banning use of owb in ohio
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mga
wandering
i understand that.
however, in today's "al gore environment", there seems to be a green light on complaining about any little offensive smoke that bothers someone, or that someone feels is poluting the environment. for that reason, it's best to remain quiet about burning waste oils.
hydro2
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I don't even live in Ohio, but find the notion that government feels the need to regulate whether or not one chooses to heat his/her home with wood/coal a bit disturbing, to say the least. What has this nation become? In the 40's and 50's every house on every block heated with wood and coal. The number of homes heating with wood and coal has steadily declined over the past 50 or 60 years and yet the cancer and asthma rate continues to climb. Explain that!!!!!!! In a time when oil, natural gas and propane prices have reached staggering rates and the economy being as dismal as it is, you would think that the leaders of this once great country would encourage people to be self sufficient using any means at their disposal to survive and cut heating costs. Many people will be unable to pay the astronomically high heating bills they encounter this winter. Perhaps it is big oil and government in bed together?
Many citizens of this county have become nothing more than whiners, crybabies and “Benedict Arnolds”, turning in their neighbor every time there is a faint glimpse of smoke rising from the chimney of their neighbor. Our citizens should be ashamed of themselves and our politicians with their air quality control committees should be doubly ashamed of themselves. These are people who are paid with taxpayer funding. These agencies are wasting taxpayer’s money like there is no end in sight.
The cliché that only the strong survive is no longer true. If this was the case, we would not even be debating this matter. Just because there are people who are to lazy or weak to take control of their own primal needs, (heat in this example) they expect the rest of nation (out of jealousy I expect) to be dependant on big industry (oil and gas) and government to coddle them and care for their every need. Being that they are too lazy to gather wood and are unwilling to put forth an effort, they don’t want people who are, to reap the fruits of their labors. They feel that all people should just turn up the thermostat and pay the oil and gas companies, because the fine particulates will get us all if we don't. Never mind the preservatives in our food, pesticides on our fruit and steroids in our meat, they could not possibly cause cancer. The real enemy at hand is the fine particulates. After all, big oil needs the money more than the working class American citizen. So turn up the thermostat, enjoy the heat and lastly just shut up and pay, thus saving us all from cancer. After all, you did not really need food on your table for your family.
Those who actually work pay at least 40 percent of their earnings in taxes, and this is what they get for their money. For the 40 percent they are forced to contribute, they get air quality agencies and committees (with inflated salaries) such as this funded by tax dollars. Shameful to say the least! Just my two cents!
Many citizens of this county have become nothing more than whiners, crybabies and “Benedict Arnolds”, turning in their neighbor every time there is a faint glimpse of smoke rising from the chimney of their neighbor. Our citizens should be ashamed of themselves and our politicians with their air quality control committees should be doubly ashamed of themselves. These are people who are paid with taxpayer funding. These agencies are wasting taxpayer’s money like there is no end in sight.
The cliché that only the strong survive is no longer true. If this was the case, we would not even be debating this matter. Just because there are people who are to lazy or weak to take control of their own primal needs, (heat in this example) they expect the rest of nation (out of jealousy I expect) to be dependant on big industry (oil and gas) and government to coddle them and care for their every need. Being that they are too lazy to gather wood and are unwilling to put forth an effort, they don’t want people who are, to reap the fruits of their labors. They feel that all people should just turn up the thermostat and pay the oil and gas companies, because the fine particulates will get us all if we don't. Never mind the preservatives in our food, pesticides on our fruit and steroids in our meat, they could not possibly cause cancer. The real enemy at hand is the fine particulates. After all, big oil needs the money more than the working class American citizen. So turn up the thermostat, enjoy the heat and lastly just shut up and pay, thus saving us all from cancer. After all, you did not really need food on your table for your family.
Those who actually work pay at least 40 percent of their earnings in taxes, and this is what they get for their money. For the 40 percent they are forced to contribute, they get air quality agencies and committees (with inflated salaries) such as this funded by tax dollars. Shameful to say the least! Just my two cents!
Justsaws
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I will support any bill that reduces the amount of ground level smoke.
I will support any bill that reduces the amount of treated wood, plastic, tires, and poison ivy burned. Jail time and seizure of property sounds like a fitting punishment for these offenses since we are not allowed to shoot the stupid.
If people that own OWBs do not want to be regulated then I recommend policing yourselves, as that has not happened I will support any governmental agencies that will. These OWBs have become a nuisance and health hazard to people who are forced to live next to these inefficient pollution machines.
If you live out in the boonies congratulations, if you can see your neighbors house be careful and control your smoke. Also, do not sell your land to developers and then complain about your new neighbors.
Good luck, but if you are against this bill then I hope you develop severe asthma, chronic bronchitis and/or allergies to wood smoke so that you can also develop some sense of compassion for those less fortunate than you.
I will support any bill that reduces the amount of treated wood, plastic, tires, and poison ivy burned. Jail time and seizure of property sounds like a fitting punishment for these offenses since we are not allowed to shoot the stupid.
