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Is oil renewable?

Oh yeah, who is it you work for?
Corn isn't renewable either when one figures in the mechanization to plant and harvest, all the petro chemicals herbicides/pestacides and the fact it takes a huge amount of nitrogen based fertilizers which are made from fossil fuels.
And I don't work for big oil. I work for a AG company that happens to own its own refineries. They own some ethanol plants as well, ferrltilizer plants, sell seed, and of course diesel to plant/harvest and propane to dry it. Corporate loves ethanol!
 
What would you have us do with the soil?

By the way remind me, who is it you work for?
Before corn ethanol most everyone planted at least one and often more years of soybeans between corn crops to recharge the soil with nitrogen.
Now they just pour the fertilizer to it and plant corn every year.
 

How the Wrong Fuel Can Damage Your Power Equipment​


1/25/23
Grainger Editorial Staff








The same fuel you put in your car isn’t always safe for your lawn mower, generator and other outdoor equipment. Using gasoline with more than 10 percent ethanol may be cheaper, but it can permanently damage small engine components.
A 2020 study by the Outdoor Power Equipment Institute (OPEI) found that 20 percent of people were misfuelling their outdoor power equipment and one-quarter reported using the wrong fuel in the past. After the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) granted an emergency fuel waiver in 2022 to help reduce fuel shortages by allowing sales of E15 gasoline during May-September when it’s typically banned, it became even more critical for farmers, contractors and other business owners to consider how they are fueling their power equipment.

The Downside of E15 Fuel

Most of the gasoline sold throughout the United States contains some ethanol. While ethanol fuel offers several environmental and economic advantages for cars, it’s a different story when it comes to fueling power equipment.
According to Popular Mechanics, the small engines found in outdoor equipment weren’t designed to deal with ethanol blends like E15 or higher. Ethanol-blended fuel can cause two-stroke engines to run hotter, corroding rubber and certain metals and damaging fuel lines and other critical engine parts. Ethanol can also pull water vapor out of the air causing separation inside fuel tanks. Since outdoor power equipment does not get used year-round, moisture can settle at the bottom of the tank, clogging pumps, filters, fuel lines and other components, causing equipment to run poorly and leading to costly repair work.
It's primarily for this reason that the EPA has not approved E15 fuel for use in outdoor power equipment like chainsaws, snow blowers, lawnmowers, string trimmers and generators. To help protect your equipment, it’s important to use E10 gasoline containing 10% ethanol or less.

Avoiding Confusion at the Pump

Thanks to a wide variety of fueling options, knowing which fuel to use for your equipment can be difficult. Some gas stations market E15 gas as 88 octane or offer other fuel blends like E85, E30 or E50 designed for use in flexible fuel vehicles (FFVs). Understanding what the different labels mean is a critical step in ensuring you are properly fueling your equipment. Some of the options include:
  • E10 – Up to 10% ethanol blended with 90% unleaded gasoline, sometimes labeled Unleaded 87 or 87 octane
  • E15 – Up to 15% ethanol blended with 85% unleaded gasoline, sometimes labeled Unleaded 88 or 88 octane
  • E30 – 30% ethanol blended with 70% gasoline
  • E20 – 20% ethanol blended with 80% gasoline
  • E50 – 50% ethanol blended with 50% gasoline
  • E85 or FlexFuel – Fuel mixture containing 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline

6 Tips to Protect Power Equipment

1. Know Your Equipment

Always check your owner’s manual for fuel requirements to understand which fuel is right for your equipment. Never assume that a fuel safe for your car is also safe for your power equipment.

2. Check Before Fueling

Avoid choosing fuel based solely on price. Check the ethanol content before pumping to ensure it’s the right fuel for your engine. Always ensure you select the correct gasoline for your specific type of engine to help protect your power equipment.

3. Avoid High Ethanol Fuel Blends

Using fuel with more than 10 percent ethanol in outdoor power equipment can damage or destroy their small engines. Several engine manufacturers have also warned using fuel with more than 10% ethanol, like E15 or E85, can cause permanent and irreversible damage to outdoor equipment that’s not covered under warranty.

4. Use Fuel Stabilizer

Small, gas-powered engines like those in lawn mowers and snow blowers often sit for months without use. Fuel left in these engines – even the correct fuel – can begin to break down, leading to condensation that can corrode parts. Using a fuel stabilizer is important to help prevent corrosion and extend fuel life. Without a fuel stabilizer, most fuel begins to degrade in approximately 30 days.

5. Consider Canned Ethanol-Free Fuel

One way to help prevent ethanol’s damaging effects is using an ethanol-free fuel source designed for small engines. Most small-engine manufacturers make canned fuels containing zero ethanol.

6. Use Approved Fuel Containers to Avoid Stale Fuel

Avoid storing fuel in containers with open or leaking spouts. Leaking fuel containers are a fire safety hazard and can quickly turn fuel stale. Make sure to store in a cool, dry place and use only approved self-venting fuel cans with “no spill” self-sealing spouts. Always shake the fuel container for 30 seconds just prior to filling your equipment. This helps reduce moisture and ensures the fuel is mixed properly.




Frequently Asked Questions​


Q: What is the best type of fuel to use in my outdoor power equipment?

A: Always check the owner’s manual to ensure you use the right fuel for your equipment. Small engine manufacturers typically recommend using fresh fuel with a minimum of 87 octane or gasoline with 10% ethanol or less in power equipment.

Q: Why shouldn’t I use E15 gasoline in my lawn mower and other equipment?

A: The EPA has not approved E15 gasoline for use in lawn mowers, chainsaws and other small-engine equipment. Most outdoor power equipment was not designed, built, or warrantied to run on fuel with more than 10% ethanol.

Q: What should I do if I put the wrong fuel in my equipment?

A: If a piece of equipment was accidentally fueled with gasoline containing more than 10% ethanol, you may need to have a professional flush the fuel system.
 
Nothing is wrong with GMO seeds...corn was originally a grass. Seems it's been through some GM since then.
You don't understand what GMO is then. My undergraduate degree was in Biochemistry.

They fabricated genes, inserted them into corn, so they could saturate corn fields with roundup/glyphosate to kill EVERY thing else and the corn would still grow. Monsanto who held the patent on Roundup until recently, held the patent on the corn seed also.

Monsanto does not have the public's best interests in mind, they are only motivated by profit/greed.
 
I am looking for a real life example not a liberal egg head government taxpayer paid for study.
How about this for a "real life example" . Mowing my lawn uses up 1.1 gallons of pump gas with ethanol, and a little over .8 gallons on mogas. And my car gets ~15% better mileage when I use ethanol free. I keep track.
 
You don't understand what GMO is then. My undergraduate degree was in Biochemistry.

They fabricated genes, inserted them into corn, so they could saturate corn fields with roundup/glyphosate to kill EVERY thing else and the corn would still grow. Monsanto who held the patent on Roundup until recently, held the patent on the corn seed also.

Monsanto does not have the public's best interests in mind, they are only motivated by profit/greed.
That, boys and girls, if a fact.….married to an environmental researcher with 30yrs in the field…she is not a fan of Monsanto…many stories that will have to wait for statutes of limitations to run out…
 
You don't understand what GMO is then. My undergraduate degree was in Biochemistry.

They fabricated genes, inserted them into corn, so they could saturate corn fields with roundup/glyphosate to kill EVERY thing else and the corn would still grow. Monsanto who held the patent on Roundup until recently, held the patent on the corn seed also.

Monsanto does not have the public's best interests in mind, they are only motivated by profit/greed.
All company's are motivated by profit. And I am well aware of what was done to make round up ready corn.
What's not often mentioned is glyphosate is about the most benign herbicide available. Before glyphosate herbicides were still used on corn and they were much worse.
 
It is also good for.....

1. Supporting hard working farmers.
2. Providing good paying US jobs
3. Providing a renewable fuel source that can be GROWN IN THE USA
4.. Keeping our great country out of foreign wars to fight for oil
5. SAVING LIVES!!!!! from unneeded wars.


By all means carry on
Hopefully, your comment is satire... Let me clarify a bit

1. Supporting US Farmers..
Not correct, remember I farm (unlike you obviously)
E-corn is a specialized hybrid seed, not just common field corn and distillers specify what varieties they want planted and it's not cheap either plus e-corn is grown on contract and cannot be sold except to a distiller at a pre determine price (also know as a contract price), let me just say, I don't plant or grow any, never will...

2. Providing good paying US Jobs...
Maybe. If distiller had to exist with government subsidies to pay well and maintain their plants, they'd all go tits up. Corn alcohol (ethanol alcohol is and always been a net looser. It takes at least 2 times the energy to produce one gallon of corn alcohol compared to what the alcohol produces in energy obtained...

3. Providing a renewable fuel source that can be grown in the USA
Maybe again. What you need to do is investigate who actually owns the distillation plants and the percentage of foreign investors versus domestic ones...

4.. Keeping our great country out of foreign wars to fight for oil
This country is not so great today but then if you are a Biden wannabe and a democrat, maybe. I'm not. We will always be involved in foreign wars as American likens itself to the world's babysitter, always has been that way, will continue that way. You pay your taxes (hopefully) and then the administration pisses it away and you have no choice. We can be energy independent, however, this administration won't allow it. World politics is at play here and why we need to get rid of the assholes in Washington, for the most part.

