whadja do today?

[TreeTarget]

So you had it hard and seems like you hung in there and now better for it. I bet your resume is better for your troubles. Now thats respect for ya. I bet you would make a great boss to guys coming up in the ranks!
Jeff

Don't (didn't) want(ed) to be, never aspire(d) to be, won't try my hand at being a boss...I like where I'm at. But thank you, and don't believe in resumes ever since I ran out of paper...

 

[TreeTarget]

All I've got to say is there is only so much you can learn from a lab or classroom.

Hey you're a Shigo fan: "touch trees".

Amen

 

[ropensaddle]

This all makes me think of Bah Bah blacksheep and gets me feeling like a heavy set plane mechanic

 

[jefflovstrom]

I went to photographer today!
Jeff

 

[treeclimber101]

Jeff just needs a horned helmet and a fur shirt and he'd look just like Eric the Viking... :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[jefflovstrom]

Stewie- us is funny!!!! HaHa!
Jeff

 

[Legit_Arborist]

So you think there is nothing you could learn from a guy who has spent his whole life in trees??? I'd say that that is pretty presumptuous.

Where did I say that? I don't recall saying that anywhere. You are assuming that I think tree-workers have nothing to share with me...I depend on your skills to substantiate my research. What is your problem?

 

[Legit_Arborist]

Oh so your that guy , not a tree cop but someone who will have no problem nailing a tree guys :censored: to the wall , expert witness I guess, to me your kind are nothing better than the :censored: I scrape off my boots..And for your employer as well , you have now infested our occupation and that will certainly translate well to the real tree guys here who know your kind.

This is to RopenadSaddle and TreeMD as well...you guys really are taking my posts far beyond what's actually in my posts. You all have been very critical of research and book knowledge in trees and I've never once said a negative thing about tree workers. FYI...I do touch the trees and it's not for hugs. I don't understand what the negativity is all about...

Treecclimber101...you're a fool. Is that the best you can come up with. Maybe a book or a dictionary or something with intelligible language might assist you from sounding like a complete ass. You know...if it weren't for researchers...you knuckleheads would still be climbing into Armillaria infested trees only to be crushed by them when they uproot while you're in the upper canopy working. Your respect for research is much more disrespectful than my lack of mechanical tree work experience.

 

[Legit_Arborist]

Amen

You're idiots. You are proving that you don't know the first thing about tree research. How can you perform research if you don't touch the trees? Where are your brains guys? How about removing those rectal implants and getting your heads out of your butts?

 

[TreeTarget]

You're idiots. You are proving that you don't know the first thing about tree research. How can you perform research if you don't touch the trees? Where are your brains guys? How about removing those rectal implants and getting your heads out of your butts?

If someone were to remove my implant...woe unto humanity...

...t'wernt those bug-eyed freaks what were landed back of the holler, was it? Oh, hell, you got alien junk about yuns..Git back!!!!

 

[ropensaddle]

This is to RopenadSaddle and TreeMD as well...you guys really are taking my posts far beyond what's actually in my posts. You all have been very critical of research and book knowledge in trees and I've never once said a negative thing about tree workers. FYI...I do touch the trees and it's not for hugs. I don't understand what the negativity is all about...

Treecclimber101...you're a fool. Is that the best you can come up with. Maybe a book or a dictionary or something with intelligible language might assist you from sounding like a complete ass. You know...if it weren't for researchers...you knuckleheads would still be climbing into Armillaria infested trees only to be crushed by them when they uproot while you're in the upper canopy working. Your respect for research is much more disrespectful than my lack of mechanical tree work experience.

And you are respectfully entitled to your opinion. I've known enough "tree guys" to know I don't want to know too many more involuntarily.

TreeVet...I absolutely respect your desire to do so. Based on my line of work and the degree in which vendors continually barrage me with requests for RFP's and the like, I choose to remain anonymous. I am also involved in policing the industry and am heavily invested in TCIA and ISA. I believe in the standards and codes of ethics that surpass only "on the job" professionalism.

With that said, I hope you can understand why I choose to remain anonymous.

