MasterBlaster
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Youse guys eating paranoid biscuits for breakfast?
When you see a climber fall .....
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Youse guys eating paranoid biscuits for breakfast?
Stumper
One Man Band
Naw Butch,-You aren't scaring us . Your set-up on the question was just classic Troll. That really isn't such a bad thing. We've had some good stuff spring from taking trolled bait. There is a big difference though when comparing a member's question about "How can I approach this tree that I'm supposed to do tomorrow...This is the situation......" and "How do you rescue a falling climber who doesn't have a chainbrake on his saw which he uses while spiking prunes while climbing unsecured and not wearing a brain bucket."
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
Originally posted by Stumper
"How do you rescue a falling climber who doesn't have a chainbrake on his saw which he uses while spiking prunes while climbing unsecured and not wearing a brain bucket."
Your interpretation of my opening post appears to be a tad bit skewed.
Oh, and 'scared' is not the same as 'paranoid'.
Stumper
One Man Band
Touche', Paranoia is an irrational fear. I'm not paranoid. Nor am I frightened by your posts. My run-on sentence was meant to be humorous-combining various things you have posted about and some "local button punching subjects" that you haven't broached. All in the spirit of fun. :angel:
:angel:
It-it-it-it's
O-O-O-o-ooooonly pair-annoy-ya;
when they aren't watching;
other wise my shrink says,
it's not really paranoia;
or something like that.
Tim Bear
P.S. Stumpre seems to make some of the consistantly calmest, balanced assessments lightly that we see; even here weaving deeper humor and story into prose; and i thought that was ill-eagle.
O-O-O-o-ooooonly pair-annoy-ya;
when they aren't watching;
other wise my shrink says,
it's not really paranoia;
or something like that.
Tim Bear
P.S. Stumpre seems to make some of the consistantly calmest, balanced assessments lightly that we see; even here weaving deeper humor and story into prose; and i thought that was ill-eagle.
Matt Follett
ArboristSite Operative
Just to look at the reaction time required, plus the forces generated by the free falling climber, this troll seems to end quickly on the 'in air' portion and move towards what to do once they are on the ground.
We need Jumper to step in here and correct my math with his paratroop experiance... but I'll do my best, without a calcutator handy
rate of acceleration from gravity is 9.8 meters per second squared , that means that your 20 (6.6 meters) foot drop senario would take less then a second to elapse... and the person would be moving at roughly 25 km/hr, or 15 miles per hour! I don't think that my reaction time wouild put me anywere near the falling climber even if I wanted to get hit myself... (sorry self presevation)
the 40 foot drop would only take about 1.5 sec, still not much time to manouver
MB, I think your proposition of slowing the climber is good, but not with my body, and I don't generally stand around under the climber waiting for them to fall,
System failure is pretty rare if we follow 'rules' and guidelines,
Don't get me wrong, I don't think I am 100 % safe, accidents do happen, but let's work proactive rather then reactive. Stopping a falling climber with your own body... somebodys going to get hurt, seriously. I envision more broken bones, more potentail for injury then the climber going in contact with the ground.
We need Jumper to step in here and correct my math with his paratroop experiance... but I'll do my best, without a calcutator handy
rate of acceleration from gravity is 9.8 meters per second squared , that means that your 20 (6.6 meters) foot drop senario would take less then a second to elapse... and the person would be moving at roughly 25 km/hr, or 15 miles per hour! I don't think that my reaction time wouild put me anywere near the falling climber even if I wanted to get hit myself... (sorry self presevation)
the 40 foot drop would only take about 1.5 sec, still not much time to manouver
MB, I think your proposition of slowing the climber is good, but not with my body, and I don't generally stand around under the climber waiting for them to fall,
System failure is pretty rare if we follow 'rules' and guidelines,
Don't get me wrong, I don't think I am 100 % safe, accidents do happen, but let's work proactive rather then reactive. Stopping a falling climber with your own body... somebodys going to get hurt, seriously. I envision more broken bones, more potentail for injury then the climber going in contact with the ground.
kf_tree
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is the falling climber wearing gaff's? does he have a saw on his hip? does he weigh 260lbs like jps.........all reasons to stir clear.
Originally posted by TheTreeSpyder
Guess my reaction time is a lil'slower; might just have time to pray!
i've been compressed by a few other's falls (it's one of my excusses
That's prolly(where is he?) write there Matt, KF, any time i've been crumpled; kinda been right there spotting on trampoline, high horizontal bar, rings, coming off roof etc. Of course a guy whipping off over the top of a high bar has more force than just falling, but not always just down (depends on part of swing and trick). Even with a crumpling, rolling absorbtion 10-12' falling body to catch is quite a force, and can leave you ringing long after the other guy stands up and everyone cheers he isn't hurt and you're still seeing stars. And s/he could always catch your neck on the way down/thru.....
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
Yea, I kinda thought it was a dumb idea; Thats why I was asking you guys. So, I guess the offical answer is...
DON'T do it!
DON'T do it!
John Paul Sanborn
Above average climber
Ken, I would not be climbing a tree butnehkid!
