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no ligament damage, but my kneecap is broken, havent been to the doctor, but now the swelling is down after about 3 weeks and its very obviously broken pretty much in half.

Better get that checked...and real soon, too. If it doesn't heal properly, and it won't without medical care, it will haunt and hurt you the rest of your life.

Ask me how I know.
 
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Bob is right on it, go get it checked. Don't be a knothead like I was, the Manly Man press on regardless of injury will indeed haunt you, structure failure in later life will cost more to fix, then a fresh injury. I have had two woods related "events" to my right shoulder, used the duct tape fix, kept working, now I have bones roaming around loosely, I'm about half worthless on the right now.

The sins of your youth, will indeed be visited upon your middleage.
 
When I posted what I did I hadn,t seen bark busters post ....... Bark buster , Were all tougher than twisted cougar #### on here , but you need to have a doctor check your knee out ............ Ya know why alot of top football highschool and college players don,t work in the brush ..... They CAN'T ... They were too tough and now their bodies don,t work ...... I found that out guiding ... Most of those guys would give their left you know what to be able to walk up a mountain ...... One time I stuck the outside dog of an 064 thru my knee cap . Man did that hurt .. I went to the doc , it was on workers comp . So they paid for the flight to town .. That knee works fine , Thank God !!!!! But it was good to get some professional advice ................. Doctors are kind of like Professional Fallers , or Pro Arborists ..... They actually Know what they are doing .!!!!!! Sometimes you can,t be one without the other .......
 
When I posted what I did I hadn,t seen bark busters post ....... Bark buster , Were all tougher than twisted cougar #### on here , but you need to have a doctor check your knee out ............ Ya know why alot of top football highschool and college players don,t work in the brush ..... They CAN'T ... They were too tough and now their bodies don,t work ...... I found that out guiding ... Most of those guys would give their left you know what to be able to walk up a mountain ...... One time I stuck the outside dog of an 064 thru my knee cap . Man did that hurt .. I went to the doc , it was on workers comp . So they paid for the flight to town .. That knee works fine , Thank God !!!!! But it was good to get some professional advice ................. Doctors are kind of like Professional Fallers , or Pro Arborists ..... They actually Know what they are doing .!!!!!! Sometimes you can,t be one without the other .......

yeah...my knee seems to work just fine, but its almost in half. dont know what they would be able to do for it..but your right i need to get in. and wow i imagine a dog through the knee cap would be pretty painfull, but is simular to the injury on my left knee, i had a rock basicly punch a hole in my knee cap and it split sideways accross my knee. now that the swelling is down i can feel every little detail. iv considerd going back to work on it, but im afraid ill wack it on something and hurt it worse, but i know if i get surgery,ill be laid up for a while. but i am 100% going to atleast go in and have them look at it, get a professionals opinion. im still kinda in disbelief that my kneecap is broken even though its almost been a month. im used to not getting medical attention, dislocated hip never went to the doctor, dislocated shoulder, never went to the doctor. i think this will be different though. and i dont wanna ruin my career in the brush before it really gets off to a good start.
 
We are finding, the hard way, 2 to 3 yellow jacket nests per day. I was stung just once yesterday and 2 other guys were stung a half dozen times each today. We all use a sting ease product but so far no Benadryl. The professional bee lady even got stung twice today when the yellow jackets got into her hood.
 
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"and thanks for all the advice on going to the doctor, i will take that advice."

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You do realize that going to a Doctor on a medical issue is the same as going to a gas station and asking for directions?

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Real men can hold their urine.
 
We are finding, the hard way, 2 to 3 yellow jacket nests per day. I was stung just once yesterday and 2 other guys were stung a half dozen times each today. We all use a sting ease product but so far no Benadryl. The professional bee lady even got stung twice today when the yellow jackets got into her hood.

Just yesterday it seemed to all change, was the time of year where you could stir them up, they'd just buzz around their hole, now its the late summer "We're mean, we're pissed, and we're gonna find who pissed us off".

We're in em too. Watch for traffic, try and stay away.
 
Yesterday, the hooktender told me about a tree needing paint on it. He warned about 2 nests in the area. I made it up and down with no stings. His crew said the bees weren't too horrible. But then, when I got back to the landing, the hooktender wanted to know why he got stung so much, and why I didn't.

One theory is that I'm slow moving so maybe don't attract their attention. But I did get stung by some slow moving bees last November.

Since I could smell the hooktender's fabric softener or cologne, I hinted that maybe that was a lure for bees. He said he'd talk to THE WOMAN about that.
I gave him a little lesson in terms of endearment. I replied, "THE WOMAN?"
He said well, that was better than the OLD LADY. What else could he call her? I answered, how about honey? Dear? A light went on in his eyes.:)

Maybe some people have bad bee karma.

Now, since I've said I haven't been stung much, I'll be cursed for today!
 
Just yesterday it seemed to all change, was the time of year where you could stir them up, they'd just buzz around their hole, now its the late summer "We're mean, we're pissed, and we're gonna find who pissed us off".

We're in em too. Watch for traffic, try and stay away.

Where we are working in the river bottom the vegetation is too thick to see traffic around a nest. We usually find the nest by being stung.
 
Jackets

We had a guy with cologne on a fire. (Eventually went to work for the Border Patrol)

Small 1/4 acre fire and everyone was dressed in the same great colors.

He got stung in two different attacks. The rest of us were unblemished.

He never mentioned a lady. Perhaps he was trying too hard.

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I had Inmates hand piling in an area 3 falls ago where there were thousands of yellow Jackets randomly scattered about. They weren't aggressive, just there.
All you had to do was ignore the 4 - 6 that would circle you for hours because of the moisture from your sweat. On this one tree there must have been a thousand. It was a snag with some moisture.

If you spazzed out - went into a swatting fit (doing Australian salutes) you were toast.

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My favorite way to kill jackets is with gasoline.

Take a margarine container with 1/2" of gas in it. Place over nest under a wood roof and slide it over keeping the top of said container against the surface preventing any escapes. Then carefully slide the lid on top and close.

Shake once while holding lid securely,

Gasoline is powerful stuff in many ways.

Burn them - although unnecessary - for effect.
 
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according to my boss from when he broke his jaw,he said the doc told him if you break your jaw it breaks both sides pretty much everytime,he was working the blender for quite some time,his wife told me she really enjoyed having his trap wired shut!shes a real sweetheart!lol anyways hope the faller is o.k.injuries are no fun


Broke mine a while ago and only one side went, got it plated up and it hurt like hell eating for quite some time.

Spat a little bit of bone after it worked its way out as well.
 
a few years ago i was cutting on a burn salvage,and was sawing on a good sized fir that the fire had burned its way up into the center of the tree,creating a hollow(with residents)i might add.those yellowjackets could have cared less that i was sawing on their tree,but when that sucker hit the ground!man they were on me like flys to you know what,they even got me twice in the neck,and a few more in other various places,those stings lasted all day long:cry:
 
Our snake bit hooker had his first day back, finger still swolen and can't bend, otherwise ok, but when I was walking out (ah, cutters schedule) they were still logging and he got hit by 4 or 5 yellowjackets down in the bottom of a hole. Poor guy, heard it on the chest radio. I'm just glad he's back in action, hell of a dude, not a complaint.

I was close to the loggers yesterday and could warn them about 2 nests, and a bee tree (honey) all in one block.
 

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