661 Oil Test 32:1 vs 40:1 vs 50:1 ?

[Ron660]

Looks like Klotz KL-200 is 23.3!

KLOTZ MSDS
MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET KL-200
Klotz Special Formula Products, Inc. Telephone Number:
7424 Freedom Way 260-490-0489
Fort Wayne, IN 46818 260-490-0490 (fax)
Chemtrec – 1-800-424-9300
Chemical Name & Synonyms Chemical Family
Synthetic Lubricants 2 & 4 Cycle Lubricants
Trade Name Klotz Original Techniplate – KL-200(T), KL-199(T), KL-205
OSHA Hazard Classification: This product is not considered to be hazardous under 29 CFR 1910.1200
Boiling Point: N/A Specific Gravity: 1.002
Freezing Point: N/A % Volatile By Volume: <.1% @ 100 F
Melting Point: N/A Viscosity (cSt @ 100°C): 23.3
Vapor Pressure (mmHg): <1.0 @ 100 F Vapor Density (Air=1): N/A
Solubility in Water: Slightly Soluble Bulk Density: 8.364 lbs/gal
Evaporation Rate (Water=1): >1 Pour Point: -10 F uis
Decomposition Temp: N/A Appearance: KL-200(T), KL-205 Red Liquid
Odor: odorless to slightly musty KL-199(T) Clear, Natural Liquid
Weight per gallon: 8.364 lbs/gal
SECTION I - IDENTIFICATION
SECTION II - HAZARDOUS COMPONENTS
SECTION III - PHYSICAL DATA
SECTION IV - FIRE & EXPLOSION HAZARD INFORMATION
Auto ignition Temperature: No Data
Flammability in Air: Lower: N/A
Upper: N/A
Flash Point: 370-445 F ( 187 – 229 C )

 

[KG441c]

Thanks Keith, that looks like a good # to me.

Higher may not always be better. It is like you don't want to run straight 50 wt oil unless your engine bearings have been clearanced!

Since Amsoil recommends 100to1 Id say 50to1 should be plenty

 

[KG441c]

Ronnie cSt for r50 is 21.9 max. Pretty sure these other companies are listing max

 

[Ron660]

Ronnie cSt for r50 is 21.9 max. Pretty sure these other companies are listing max

Thanks. The standard method for the test requires an average and a deviation of no more than +/- 0.7%. The minimum for R50 is 16.3. I'm not sure about the other companies reporting values.....it could be a max.

 

[KG441c]

Looks like Klotz goes the xtra mile for protection in viscosities

 

[KG441c]

Mdavlee no wonder that r50 hardly shows any wear!!

 

[Moparmyway]

If you want to be technical here's the order of oils from the thinnest to the thickest (Viscosity at 100C) according to their Tech sheets in cSt's:

I really wasnt wanting to get all testicles .................. I was talking about pouring the stuff into a container to mix

 

[mdavlee]

I like klotz for the price. The original will mix with any fuel.

 

[Moparmyway]

I just ran 3 tanks through the 661 with H1R @ 32:1 this weekend
I also ran 3 tanks through the freak (ported/snotted 066 by mdavlee) of R50 @ 32:1

Fuel was VP from a new 5 gallon jug for both.

The 661 piston top is brown dusty buildup
The 066 piston top is just about clean as new

I will run the next few tanks in the 661 with R50 @ 32:1 and keep an eye on the piston top

I will NOT be purchasing any H1R anymore, no matter what anyone else says and regardless of what anyones results show

 

[blsnelling]

I just ran 3 tanks through the 661 with H1R @ 32:1 this weekend
I also ran 3 tanks through the freak (ported/snotted 066 by mdavlee) of R50 @ 32:1

Fuel was VP from a new 5 gallon jug for both.

The 661 piston top is brown dusty buildup
The 066 piston top is just about clean as new

I will run the next few tanks in the 661 with R50 @ 32:1 and keep an eye on the piston top

I will NOT be purchasing any H1R anymore, no matter what anyone else says and regardless of what anyones results show

I'm wondering if MTronic runs richer than normal though.

 

[blsnelling]

My 800 2T Road Racing arrive today as well. I haven't had a chance to open it up yet. I've been busy porting a 346.

This stuff is as thick as molasses!!! I very well may run it 40:1.

 

[porsche965]

/My 661 sure sounds richer than a properly tuned 660 or any non-electronic carbed saw. But it is turning 13,300 or so when lifted in wood. It sounds like it is running at 500 rpms at least fat/rich to me. And that's at 42:1.

 

[CR500]

This stuff is as thick as molasses!!! I very well may run it 40:1.

I'm defiantly thinking the same thing lol

Seems sad to say but 32:1 may be a bit to much with the Road Racing blend.

 

[KenJax Tree]

This stuff is as thick as molasses!!! I very well may run it 40:1.

Even at 40:1 it made a bigger black gooey mess than i cared for.

 

[blsnelling]

Even at 40:1 it made a bigger black gooey mess than i cared for.

If that's the case here, I'll certainly move on. I wanted to try it though. Jog my memory. What are you running now?

 

[mdavlee]

I haven't got a big mess with the 800 off road.

 

[KenJax Tree]

If that's the case here, I'll certainly move on. I wanted to try it though. Jog my memory. What are you running now?

Right now i'm using K2 40:1 and no mess even in my AT saws. The 800 RR was running down the front of the mufflers.

 

[blsnelling]

Right now i'm using K2 40:1

That's what I've been running. I have some left, but wanted to try some others. Have you found K2 to be extra smokey when first started?

 

[KenJax Tree]

That's what I've been running. I have some left, but wanted to try some others. Have you found K2 to be extra smokey when first started?

Yeah in the morning they smoke for a minute or so longer but once they've been running i don't see smoke the rest of the day.

 

[Ron660]

If that's the case here, I'll certainly move on. I wanted to try it though. Jog my memory. What are you running now?

Maybe Motul 710 will be the ticket since VP puts it in their premix for chainsaws. It's 8.9 and hp ultra is 8.4. Lucas is 7.5. Redbulls initial tests showed hp ultra was faster than Belray. These oils, 710 or Lucas, at 32:1 or 40:1 should give plenty protection and give better performance from our saws. I'm sure Redbull will beat me to this test but I wouldn't complain. I'm also wondering if the same outcome from stocks saws will be the same with ported saws.