First you assume that you are Dr Shigo your not. Second you assume that we can't without your help be safe climbing or diagnosing Armillaria infested trees without your reaserch. You say you have been an arborist involved for 15 years and I say ok, so where were you 13 years prior when I was climbing trees with 20 to 30% green left in the base?
Then you come in with your tree cop and code of ethics crap and say we are critical of your research more than you are of our mechanical tree experience.
Now for one, you say is all we here, we don't even know your qualifications, what we do know is that, you have limited if any aerial time, don't like or want to talk with real climbing arborists, enjoy thinking your somehow superior even when you don't know whether who your talking to has credentials or not. I say, if your who you think you are you better not die, as we will all be in jeapordy. This is one of the reasons I wish mandatory tree experience was a requirement for CA. I also know many great researchers would have not been involved and can respect their contribution to our industry,however if their mindset was like yours seems to be toward practicing arborists, I would feel the industry better off without it. Maybe somewhere in you research you might entertain the fact that you are not the only one who does or strives to learn all they can in our industry. If you truly are what your name says and are basically a scientist great for you. What it truly says is what I have been enlightening you on. Legit is pampas,it says to everyone woooooooooooooo look at me, I am what arborist means and all the rest are merely my instruments. I say get over yourself, better men and women have gone before you in this industry and many more aspiring and working toward it as we speak.

 

[outofmytree]

Welcome to fight club legitarborist.

When you take a username like yours, you give others a perception of who you think you are. In my opinion, you fail to meet the basic criteria for MY personal definition of an arborist. To me, an arborist is a working professional in the care and maintenance of trees in an urban setting. Pruning, feeding, mulching, assessing and removing. The emphasis being on working professional.

Allow me to expand on that. 25 years ago I completed an appreticeship in sheetmetal work. Were I today, with little or no practise on the tools of my former trade, to enter a workshop and tell the guys "hey you are making that stainless steel bench top all wrong" I would get kicked out with a flea in my ear and deservedly so. The trade has moved on and I have not. My skills have atrophied and their's are fresh.

I have taken the time to read a number of your posts and IMHO your approach has been confrontational. Thats my opinion mind you, not a fact. Here is another opinion. If a person in real life were to get in my face regarding my skills, knowledge, ethics or business acumen they would need either a large dose of local anaesthetic or a really good pair of running shoes. I am passionate about my trade and resent being told, especially by someone who hides behind a mask of anonymity, that I need to "improve".

My Mother used to say "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar". This is advice you would do well to follow.

Oh and one more thing. Bermie is one of my favourite posters on this forum and she is a lady, a climber and a working arborist. She is also, like myself, a strong advocate for controversial subjects such as increased job site safety and industry regulation. She doesnt see the need to hide.

 

[Legit_Arborist]

First you assume that you are Dr Shigo your not. Second you assume that we can't without your help be safe climbing or diagnosing Armillaria infested trees without your reaserch. You say you have been an arborist involved for 15 years and I say ok, so where were you 13 years prior when I was climbing trees with 20 to 30% green left in the base?
Then you come in with your tree cop and code of ethics crap and say we are critical of your research more than you are of our mechanical tree experience.
Now for one, you say is all we here, we don't even know your qualifications, what we do know is that, you have limited if any aerial time, don't like or want to talk with real climbing arborists, enjoy thinking your somehow superior even when you don't know whether who your talking to has credentials or not. I say, if your who you think you are you better not die, as we will all be in jeapordy. This is one of the reasons I wish mandatory tree experience was a requirement for CA. I also know many great researchers would have not been involved and can respect their contribution to our industry,however if their mindset was like yours seems to be toward practicing arborists, I would feel the industry better off without it. Maybe somewhere in you research you might entertain the fact that you are not the only one who does or strives to learn all they can in our industry. If you truly are what your name says and are basically a scientist great for you. What it truly says is what I have been enlightening you on. Legit is pampas,it says to everyone woooooooooooooo look at me, I am what arborist means and all the rest are merely my instruments. I say get over yourself, better men and women have gone before you in this industry and many more aspiring and working toward it as we speak.

So funny!!!!!!! You are such a fool.:monkey:

 

[EdenT]

Reminds me of someone....

Know it all. Antagonistic. Outrageous vanity. Winning personality, (not). Ability to make enemies anywhere instantly. Use of the monkey emoticon.

You two have got to meet!

Leg it (alleged) Arborist, there are other places for people like you!

 

[outofmytree]

So funny!!!!!!! You are such a fool.:monkey:

Neg repped for this foolish response. Rope doesnt need me or anyone else to stand up for him but once again I say, you are hiding legitarborist. Show your bonafides as posters like rope have. Show your photographs of work, your videos of skills and you may sway peoples opinions. Stand in the shadows and cast aspersions at men and women who have demonstrated their abilities and commitment to the craft I love and you will be outcast. If you really believe in raising the standards of Arboriculture you will find a way to express yourself better. Unless of course you are another troll.......

 

[outofmytree]

Know it all. Antagonistic. Outrageous vanity. Winning personality, (not). Ability to make enemies anywhere instantly. Use of the monkey emoticon.

You two have got to meet!

Leg it (alleged) Arborist, there are other places for people like you!

OMG OMG OMG.

I agree 100% If it smeels like dogsh1t, looks like dogsh1t and sounds like dogsh1t it is probably Ekka. Or Jayd.

 

[Legit_Arborist]

Welcome to fight club legitarborist.

When you take a username like yours, you give others a perception of who you think you are. In my opinion, you fail to meet the basic criteria for MY personal definition of an arborist. To me, an arborist is a working professional in the care and maintenance of trees in an urban setting. Pruning, feeding, mulching, assessing and removing. The emphasis being on working professional.

Allow me to expand on that. 25 years ago I completed an appreticeship in sheetmetal work. Were I today, with little or no practise on the tools of my former trade, to enter a workshop and tell the guys "hey you are making that stainless steel bench top all wrong" I would get kicked out with a flea in my ear and deservedly so. The trade has moved on and I have not. My skills have atrophied and their's are fresh.

I have taken the time to read a number of your posts and IMHO your approach has been confrontational. Thats my opinion mind you, not a fact. Here is another opinion. If a person in real life were to get in my face regarding my skills, knowledge, ethics or business acumen they would need either a large dose of local anaesthetic or a really good pair of running shoes. I am passionate about my trade and resent being told, especially by someone who hides behind a mask of anonymity, that I need to "improve".

My Mother used to say "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar". This is advice you would do well to follow.

Oh and one more thing. Bermie is one of my favourite posters on this forum and she is a lady, a climber and a working arborist. She is also, like myself, a strong advocate for controversial subjects such as increased job site safety and industry regulation. She doesnt see the need to hide.

First of all...I'm not a woman...I said that to knucklehead simply to throw him off and hopefully cause him to think about how he talks to people he doesn't know. What if I was a woman and he called me a P***Y? That'd be pretty offensive...I'd imagine he probably wouldn't care anyway.

About being confrontational...look at my original post. I commented inquisitively on one of JeffLovstrums posts and he shot an attak back at me and then called me a troll. He thinks I'm someone in commercial arboriculture I guess but I'm not any of the people he thinks I am. I remain anonymous because it shouldn't matter who I am...I was told this was a good website to learn about commercial arboriculture and see what tree workers are talking about. I was first attacked and thought the attack was pretty lame...so I shot back and it became a bomb throwing contest...re-read the genesis of these posts.

Your definition of an arborist is not a standard defenition...it's YOUR defenition. ISA obviously does not feel the need for an arborist to have field experience insofar as climbing is concerned...the Certiied Tree Worker credential does. So what's the problem. I'm not a tree worker but I work with trees. I happen to know a lot about trees as well...so what's the problem. I'm no Shigo and never claimed to be....I don't understand where all the heat is coming from other than a bunch of guys jumping to their buddy's defense and making wild assumptions about my perspective on tree workers.

