hunting. I always hated hunting on windy days. Deer don't move much in a lot of parts of the country in high winds. Here you have to hunt in the wind or you don't hunt. Deer are accustomed to it and don't effect their movement much. You just got to learn to use the wind to your advantage. Same with trees.

I will typically work in winds up to 25 MPH. 10-20 is about average. 30 MPH is getting up there. I'd rather not work in it but will if I absolutely have to. 40 MPH and I'm packing it in.

Yup I know it is wendy throwout OK,Kansas Neb,even Tex but it seems evertime I stop at Durant and get out for my fuel stop I am about blown down. Prolly the only time it is not windy is when its 200 degrees in the shade

 

[tree md]

I've heard this comment many times but I hear it from mostly men who have been in trees they're whole lives. I imagine that the tree business is a lucrative business and should be attractive to young entrepreneurs. If they can operate it successfully, provide a quality product and learn about the industry then why should that be a negative experience? I never understood this line of thinking. I was young when I started being involved with trees but have only climbed a handful of times my entire life. I have a great education to thank for that.

Just as with any discipline, there are those that get out and do and those that stay in and teach. Not knocking either but it is what it is.

 

[tree md]

LOL, I'd say weather you are hucking limbs off a roof or measuring decay with your mass spectrometer, your still a tree guy... :greenchainsaw:

 

[ropensaddle]

I've heard this comment many times but I hear it from mostly men who have been in trees they're whole lives. I imagine that the tree business is a lucrative business and should be attractive to young entrepreneurs. If they can operate it successfully, provide a quality product and learn about the industry then why should that be a negative experience? I never understood this line of thinking. I was young when I started being involved with trees but have only climbed a handful of times my entire life. I have a great education to thank for that.

Thats because you have not earned their respect. Many people in your position see fear of losing their job as respect but the two are very different. I could take four men and give you four who do you think will run a more efficient and safe crew? Who do you think will be more adversely spoke of behind their back? Who would make them want to learn this business the most?

 

[Legit_Arborist]

Boy, I'd sure say you chose the wrong line of work if that's how you feel...

And as for what is a legit arborist:

An arborist, or (less commonly) arboriculturalist, is a professional in the practice of arboriculture, which is the cultivation, management, and study of individual trees, shrubs, vines, and other perennial woody plants.

That is the definition of an arborist...I was asked about what makes one legitimate. It's interesting that the "study of" portion of your definition is very poo-poo'd by many "climbing" arborists.

 

[Legit_Arborist]

Thats because you have not earned their respect. Many people in your position see fear of losing their job as respect but the two are very different. I could take four men and give you four who do you think will run a more efficient and safe crew? Who do you think will be more adversely spoke of behind their back? Who would make them want to learn this business the most?

I have no idea as I am not in the business of runnig crews. I work for a research facility in San Diego as a facilities manager and happen to be an arborist as well. I assume you would be better at that than I. I wonder who would be better at managing an urban forest and performing risk assessment, tree appraisal and expert witness....I believe I may have the upper hand in that scenario my friend.

 

[tree md]

That is the definition of an arborist...I was asked about what makes one legitimate. It's interesting that the "study of" portion of your definition is very poo-poo'd by many "climbing" arborists.

Not by me, I'm reading Shigo in another tab of my browser as I flip back and forth from here. I'd say most who have made this their life and livelihood never stop studying or learning. Some of us actually do the work and try to teach along the way.

 

[ddhlakebound]

That is the definition of an arborist...I was asked about what makes one legitimate. It's interesting that the "study of" portion of your definition is very poo-poo'd by many "climbing" arborists.

Well, since you did name yourself that, it seems to be a very fair question.

And your answer is?

 

[Legit_Arborist]

You are a #####. The word begins with P and ends in Y

TreeManDan....have you considered the possibility that I might be a woman? Maybe a good reason to remain anonymous I'd say. Especially with an :censored: as great as mine.

