661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

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Why not use the Sunoco 110 in a 2t engine then?
The distillation curve is completely wrong for a two stroke. Given this is it will burn dirty, make less power and contribute to deposits.
If your hung up on running a leaded fuel VP C12 is a good choice or the MR series from VP made for two strokes.
 
The distillation curve is completely wrong for a two stroke. Given this is it will burn dirty, make less power and contribute to deposits.
If your hung up on running a leaded fuel VP C12 is a good choice or the MR series from VP made for two strokes.
I thought SEF (it is unleaded) was the better offering from VP for chainsaws ?
 
I thought SEF (it is unleaded) was the better offering from VP for chainsaws ?
I didn't speak to unleaded fuels, and honestly I don't know anything about SEF.
The thing you have to look for in regards to a race fuels suitability for a two stroke is the 10-50% boiling points should be on the low side, as should the end point. Otherwise you have a bunch of liquid fuel making it to the combustion chamber that at beast leaches away heat and as a result power and at worst you pass liquid fuel right out the exhaust because it won't combust. Most of the fuels sold at gas stations are designed for long intake runner four cycle engines that give the incoming charge plenty of time to change phase. A two stroke doesn't have this luxury.
 
I didn't speak to unleaded fuels, and honestly I don't know anything about SEF.
The thing you have to look for in regards to a race fuels suitability for a two stroke is the 10-50% boiling points should be on the low side, as should the end point. Otherwise you have a bunch of liquid fuel making it to the combustion chamber that at beast leaches away heat and as a result power and at worst you pass liquid fuel right out the exhaust because it won't combust. Most of the fuels sold at gas stations are designed for long intake runner four cycle engines that give the incoming charge plenty of time to change phase. A two stroke doesn't have this luxury.
Now I agree with that. I think the high octane is not burning completely and probably the anwser as to why some folks engines stay cleaner?
 
Now I agree with that. I think the high octane is not burning completely and probably the anwser as to why some folks engines stay cleaner?
Its nothing to do with the octane. Octane doesn't effect how a fuel combusts, it's simply a measure of resistance to detonation. The fuel you are using isn't optimal for a two stroke based on its distallation curve alone. VP C12 IIRC is 108 octane and it's very suitable for use in a two stroke.
The key is, to burn fuel it has to change phase from a liquid droplet form to a vapor. The distallation curve is a measure of what temps this happens at.
 
Its nothing to do with the octane. Octane doesn't effect how a fuel combusts, it's simply a measure of resistance to detonation. The fuel you are using isn't optimal for a two stroke based on its distallation curve alone. VP C12 IIRC is 108 octane and it's very suitable for use in a two stroke.
The key is, to burn fuel it has to change phase from a liquid droplet form to a vapor. The distallation curve is a measure of what temps this happens at.
So these saws arent enough temp and load to vaporize the sunoco 110 with the distillation curve it has? The vp c12 vaporizes more readily?
 
So these saws arent enough temp and load to vaporize the sunoco 110 with the distillation curve it has? The vp c12 vaporizes more readily?
They don't have enough intake runner/port length or temperature for the fuel to evaporate before it reaches the combustion chamber. Liquid fuel will not combust. If you have alot of liquid fuel making it to the combustion chamber you leach heat and hp out of the engine. In an ideal world premix should nearly all phase change once it reaches the crank case and in the process coating all the internal parts with oil. The resulting vapor them makes it to the combustion chamber where it can be burnt.
And yes, c12's curve is biased lower.
 
here is the vids of the test. I put the cuts back to back so it would be easier to compare. Keep an eye on the wood for changes. Listen to the tone of the exhaust.
























https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKOhTBzwsNk jug temps


here are the saber 42:1 (not 32:1) cuts...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziyQ8TymImQ log 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1NILPcEgEk log 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgyuvHfISfU log 3 & 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJk4gTdbTnw log 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brPcLspVUq8 temp


Just based on running them all at different ratios again I think HP2 ran the best, followed by r50, then by k2 or 2r. R50 seems to get sluggish after multiple cuts. Seen here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcT26bDl_PI
 

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