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[Stihl-Pioneer]

Thanks for imbedding the 441's weight, please help on this one as well if someone can. Take care. :msp_thumbup:

Here is your pic

 

[Andyshine77]

Maybe because it can't beat anything over it's size? Let alone hold up in logging conditions from what I've read. Consider the source.

Is this fact? or hearsay? Have you experienced this yourself? What experience do you have with multiple saw makes, old and new? Lets be honest here, most people that talk badly about other saw makes have never ran them, and certainly never taken them apart. Let me ask How many saws have you rebuilt? how many brands have you worked on? Have you ever seen the extreme use Matt has put his 7900's through?

The reason I brought the 7900 up is simply because it's my baseline, as it's one of my only stock saws.

 

[porsche965]

Is this fact? or hearsay? Have you experienced this yourself? What experience do you have with multiple saw makes, old and new? Lets be honest here, most people that talk badly about other saw makes have never ran them, and certainly never taken them apart. Let me ask How many saws have you rebuilt? how many brands have you worked on? Have you ever seen the extreme use Matt has put his 7900's through?

The reason I brought the 7900 up is simply because it's my baseline, as it's a stock saw.

Where's my Kleenix. Have YOU ever worked on a Logging Crew? Done anything else but cut cookies? Have you ever cut a full cord of wood by yourself? Have you?

Anytime, anyplace, Andie...

 

[Stihlman441]

Good stuff there John
This sounds like a prize fight to me,old against the new cant weight to see this one.
Would also like to see 441CM-Tronic stock v ported as well.:msp_thumbsup:

 

[Andyshine77]

Where's my Kleenix. Have YOU ever worked on a Logging Crew? Done anything else but cut cookies? Have you ever cut a full cord of wood by yourself? Have you?

Anytime, anyplace, Andie...

After watching Sam's video's I know now that's he's not a real logger, any time you say. I've cut hundreds if not thousands of cords of wood, I was a local firewood supplier for years. I sold in bulk and wrapped bundles. If you go back and look at some of my old posts you'd know that.

I answered your questions, now answer mine sir.

 

[Stihlman441]

Sounds like another prize fight is coming up.

 

[Andyshine77]

How about out we one up this, get in touch with Matt (A REAL PROFESSIONAL FALLER) and have him go up against Sam with his 7900. Now that would be a joke if you ask me.

 

[epicklein22]

I wish the loggers with a fleet of 7900s would chime in on how they hold up in the real world of logging. I think there was one guy on here that tried a few of them, can't remember who he was....

Anyone?

Mingo was the guy. Can't base their reliability on AS talk. Most people on here don't cut much and very, very few are loggers.

My dolmar dealer has a bunch of 7900's out in the field cutting everyday. And the majority of them only own one saw. The dolmars get it done no doubt.

Known problems are: weak AV, brittle fuel tanks when cold and the HD filters coming unglued. Some, if not all those problems can be avoided anyways. I've seen some of the way so guys cut around here, and the Dolmars take it. There is talks of a redesigned 7900 coming out soon.

 

[epicklein22]

So the 576AT and 441cm aren't even as fast as a 460? So how much of a better saw are they with the computer controlled carbs? We all know the regular 576 and 441 are slower than a 460. I'm just not seeing the reason to buy a 576 or 441 if they haven't gained all that much performance. I can tune a saw, that's no problem. This thread has me thinking a 372 or 460 is still the way to go when buying a new saw if you can tune one.

 

[porsche965]

How about out we one up this, get in touch with Matt (A REAL PROFESSIONAL FALLER) and have him go up against Sam with his 7900. Now that would be a joke if you ask me.

Just you and me Kiddo. Matt is another day. Be ready.

Thousands of cords? Not bad, you have nothing to fear then. I say let's throw down some $, like $5k to get started. You and I Andie. Shall I send a plane for you? Bring your checkbook, and your 7900.

 

[Stihlman441]

So the 576AT and 441cm aren't even as fast as a 460? So how much of a better saw are they with the computer controlled carbs? We all know the regular 576 and 441 are slower than a 460. I'm just not seeing the reason to buy a 576 or 441 if they haven't gained all that much performance. I can tune a saw, that's no problem. This thread has me thinking a 372 or 460 is still the way to go when buying a new saw if you can tune one.

