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The wrist pin being able to move off center isn't going to hurt anything, the rod will stay well centered with plenty of contact area with needle bearings in actual use.

I still don't get a "warm and fuzzy" putting things together that could be better. I'd opt for a longer bearing with less movement anyhow, last resort would be to fabricate/obtains some small/hardened spacers to keep the bearing centered better.

I'm not an expert on these little engines when it comes to weight of the reciprocating and spinning parts. Common sense would drive me to want the finished piston weight on par with the weight of an OEM piston.

Brad, for accurately measuring the bores, a low cost and easy method is to obtain some telescoping gauges, they have round ends on them. Been using them here for decades, and with a little practice you can accurately measure bore sizes, mic the piston at the widest part of the skirt, and come up with actual piston to wall clearance.

Most modern allows used for forgings do not require much clearance, at least in comparison to older designs. Cast pistons being of completely different construction/materials hold their dimensions, shape, diameter better than forgings, and can be set up tighter. In automotive applications, we used to have to run .0035-.0055" piston to wall clearance with forged pistons. The cast pistons typically .0005-.0015". No problem at all with modern forgings at .002" if a torque plate is used for final bore finish.

The key with piston clearance, is to make sure that it doesn't absorb enough heat and expand enough to "drag" in the bore. In most cases they will make the needed clearance and continue to run. If too tight, of course, the smear enough material to lock up and/or comprimise ring seal, etc.

Another advantage to a casting is less piston "rock" with a cold engine. This increases engine life as the rings don't wear out as fast. I would certainly want the saw engine fully warmed up before burying a 24" bar in a hard peice of Oak....FWIW.....Cliff
 
why?

why does the world need a forged saw piston?

it is heavier. probably negatively effecting power.

it is more durable? so, 2000+ hours or so on a pro saw isn't enough? and it is still aluminum folks. dirt will still eat it up and so will lean running and straight gas.

more money? i can buy a good quality meteor and have money left for other parts for the rebuilds.

questionable quality. yeah, it is start-up... but haven't they shipped already?

what will happen when a forged piston melts down? will you loose the jug too every time?

i'll stick with old school cast pistons, thanks.
 
I think Shinidaiwa use spacers along with some other brands. I would try and find a longer bearing. Nothing comes to mind at the moment though.

FourPaws made some posts along time ago about shimming piston/rods.

Lots of meat on that piston your grinder gonna need be busy.

Justsaws is right, they used spacers on the 550/575/577/680 saws. The only problem is they're all for a 11mm pin. The 695 and 757 both have a 12mm pin but don't use the spacers...

:cheers:
Mike
 
so are these piston available through baileys now or are these the batch that brad is testing.

i think they look very good. i like the beefy pin bosses though i would do some grinding there.

they will get it right.
 
so are these piston available through baileys now or are these the batch that brad is testing.

i think they look very good. i like the beefy pin bosses though i would do some grinding there.

they will get it right.

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Wiseco Piston Assembly (54mm) for Stihl 066, MS 660 Item # WSC 3286
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Upgrade your stock cast piston to a forged piston from Wiseco. Wiseco forged pistons add durability, and the precision demanded by high performance engines of every category. Forgings have condensed grain that is aligned to the features of the part, which produces higher mechanical properties, and resistance to impact and fatigue. Each forging is designed to optimize the strength-to-weight ratio, and maximize performance. Compared to cast pistons, forgings are tougher and more durable, and will stand up to the abuse of high RPM engines. Wiseco pistons are used in automobiles, motorcycles, ATV, outboard marine or anywhere superior quality is a must. Bailey’s now offers you this same quality for your chainsaw.
 
why does the world need a forged saw piston?

i'll stick with old school cast pistons, thanks.
I agree, but we've had that discussion on another thread, so I won't keep ragging on it.

For an extreme "hot" saw, yes. For nitrous, yes. Is there such a thing as a turbocharged chainsaw ? :laugh:

Oh, well. The wiseco piston is beautiful, a work of industrial art.

Good luck with the project, Brad.
 
Sir from what I have read on the wiseco piston kits come with special supplied wrist pin bearing, wrist pin, circlips, rings in a complete kit. Maybe Bailey's sent floor scraps for some reason to be tested :confused:.
Was piston kits even in the wiseco box and complete kits?

Looks like they tried to make these pistons :newbie: proof :ices_rofl:
 
Oh, well. The wiseco piston is beautiful, a work of industrial art.

Good luck with the project, Brad.