I'll let you think about your assumptions.

 

[tree md]

And I never heard of Dr. Alex Shigo poo pooing anyone for being a tree guy either. On the contrary, he seemed to treat them quite affectionately and enjoyed teaching them or so it would appear.

 

[Legit_Arborist]

Well, since you did name yourself that, it seems to be a very fair question.

And your answer is?

I have already posted one. Observation skills....low score.:monkey:

 

[Legit_Arborist]

Not by me, I'm reading Shigo in another tab of my browser as I flip back and forth from here. I'd say most who have made this their life and livelihood never stop studying or learning. Some of us actually do the work and try to teach along the way.

Big Shigo Fan. Much bigger Gilman fan now.

 

[ropensaddle]

I have no idea as I am not in the business of runnig crews. I work for a research facility in San Diego as a facilities manager and happen to be an arborist as well. I assume you would be better at that than I. I wonder who would be better at managing an urban forest and performing risk assessment, tree appraisal and expert witness....I believe I may have the upper hand in that scenario my friend.

Why because you say you a legit Arborist? I could do just as good maybe better because I know where the book stops and the work begins. Many times arborist book only don't understand what their decision will play out as after their management begins. I have seen it before experience combined with education is definitely far superior to education only. Also expert witness for whose agenda?

 

[tree md]

I've heard this comment many times but I hear it from mostly men who have been in trees they're whole lives. I imagine that the tree business is a lucrative business and should be attractive to young entrepreneurs. If they can operate it successfully, provide a quality product and learn about the industry then why should that be a negative experience? I never understood this line of thinking. I was young when I started being involved with trees but have only climbed a handful of times my entire life. I have a great education to thank for that.

So you think there is nothing you could learn from a guy who has spent his whole life in trees??? I'd say that that is pretty presumptuous.

 

[ropensaddle]

So you think there is nothing you could learn from a guy who has spent his whole life in trees??? I'd say that that is pretty presumptuous.

I have seen it too many times, they know all lol, the first thing person should learn is, there is always something to learn. The usual thing that separates a working man from a manager is a rich daddy. I will say some have done it the hard way but the time it takes to get an education, who is paying the bills? That is why I don't have a horticulture degree, bills = no time. I suppose if I would have been more motivated in high school and won a scholarship, at least the tuition would have been paid but I really did not know what I wanted to be then and chicks by the twenty's were such a distraction:monkey:

 

[treeclimber101]

I have no idea as I am not in the business of runnig crews. I work for a research facility in San Diego as a facilities manager and happen to be an arborist as well. I assume you would be better at that than I. I wonder who would be better at managing an urban forest and performing risk assessment, tree appraisal and expert witness....I believe I may have the upper hand in that scenario my friend.

Oh so your that guy , not a tree cop but someone who will have no problem nailing a tree guys :censored: to the wall , expert witness I guess, to me your kind are nothing better than the :censored: I scrape off my boots..And for your employer as well , you have now infested our occupation and that will certainly translate well to the real tree guys here who know your kind.

 

[jefflovstrom]

Big Shigo Fan. Much bigger Gilman fan now.

I agree, Gilman is fun to listen to! Good guy!
Jeff

 

[tree md]

All I've got to say is there is only so much you can learn from a lab or classroom.

Hey you're a Shigo fan: "touch trees".

 

[ddhlakebound]

I have already posted one. Observation skills....low score.:monkey:

I fully observed your evasion, which did nothing to legitimize your legitimacy.

Legit_Arborist is a catchy name...just like your name and many others in here. Legit = Legitimate.

go to www.urbantreecare.com and you'll find the pic you're looking for. You'll need to search the site for it. Happy trails.

your "answer"

Edit....Ok, I found your answer later in the same thread I linked, my apologies.

 

[tree md]

Jeff just needs a horned helmet and a fur shirt and he'd look just like Eric the Viking... :hmm3grin2orange: