576at

[Slamm]

Cost and weight I suppose, but it is about 11% bigger engine displacement.

I don't think the cost is much of an issue anymore is it? Didn't their price go up, and you have to get an HD air filter kit, which is an addition to whatever base cost. What about dual dawgs or a wrap handle if you are inclined to use a wrap handle?

The weight is the same or within ounces, so good comparison there.

Quality ........ well, I'll leave that one alone.

Great saw if it doesn't get used too much.

Sam

 

[Officer's Match]

I thought they came with dual dawgs, but I could be wrong. I agree that for a modest scale firewood getter, they should be excellent. I'm more than happy thusfar with my M-Tronic though.

 

[porsche965]

I dont understand why the 7900 78.5 cc saw is allways compared to the 441C and 576AT 70cc class saws.

Maybe because it can't beat anything over it's size? Let alone hold up in logging conditions from what I've read. Consider the source.

I'm almost convinced to buy the 576AT to give it a try. Just concerned about the build quality and durability along with the re-sale later. I wonder if the paint on the chaincase cover will hold up as well as the Stihls do. Or will it look old quickly from scratches and hard use. ??

Waiting for a fully ported 372 to get here. One thing about the Huskys, they serve logging crews everyday.

 

[mdavlee]

John the paint will hold up just fine on everything but the gray clutch cover. The orange ones paint lasts much better. I think the 576 is better built than a 441. The husky oilers are better also.

 

[MacLaren]

Maybe because it can't beat anything over it's size? Let alone hold up in logging conditions from what I've read. Consider the source.

I'm almost convinced to buy the 576AT to give it a try. Just concerned about the build quality and durability along with the re-sale later. I wonder if the paint on the chaincase cover will hold up as well as the Stihls do. Or will it look old quickly from scratches and hard use. ??

Waiting for a fully ported 372 to get here. One thing about the Huskys, they serve logging crews everyday.

I think you will really,really like the build quality of the Husqvarna lol. Seriously Jon, you would love a 576AT....

 

[young]

576 easier to work on then a 441, thats for sure.

 

[porsche965]

I'll get them to throw in a can or orange paint, that will solve that!

I've got the high output oiler on the 441, no problem with a 28" bar which all the longer needed here. Glad to know the 576AT has got sufficient oil also. What is the actual weight of a 576AT full of fluids with a 28" bar? Don't think I've seen that anywhere or might have missed it.

These Auto Tune or M-Tronics are a blast to run because, IMO they have a distinct personality with that computer working it's best all the time, in any elevation, adjusting for fuel changes, etc. Good stuff.

 

[MacLaren]

I'll get them to throw in a can or orange paint, that will solve that!

I've got the high output oiler on the 441, no problem with a 28" bar which all the longer needed here. Glad to know the 576AT has got sufficient oil also. What is the actual weight of a 576AT full of fluids with a 28" bar? Don't think I've seen that anywhere or might have missed it.

These Auto Tune or M-Tronics are a blast to run because, IMO they have a distinct personality with that computer working it's best all the time, in any elevation, adjusting for fuel changes, etc. Good stuff.

I agree Jon. They are a blast. Its like they have "another gear" so to speake.

 

[porsche965]

576 easier to work on then a 441, thats for sure.

Hopefully these new saws won't need worked on for a long time!

 

[mdavlee]

Give me a few minutes and I'll get a weight for you. It will be on a bathroom scale if it matters.

 

[MacLaren]

Give me a few minutes and I'll get a weight for you. It will be on a bathroom scale if it matters.

Cool! opcorn:

 

[blsnelling]

I did get get complete intake system and cylinder removal down to 15 minutes on the 441 I could probably do a 460 in 5 minutes though. Yes, it is three times more complicated. The 362 is very similar. The 261 us MUCH less complicated.

 

[porsche965]

This just reminds me of how the Autos and Trucks have gone. The good old days of a four barrel carb are gone for the new models. Computers and such are the order of the day. Plus and minus I guess. Brad has the right idea, just embrace it, get good at it, and let it come.

 

[mdavlee]

It was 21.6 lbs with a 28" stihl es light and oregon full comp chain. I think a full skip would lighten it up an ounce or so. :help:

 

[porsche965]

MS441C weight

Here is what I have on the MS441C M-tronic using a German Ohaus scale that is set with the UPS/USPS scales exactly.

Stihl skip chain, 28" Stihl Light Bar, full of fluids till they ran over. This is a wrap saw with just the half wrap handle.

If the picture don't come in right maybe someone can imbed it for me. Anyway here she is:

 

[mdavlee]

Here you go John. It's about a half pound lighter by those weights.

 

[MacLaren]

The 441 is then a little lighter than the 576. I thought they may be pretty dang close. I tell ya what though guys. IMHO, the 555AT has impressed me more than anything.

 

[mdavlee]

I believe the powerhead weights are very close. The amount of fluids they hold are pretty close also.

441
FUEL CAPACITY
725 cc (24.5 oz.)

CHAIN OIL CAPACITY
360 cc (12.2 oz.)

576
Fuel tank volume 1.48 US pint
Oil tank volume 0.78 US pint

 

[porsche965]

Stihl MS460

Just for comparision's sake, here is the Sawzilla MS460, again full of fluids, but wearing a full comp Stihl chain, RSC. Full wrap model with the wrap still on.

When handling these two together I can't tell any difference, but that's just me. But I can tell you running these two fully ported saws for a day is a blast! Very different attitudes. I have the 460 set at 13,300, which seems a bit rich but matches the 441C rpms @ WOT.

The fully ported 441 M-Tronic has such a willingness to "attack" the wood it puts me in a state of constant caution and awareness...like a notchie trigger on a gun, and feels like one going off when you hit the trigger. But that is only in appearance and expression, once the bar hits the wood it is all about getting through it as quickly as possibly. Mileage and suspension are a dream. Fit, finish, build quality is all German, no mistaken there.

This 460 is very different from the 441. Doesn't feel as fast as it is. But gives you that assuredness that nothing would be too big to tackle. The ride quality of this one, with the blue suspension mounts, running the 28" bar has me looking underneath her for the springs...really smooth for a rubber mounted saw. This was the Builder's Flagship saw for a couple of years, which he never set in wood until I bought her by my request, actually pleading. He was that sure of his work. The list of options on her looks like the sticker on a car. But...she loves to drink like a Scottsman on Saturday nights. Like all the 460s I've had when compared to the 441. They just like fuel.

These two sit in my office starring at each other all day. When I get the right hardwood and size available to me, these two are going to battle it out. Both in speed and how many cuts per tank. I'll have the 460 tuned to perfection, wherever that is at WOT, to be fair. Not sure when this will happen, but you all will get the video when it does. Until then, like two prize fighters, they will sit and hiss at each other...... and wait.

I know, I'm a bit obsessed but this is a Hobby and sharing with a good group of guys is fun.

Thanks for imbedding the 441's weight, please help on this one as well if someone can. Take care. :msp_thumbup:

 

[josh1981]

1porsche965 (John) is right about everything. I ran his ported 441 cm. That saw is no joke. Needto really hold on more so then my dual port 066 stihl magnum.

I do like the mtronics. Once the blowers trimmers etc are that way im switching.

J.