SawTroll
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Mike Maas said:
If that is an option, preferably the 339xp, I would say.
......and yes Mike, we know that you simply love the 260.....
Asking for more advice I may not follow.....
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If that is an option, preferably the 339xp, I would say.
......and yes Mike, we know that you simply love the 260.....
SawTroll, do you mean this info what is collected from Stihl technican?SawTroll said:I read somewhere a while ago that the 270 were originally concieved to be a pro saw, and replacement for the 260, but that it didn't happen because of lack of acceptanse of the horisontally split case and the weight issue - so they decided to carry on with the 260 as the pro option.
Some kind of test flight that went wrong?
The very high profile initial marketing of the 270, at least over here, tend to support such a theory, but the 270 was withdrawn from the market after a couple of years. The 280 arrived a little later than the 270 with more cc's, and is still offered.
Does anyone know any more about this?
I wonder if a 261 will arrive next year besides the 441.......
The MS 270 and MS 280 were originally scheduled to replace the 024 and 026 (now MS 240, MS 260) but development was delayed. The MS 260 (026) was kept in the line due to its popularity. The MS 270, MS 280 are true pro saws with a durable crank and bearings, better air filteration, new smoother anti-vibration system, and digitally controlled ignition timing. The versions with the triple activated chain brake are real nice with a completely new chain brake mechanism. Much different and easier and less expensive to repair than the original triple brake that was introduced on the 036 QS.
The MS 280 has nothing in common with the 028. It is a completely different saw. You are correct, the crankcase splits horizontally but the components are close tolerance castings. Similar to how high performance snowmobile and motorcycle crankcases are designed. Nothing like the MS 250 or MS 290 type of crankcase.
The anti-vibe system on the MS 270, MS 280 was designed for the AV requirements of the European market and short bar applications. The machines are listed for use with up to 20" bars in the U.S. market but really should use a 16" bar length. They are good machines but hard to fit into a niche with the U.S. market.
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I have MS270 and can advice it for occasional user. Very smooth saw with good antivibe, good acceleration and well balanced. With 18” bar the gravity center is around front handle (littlebit towards rear handle).
SawTroll
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I am in total agreement with you on that one....pinus said:
They obviously have had a hard time fitting in here in Norway too, in spite of the massive marketing effort when the came out in early 2003. Next thing that happened was that they were listed as "intermediate" models, alongside the MS390 "Farm boss" when the next fresh catalog came out...pinus said:
:alien: Identity problem? Yes, I have stated that before and I still think so.......
Sorry, but no such luck.pinus said:
My statement was based an earlier post by you, supported by what my Stihl dealer thinks about the issue.
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As much I know in 2003-2004 MS270/280 appeared here and were sold as pro saws. The some problems with fuel system appeared and pros wasnt accepted these saws and continued working with proven 026 saws. Then Stihl moved them to Universal saw class (?) and now to farmer saw class. Anyway, here now MS270 is sold as largest consumer class saw and MS280 as the replacement for MS260, which itself is available too.
Are you talking about MS270/280? 1993, there wasnt these models yetSawTroll said:I am in total agreement with you on that one....
They obviously have had a hard time fitting in here in Norway too, in spite of the massive marketing effort when the came out in early 1993. Next thing that happened was that they were listed as "intermediate" models, alongside the MS390 "Farm boss" when the next fresh catalog came out...
:alien: Identity problem? Yes, I have stated that before and I still think so.......
Sorry, but no such luck.
My statement was based an earlier post by you, supported by what my Stihl dealer thinks about the issue.
It seems that Stihls introduced new technology with these saws. I mean the precision casted cranckcase and jug. Probably it wasnt very good plan to do this immedieately on the pro saws like on the 270/280 it was made. Anyway, the 270/280 are not bad saws too.
SawTroll
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Sorry, should be 2003 of course!...and no, I dont think they are bad saws, but it seems like Stihl misjudged the market a bit.
SawTroll
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Pinus, a totally off topic question;
Do you have the European version of MOOSE in Estonia?
They are in Norway, Sweden, Finland and parts of Russia, but I am trying to find out how far south they excist.
I am pretty sure the are not south of the Baltic sea, but could of course be wrong.
Do you have the European version of MOOSE in Estonia?
They are in Norway, Sweden, Finland and parts of Russia, but I am trying to find out how far south they excist.
I am pretty sure the are not south of the Baltic sea, but could of course be wrong.
SawTroll
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Nothing to be sorry for - they taste good, don't they!
Back to topic;
Mking, have you arrived at a conclusion, or has this discussion only served to confuse you?
As I see it, the reasons that your uncle liked the 361 may be decisive when selecting the right saw for him.
Back to topic;
Mking, have you arrived at a conclusion, or has this discussion only served to confuse you?
As I see it, the reasons that your uncle liked the 361 may be decisive when selecting the right saw for him.
No conclusion but I will probably go take a look at the 260 pro and the 270. I think the decomp valve would be nice especially the older he gets but it will be a Stihl. I think because he thinks of Stihl as the 'cadilac' that I will just get him that...
16gauge
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mking7, The MS 280 is lighter than the 270 but neither has decomp. If he is big he can start it no problem though. In the older members of my family, starting is easy enough, it is the weight and vibration that most bothers us. A 280 "feels" like a Cadillac to me.
Justin Garrison
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I would go with the 260. It has been around for awhile just like your uncle. If he has been using a BIG OLD Mac the little Stihl will be like a gift from the heavens. My guess is he would not care about the adjustable oiler, and I dont know if the decomp is that big of a deal, but if you want to spend the extra money than go for it. Personally I do not use the decomp on my 046, It just dosen't make it easier to the point where I could justify pushing the button. I think it starts better without it as well. However I think that elastostart handle has alot to do with how good it starts even without the decomp. I would personally not buy one of those 270-280 things I think they are just too ugly thats why pros would not use them they look like they just crawled out of the toy department. No offense on how they run just I really dislike the NEW look.
16gauge
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Justin, I wish I could recommend running a 280 with your eyes closed...but that just wouldn't be right. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder though...
That is not correct. The weight of 270 and 280 is the same. It depends from the additional gear, like QCA and QS, which are adding a some wight to saws.16gauge said:
Both, should be available with dec. valve and without it, may be not in all regions.