I guess the 1 second elapsed time would rule out my " throw some brush under him!" responce.
I guess the 1 second elapsed time would rule out my " throw some brush under him!" responce.
Guy Meilleur
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MB I've run the falling treeguy possibility thru my head many times, always ending with the linebacker response. Is anyone old enough to remember Catcher in the Rye? Many in my graying generation have a little Holden Caulfield in them
Tom, I see ANSI's little window allowing free-climbing as a portal to freedom in this overregulated age. As long as I have 3 solid points of contact with the tree I feel secure enough without a tie-in. ("There's that age thing again.) I use a rope or lanyard when I feel it's useful while ascending, but not as a matter of habit. Kind of like seatbelts; if passenger isn't there clicking I don't remember to do it.
And MB keep trolling, or casting, or whatever! Your hide's gotta be pretty thick after the chainbrake fallout.
Tom, I see ANSI's little window allowing free-climbing as a portal to freedom in this overregulated age. As long as I have 3 solid points of contact with the tree I feel secure enough without a tie-in. ("There's that age thing again.) I use a rope or lanyard when I feel it's useful while ascending, but not as a matter of habit. Kind of like seatbelts; if passenger isn't there clicking I don't remember to do it.
And MB keep trolling, or casting, or whatever! Your hide's gotta be pretty thick after the chainbrake fallout.
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
Chainbrake???
OH! Yea.... slipped my mind.
OH! Yea.... slipped my mind.
SilverBlue
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Well next time you guys fall out of a tree or cut your head off, don't come crying to Butch!
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Not to change the subject...but what if you were in an elevator and it started to fall?
I hear if you watch the floor numbers, and jump up just befrore it hits ground, you'll feel less impact.
I hear if you watch the floor numbers, and jump up just befrore it hits ground, you'll feel less impact.
SilverBlue
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Sure why not? but if you jump too hard won't you hit the ceiling?
falling arborist
Please Stand Clear of the Falling Arborist, take a step back and watch. You are there to call 911. Watch carefully, 911 asks questions. The OSHA guys will be by to ask questions later but you wil be asked to talk to the insurance guys also, so you will need to be observant. Your fallen arborist will want you to be in tip top shape if he needs you to get any of the Z required equipment he may have lost during his fall. He will need it for the forensic investgation of what went wrong and who's at fault after the fact, he may have a concushion and remember nothing. Remember your arborist is like any other falling object and has the kenetic energy to crush you. So stand clear and give the arborist an unequaled chance at the Darwin Award, he would not want to share it.
For those of you that suggested grab or step on the rope; I had a groundman burn his hands and drop the rope, he then stepped on the rope, big mistake, it flipped him over when the rope grabbed his ankle. Sprained wrist and ankle. Limb made it to the ground A-okay. He misunderstood "let it freefall once it clears the garage" the other two guys let go and he tried to save it, it's not going to happen.
Please Stand Clear of the Falling Arborist, take a step back and watch. You are there to call 911. Watch carefully, 911 asks questions. The OSHA guys will be by to ask questions later but you wil be asked to talk to the insurance guys also, so you will need to be observant.
Your fallen arborist will want you to be in tip top shape if he needs you to get any of the Z required equipment he may have lost during his fall. He will need it for the forensic investgation of what went wrong and who's at fault after the fact, he may have a concushion and remember nothing. Remember your arborist is like any other falling object and has the kenetic energy to crush you. So stand clear and give the arborist an unequaled chance at the Darwin Award, he would not want to share it.For those of you that suggested grab or step on the rope; I had a groundman burn his hands and drop the rope, he then stepped on the rope, big mistake, it flipped him over when the rope grabbed his ankle. Sprained wrist and ankle. Limb made it to the ground A-okay. He misunderstood "let it freefall once it clears the garage" the other two guys let go and he tried to save it, it's not going to happen.
NeTree
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Ya know MB, when you first mentioned that "linebacker block" thing, I figured you for a looney. But then it occured to me that I've heard that somewhere else.
Anyone got their Asplundh manual handy?
Anyone got their Asplundh manual handy?
MasterBlaster
TreeHouse Elder
I WISH I could remember WHO it was who told me that!
To my recollection he was some kind of authority figure, or something.
And I DID work for Asplundh for a yr or so, a long time ago.
To my recollection he was some kind of authority figure, or something.
And I DID work for Asplundh for a yr or so, a long time ago.
ramanujan
ArboristSite Operative
I think the idea of trying to hit someone on the way down is stupid. Unless you partially catch them/slow their rate of descent they are still going to hit the ground at the same velocity (although maybe not straight down.) Your push could mean the difference between them breaking their neck instead of their leg.
Better to observe how he lands and inform the medical team that is called of the forces he endured.
Not sure if I'm biting a trolling line, but the elevator thing?!! So you'll impact the ground at 80mph rather than 85mph? If you happened to get the timing right to a fraction of a second of course.
Better to observe how he lands and inform the medical team that is called of the forces he endured.
Not sure if I'm biting a trolling line, but the elevator thing?!! So you'll impact the ground at 80mph rather than 85mph? If you happened to get the timing right to a fraction of a second of course.
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