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129?????
as good as i know them to be in the 2 stroke sleds and bikes ill pass at 129 atleast untill they get the bugs worked out and the price drops to 50-75 bucks.

i think you can buy mahle pistons or stihl stamped chicumn garbage for that price
 
I understand that,but like I said snowmobile pistons are the same way they slide back and forth on the wristpin quite a bit,and the wristpin bearing sliding out the side is a non issue.

take another look at the picture, brad has the rod pushed all the way over when in the cylinder this will be impossible,so with the rod centered worst case half of what is shown in the pic could possiby be showing that does not seem like a whole lot to me? Like edge of bearing housing?

You make a valid point. I actually had this bolted together and was going to run it. But I got nervous and brought it to you guys for your advice.

With the rod centered between the pin bosses, the bearing can only come out of the rod 2.25mm. With a 13mm wide bearing, that still leaves better than 10mm of bearing in the rod. So what's your opinion here? Make spacers, or let it be?

I think there's a Husky wrist pin bearing, like the one in the 380CD, that's pretty close to the aforementioned dimensions...

So check out the bearing for a 380CD? Any idea what the size of it is?

A longer bearing (12/17/14.4) is listed in the INA Needle Bearing section, under the piston/wrist pin section, but you'd still need two shims. http://www.schaeffler.com/remotemedien/media/_shared_media/library/downloads/tpi94_de_en.pdf
I'll definately check that out.

I'd opt for a longer bearing with less movement anyhow, last resort would be to fabricate/obtains some small/hardened spacers to keep the bearing centered better.
So you'd leave it as is before you fabbed up spacers? I have the orignal worn out Mahle piston I though I'd machine down the pin bosses to size, if I went that route.

But DANG! What kind of camera are you using?! Those photos are beautiful!! :clap:
Canon 7D with 24-105 f4 L IS lens.


These pistons came with rings, wrist pin, and circlips. No needle bearing was included. Squish with an OEM gasket is .022". These are production pistons AFAIK. Only the 440 piston appears to have the pins in the wrong location. I've not yet fitted up the 372 or 460 piston, but they look ok.
 
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You make a valid point. I actually had this bolted together and was going to run it. But I got nervous and brought it to you guys for your advice.

With the rod centered between the pin bosses, the bearing can only come out of the rod 2.25mm. With a 13mm wide bearing, that still leaves better than 10mm of bearing in the rod. So what's your opinion here? Make spacers, or let it be?

These pistons came with rings, wrist pin, and circlips. No needle bearing was included.

So check out the bearing for a 380CD? Is it for sure that it's 12x17x14.x?

I would run it, like I stated snowmobile engines have far more play as they rock around on the wristpin. I even think that this may allow more oil to enter the bearing? I remember a post from Lakeside about high rpm and spacers in saws and that it led to failures.
 
I guess if you need piece of mind that there probably is a bearing out there that would work. Myself ,I would just run it ,I bet the bearing never even leaves the rod.
 
As most of you know, I've been in Orlando on business travel this week. So I'm just now getting around to posting about these new Wiseco pistons that came Monday.

First of all, the quality of the forgings looks excellent. They all use thin 1mm rings. The 066 rings have end gaps of .009". Piston to cylinder clearance is about .0015"-.002", as best as I can measure.

My scale can only measure in .2 oz increments, so not very accurate at this weight. The factory Mahle piston came in at 3.0 and the Wiseco at 3.4, for nearly a 15% weight increase.

I've run into a couple rather serious issues. The 066 piston is much wider between the pin bosses, leaving .180" play of the piston from side to side, allowing the needle bearing to come out of the rod by the same amount. I do not yet know if this is an issue on any of the other pistons. It looks like I'll have to have a set of bushing/spacers machined up to take up that gap. That's going to add more weight to an already heavier piston.

The 044 piston looks to have a manufactures defect, where the ring end pins are way off center. This is allowing one ring to drop into the intake and the other into a transfer port. This piston is unuseable. The pins are properly centered on all of the other pistons.


This is the 046 piston. Notice how far off center the pins are to the right.

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Well right of the window.

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Well into the window.


Good member here, leeha, just shipped me a BEAUTIFUL Wiesco 166 Dolmar piston assy. It's my VERY BEST friends saw, I'll be helping with the build.

First of all MANY THANKS LEE!!!

The assy appears to be first rate, w/pin/clips/bearing.

I've access to analytical balances, +/- 0.0001 grams so will do the weight thing too. The best mics I have access too are +/- 0.0005", will check that.

There will be another 166 rebuild thread on the way....
 
Sure is pretty ,but no way would i run it ,just been down that very road with my 044bb piston ,theres nothing to keep the rod from walking sideways and off the centreline ,looks like it might cause bearing failure ,just my 2c
 
I sure wouldnt use one of those pistons at the moment The clearance issue makes to many insucurities. I want to make a useable saw that I can make revenue with. Not scrap for the local scrap yard.
 

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