If people that own OWBs do not want to be regulated then I recommend policing yourselves, as that has not happened I will support any governmental agencies that will. These OWBs have become a nuisance and health hazard to people who are forced to live next to these inefficient pollution machines.
If you live out in the boonies congratulations, if you can see your neighbors house be careful and control your smoke. Also, do not sell your land to developers and then complain about your new neighbors.
Good luck, but if you are against this bill then I hope you develop severe asthma, chronic bronchitis and/or allergies to wood smoke so that you can also develop some sense of compassion for those less fortunate than you.
cmetalbend
ArboristSite Operative
Here's where A God Father clause is needed. If the unit was there before you moved in then KEEP MOVIN. Most of us have been less fortunate at some point in our lives, or still are. Wishing "ill will" is stupid, imature and inhumane":angry2:
:censored: You know this topic has been talked about for a long time. Listen, don't burn junk in your boiler don't burn junk in your in door wood stove....duh. But don't try to say every one is going to get a unwanted lung problem cuz of a OWB it can be anything that burns fuel......Lets think, any one here go to the BAR? Most Bars have smoke in it, that smoke is 100x the amount of carcinogens then in wood smoke......Im not sure of the real numbers but I have about 30 pages of OWB facts about smoke some from CB and some from heatsource 1.....
Hay it will be OK when Hillarys in office......she will take care of it....LOL
Hay it will be OK when Hillarys in office......she will take care of it....LOL
johnha
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Hey blizzard, there's a sub forum for political views on this board. Perhaps you thought you were posting there?
Marc
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While I have mixed feelings about this reg... I can certainly see both sides of it. I realize that there are problem burners out there and the health concerns can be very real.. but at the same time, punishing all for the misgivings of a few is generally not the right way to handle things, especially when this will, as I see it, discourage people from using wood fuel for heat, which probably means more oil consumption. And maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought we all mostly agreed less oil consumption was a good thing...
Well anyway, I'm enjoying the trend toward gasifiers, and I hope more boiler manufacturers make more outside models soon. Wood Doctor had the Converter, but apparently has some issues. The more HS Tarms, Orlan Ekos, Econoburns and Garns, etc. being used, the lower the prices for them will go and the better off we'll all be, IMHO.
I'll probably be installing a Tarm or Eko within the next year, myself, just because as much as I like cutting wood, I'd rather only have to cut 6 cord per year than 10 or 12.
Well anyway, I'm enjoying the trend toward gasifiers, and I hope more boiler manufacturers make more outside models soon. Wood Doctor had the Converter, but apparently has some issues. The more HS Tarms, Orlan Ekos, Econoburns and Garns, etc. being used, the lower the prices for them will go and the better off we'll all be, IMHO.
I'll probably be installing a Tarm or Eko within the next year, myself, just because as much as I like cutting wood, I'd rather only have to cut 6 cord per year than 10 or 12.
broachman
New Member
More reg.s because a nieghbor smells something!
I realize this thread is about new regulations on wood burners, but there are a lot of oil burners that smoke and stink on those low pressure days.
How many of you live around that?
Will we force all those people to buy new heating sources too?
Gov't is totally out of control.
Freedom?
The baseline now seem to be "if one person doesn't like it, we need a law!"
Kind of like the "If we can only save one life" our Socialist politicians use for justification for any new law.
We are witnessing the Death of Freedom.
To poorly paraphrase "the true test of freedom is the right of another person to say what you truly can't stand to hear.
Goodbye America!
I realize this thread is about new regulations on wood burners, but there are a lot of oil burners that smoke and stink on those low pressure days.
How many of you live around that?
Will we force all those people to buy new heating sources too?
Gov't is totally out of control.
Freedom?
The baseline now seem to be "if one person doesn't like it, we need a law!"
Kind of like the "If we can only save one life" our Socialist politicians use for justification for any new law.
We are witnessing the Death of Freedom.
To poorly paraphrase "the true test of freedom is the right of another person to say what you truly can't stand to hear.
Goodbye America!
Lignum
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I don't think we need another agency or what have you. Like I posted earlier, making the people who install the OWB place a 25' stack in it, and it could and would likely fix all problems.
HUSKYMAN
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That along with burning the proper stuff. I dont think 25' should be a firm figure. I dont know how I would support a 25' stack on my stand alone stove, guy wires?
But three feet above the nearest occupied building ought to do it
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Lignum
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R W Ohio
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April 15th. is far from the end of the heating season here in NE Ohio.
cmetalbend
ArboristSite Operative
Which bring's out another point. How long are these used during a typical season. Here in Kansas I'd say 5-6 months actual use.
jerseywild
ArboristSite Lurker
A 25' stack on a OWB is not an easy task.
Lignum
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'20 feet, or what have you to get the smoke above the roof lines of existing structures, that way the smoke doesn't hang out head level. That is what people are complaining about, not the fact that that they are is use, just that the fact there is billowing smoke that just hangs.
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