 

[EdenT]

First of all...I'm not a woman...I said that to knucklehead simply to throw him off and hopefully cause him to think about how he talks to people he doesn't know. What if I was a woman and he called me a P***Y? That'd be pretty offensive...I'd imagine he probably wouldn't care anyway.

Use of vernacular. Confirmed.

Why would a woman be offended by being called a pansy? If you called Bermie a pansy she would just laugh.......as she fired up her 66.

Now if you were gay, then.....

 

[outofmytree]

First of all...I'm not a woman...I said that to knucklehead simply to throw him off and hopefully cause him to think about how he talks to people he doesn't know. What if I was a woman and he called me a P***Y? That'd be pretty offensive...I'd imagine he probably wouldn't care anyway.

About being confrontational...look at my original post. I commented inquisitively on one of JeffLovstrums posts and he shot an attak back at me and then called me a troll. He thinks I'm someone in commercial arboriculture I guess but I'm not any of the people he thinks I am. I remain anonymous because it shouldn't matter who I am...I was told this was a good website to learn about commercial arboriculture and see what tree workers are talking about. I was first attacked and thought the attack was pretty lame...so I shot back and it became a bomb throwing contest...re-read the genesis of these posts.

This is simply a LIE. Your #1 post was critical and aimed at Jeff as was your #2. You necromanced a 6 month old post to life to do this.

This forum is a good place to ask questions to learn. It is also a good place to pick a fight and then get your ass handed to you on a plate.

Your definition of an arborist is not a standard defenition...it's YOUR defenition.

In my opinion, you fail to meet the basic criteria for MY personal definition of an arborist. To me, an arborist is a working professional in the care and maintenance of trees in an urban setting. Pruning, feeding, mulching, assessing and removing. The emphasis being on working professional.

Yees, I said it was MY opinion. I also managed to spell definition correctly.

So what's the problem. I'm not a tree worker but I work with trees. I happen to know a lot about trees as well...so what's the problem.

The problem is exactly as I have defined it previously. Come on to ARBORISTsite claiming to be legit (which in psychological terms suggest others are not) and picking fights with posters who have proven their bona fides, whilst hiding your own is self defeating. If you have a genuine point of view rather than simply trolling for a fight then express it along with your evidence of skills/knowledge/work/experience.

Otherwise expect to be treated as a troll.

 

[tree md]

And you are respectfully entitled to your opinion. I've known enough "tree guys" to know I don't want to know too many more involuntarily.

I've heard this comment many times but I hear it from mostly men who have been in trees they're whole lives. I imagine that the tree business is a lucrative business and should be attractive to young entrepreneurs. If they can operate it successfully, provide a quality product and learn about the industry then why should that be a negative experience? I never understood this line of thinking. I was young when I started being involved with trees but have only climbed a handful of times my entire life. I have a great education to thank for that.

This as well as other statements you have made have rubbed me wrong. It's condescending and gives the impression that you think your are somehow of a better ilk than mere mortal "tree guys". Dude, this is the "commercial tree work and climbing" forum. Odds are you are going to run into some tree guys here. If you hold us "tree guys" is such disdain then my come here looking for an argument.

I also wasn't crazy about your "policing the industry" comment and then not disclose who you are. I mean, what are you? The secret tree police?

That being said, I really have nothing against you. You are coming off as arrogant and it rubbed me the wrong way, nothing more, nothing less.

There are many very educated arborist here that I have great respect for. Treeseer and SMC come to mind. I enjoy having both of them here as a resource to ask questions and learn from. There are also some highly skilled climbers who I appreciate having around here. Too many to list. Don't talk down to the group and you may earn my respect as many educated arborists around here have. If you are indeed a "Legit Arborist"

I don't necessarily subscribe to the gang mentality that I have often seen around here. I really don't like to be rude to people and arguing with someone and trading insults over the internet is futile and ignorant in my opinion. And as you can see, I don't resort to neg repping someone. Never have neg repped anyone around here. I don't pay a lot of attention to all the gold stars under someone's name. A lot of people that I respect the most around here have very little or no gold stars under their name.