5. SAVING LIVES!!!!! from unneeded wars.
My only comment to that is: You must be on drugs are sniffing ethanol gas a lot (it stinks).

The only thing e-gas does is screw up your fuel system (eventually) in small engines if you don't take the necessary storage precautions in advance, like adding Marine Stabil or some other elixir to prevent phase separation. You cars don't mind because you consume it quickly (so long as the fuel lines are not impacted by the corn alcohol)

Fact: Corn alcohol cannot be transmitted via pipeline, It has to be added at the loading rack into the pure gas at a graduated amount to yield 10% ethanol and that is why I won't use it in a small engine because you have no idea if it's really 10% or more or less, depending on how much is mixed in. The way the corn liquor is delivered to refineries is by dedicated rail cars or via dedicated trucks. It must be hauled in specially lined tanks as it will corrode normal steel tanks eventually.


You need to do your homework before making claims you cannot substantiate. Like I state, must either be satire or you are FOS, but then living in Illinois under Pritzgers rules, I expect no less.
 
Hopefully, your comment is satire... Let me clarify a bit

1. Supporting US Farmers..
Not correct, remember I farm (unlike you obviously)
E-corn is a specialized hybrid seed, not just common field corn and distillers specify what varieties they want planted and it's not cheap either plus e-corn is grown on contract and cannot be sold except to a distiller at a pre determine price (also know as a contract price), let me just say, I don't plant or grow any, never will...

2. Providing good paying US Jobs...
Maybe. If distiller had to exist with government subsidies to pay well and maintain their plants, they'd all go tits up. Corn alcohol (ethanol alcohol is and always been a net looser. It takes at least 2 times the energy to produce one gallon of corn alcohol compared to what the alcohol produces in energy obtained...

3. Providing a renewable fuel source that can be grown in the USA
Maybe again. What you need to do is investigate who actually owns the distillation plants and the percentage of foreign investors versus domestic ones...

4.. Keeping our great country out of foreign wars to fight for oil
This country is not so great today but then if you are a Biden wannabe and a democrat, maybe. I'm not. We will always be involved in foreign wars as American likens itself to the world's babysitter, always has been that way, will continue that way. You pay your taxes (hopefully) and then the administration pisses it away and you have no choice. We can be energy independent, however, this administration won't allow it. World politics is at play here and why we need to get rid of the assholes in Washington, for the most part.

5. SAVING LIVES!!!!! from unneeded wars.
My only comment to that is: You must be on drugs are sniffing ethanol gas a lot (it stinks).

The only thing e-gas does is screw up your fuel system (eventually) in small engines if you don't take the necessary storage precautions in advance, like adding Marine Stabil or some other elixir to prevent phase separation. You cars don't mind because you consume it quickly (so long as the fuel lines are not impacted by the corn alcohol)

Fact: Corn alcohol cannot be transmitted via pipeline, It has to be added at the loading rack into the pure gas at a graduated amount to yield 10% ethanol and that is why I won't use it in a small engine because you have no idea if it's really 10% or more or less, depending on how much is mixed in. The way the corn liquor is delivered to refineries is by dedicated rail cars or via dedicated trucks. It must be hauled in specially lined tanks as it will corrode normal steel tanks eventually.


You need to do your homework before making claims you cannot substantiate. Like I state, must either be satire or you are FOS, but then living in Illinois under Pritzgers rules, I expect no less.
Good post.
In addition to your point #1. Much of corn growers for the ethanol plants are big corporate outfits, not family farmers.
 
All company's are motivated by profit. And I am well aware of what was done to make round up ready corn.
What's not often mentioned is glyphosate is about the most benign herbicide available. Before glyphosate herbicides were still used on corn and they were much worse.
You claim GM was same as selective breeding which gave us corn, not me.

You don't need glyphosate to grow corn, nor GMO seeds. If you did how was corn grown in "corn belt" ca 1900-1980?
 
You claim GM was same as selective breeding which gave us corn, not me.

You don't need glyphosate to grow corn, nor GMO seeds. If you did how was corn grown in "corn belt" ca 1900-1980?
It's still genetic modification.. just the methods are different.

It was grown with lots of herbicides that were worse than Roundup.
 
LOL you can't be serious. Run a tank of E10-E15, check mpg. Then refill with E0 and compare. It will be higher.

Secondarily you could perform some calorimeter or other thermal analysis on the energy capacity.

E10 sucks.
Yes you definitely see a significant drop in mileage and horsepower from E-10 or E-15, I personally have done several tests on pre-2010 model year vehicles and seen on average a 7.5% drop in mileage using E-10 and a 13% drop using E-15 when compared to E-0 fuel.. in some vehicles/engines the % drop in mileage is actually higher than the % of ethanol in the fuel! It has been thoroughly proven that ethanol is far less energy-dense than gasoline.
 
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