The difference is if you cut wood all day most days the newer style saws are
Better on fuel
Better filter system
Better AV
Better torque
Better tune control system always tuned what ever the environment
Better EPA
Better easy start system
Less maintenance
More efficient
Modd very well
Must i go on
:msp_biggrin:

In stock for they may not be as fast but overall they win hands down as a all round package,job done.

 

[Andyshine77]

Just you and me Kiddo. Matt is another day. Be ready.

Thousands of cords? Not bad, you have nothing to fear then. I say let's throw down some $, like $5k to get started. You and I Andie. Shall I send a plane for you? Bring your checkbook, and your 7900.

Sir I fear no man, the worst a man can do to me is kill me, and I do not fear death.

$5K?? Sorry I don't care about a stupid saw enough to put 5k on, that's absurd. Send me a plane? You sound like a crazy rich guy that doesn't live in reality. Hell why don't I just get EC to build me a 7900, and when I win Eric and I can split the 5k. Erick you game? :crazy1:

Sorry John but you're not living in the real world, I have a job, family and other responsibilities that come first, I was referring to gtg type of deal. I really don't have a clue what you're thinking, but obviously you're not in the same world I'm in.

 

[Officer's Match]

So the 576AT and 441cm aren't even as fast as a 460? So how much of a better saw are they with the computer controlled carbs? We all know the regular 576 and 441 are slower than a 460. I'm just not seeing the reason to buy a 576 or 441 if they haven't gained all that much performance. I can tune a saw, that's no problem. This thread has me thinking a 372 or 460 is still the way to go when buying a new saw if you can tune one.

Not doubting you can tune a saw. I am doubting you can do it tens of times per second.

 

[blsnelling]

So the 576AT and 441cm aren't even as fast as a 460? So how much of a better saw are they with the computer controlled carbs? We all know the regular 576 and 441 are slower than a 460. I'm just not seeing the reason to buy a 576 or 441 if they haven't gained all that much performance. I can tune a saw, that's no problem. This thread has me thinking a 372 or 460 is still the way to go when buying a new saw if you can tune one.

The 441C-M is stronger than a 460, even stronger than an early dual ported 046. The vids are in the thread I did on the 441. Andre posted them. The stock 441C-M is considerably stronger than a stock standard 441.

 

[Officer's Match]

The 441C-M is stronger than a 460, even stronger than an early dual ported 046. The vids are in the thread I did on the 441. Andre posted them. The stock 441C-M is considerably stronger than a stock standard 441.

And responds very well when modded as far as I can report.

 

[Andyshine77]

Not doubting you can tune a saw. I am doubting you can do it tens of times per second.

The AT saws are here to stay, and it's been a long time coming. The AT saws are hard to beat and they make more power than their twins with manually adjusted carburetors.

 

[Stihlman441]

So the 576AT and 441cm aren't even as fast as a 460? So how much of a better saw are they with the computer controlled carbs? We all know the regular 576 and 441 are slower than a 460. I'm just not seeing the reason to buy a 576 or 441 if they haven't gained all that much performance. I can tune a saw, that's no problem. This thread has me thinking a 372 or 460 is still the way to go when buying a new saw if you can tune one.

So every time you cut wood you tune for
Different temp
Different humidity
Different fuel
Different alevasoin
Different stages of filter blockage
Different bar lengths
Different cutting loads

You must be a flat out with that screw driver :msp_confused:

 

[epicklein22]

The 441C-M is stronger than a 460, even stronger than an early dual ported 046. The vids are in the thread I did on the 441. Andre posted them. The stock 441C-M is considerably stronger than a stock standard 441.

Now we have conflicting info, because Mdavlee's video's show the 576at losing to an 046. Yet it beat the 441cm when those other guys tested them? Correct?

 

[MacLaren]

Now we have conflicting info, because Mdavlee's video's show the 576at losing to an 046. Yet it beat the 441cm when those other guys tested them? Correct?

The 046 we ran was bone stock. It was a little stronger than the 576AT. I have never ran a 441R.

 

[blsnelling]

Now we have conflicting info, because Mdavlee's video's show the 576at losing to an 046. Yet it beat the 441cm when those other guys tested them? Correct?

I could be mistaken. I'd have to go back and watch Andres vids. The 046 he used is my Dads saw. It's a very early one with factory dual port carb, opened up even further, and is a very strong runner.