Best 2 Stroke Oil?

[North by Northwest]

FC oils in my expiereance are almost indistinguishable from FD. Probably because many of them exceed FC specs by a good amount.

I agree , especially in a properly tuned engine !

 

[North by Northwest]

You are violating every rule in The Project Farm handbook if you're only changing your oil every 4-5 years.

If memory serves me , most premium extended oil manufacturer's express either a mileage or hour rating or within 1 yr . The hour rating recommendation is often within small engine perameters or bypass filter applications within Severe Service Diesel fleet Applications , which could include agricultural equipment i suppose .

 

[North by Northwest]

I never found Saber to be particularly clean. Dominator is cleaner.
But neither is any better than other high end oils like Red Armour, Maxima K2, etc.

Saber in a properly tuned air cooled engine is reasonable clean for a high viscosity 2T oil . I agree Dominator is cleaner in a crisp running saw , however within power valved liquid cooled sleds is a liability , unless you keep the wick lit brother . I personally found Interceptor much more forgiving Bén . Air cooled sleds Dominator faired better with hot plugs . I also used Dominator within my 1972 250 Husky Mx & Interceptor within my 1979 370 Can - Am Enduro both at 40:1 for over 10 yrs . No matter how i tuned or jetted the Can-am with Dominator it was pig dirty . But i get your point Dominator is a more application specific oil . Saber is designed now , as a more broad range air cooled handheld unit (ope) oil . P.S. funny that originally Saber was a all around Bike & Sled 2T oil at the turn of the Miĺlenium , how marketing changes !

 

[Lionsfan]

If memory serves me , most premium extended oil manufacturer's express either a mileage or hour rating or within 1 yr . The hour rating often within small engine perameters or bypass filter applications within Severe Service Diesel fleet Applications , which could include agricultural equipment .

I don't believe any manufacturer would endorse a 4 year oil change interval. Probably wouldn't warranty your **** either.

 

[bwalker]

Where? I looked at all the pages in this thread.

I know your a old fuq, but there are other threads on this website and I have been here 20 some years..

 

[bwalker]

Saber in a properly tuned air cooled engine is reasonable clean for a high viscosity 2T oil . I agree Dominator is cleaner in a crisp running saw , however within power valved liquid cooled sleds is a liability , unless you keep the wick lit brother . I personally found Interceptor much more forgiving Bén . Air cooled sleds Dominator faired better with hot plugs . I also used Dominator within my 1972 250 Husky Mx & Interceptor within my 1979 370 Can - Am Enduro both at 40:1 for over 10 yrs . No matter how i tuned or jetted the Can-am with Dominator it was pig dirty . But i get your point Dominator is a more application specific oil . Saber is designed now , as a more broad range air cooled handheld unit (ope) oil . P.S. funny that originally Saber was a all around Bike & Sled 2T oil at the turn of the Miĺlenium , how marketing changes !

I've been out of the sled game a long time, but that makes sense in regards to dominator. Interceptor is their sled oil.
The last sled I had was a ski door 800 twin Renegade. I ran many cases of citgo Sea and Snow through it with perfect results. That's even with the very common ring issues that particular motor had. I also left the oil pump at the factory setting, which was around 20:1.

 

[North by Northwest]

I don't believe any manufacturer would endorse a 4 year oil change interval. Probably wouldn't warranty your **** either.

Believe i quoted 1 yr max LF , but I also believe your accertion would be correct lol.

I've been out of the sled game a long time, but that makes sense in regards to dominator. Interceptor is their sled oil.
The last sled I had was a ski door 800 twin Renegade. I ran many cases of citgo Sea and Snow through it with perfect results. That's even with the very common ring issues that particular motor had. I also left the oil pump at the factory setting, which was around 20:1.

Actually Ben , Interceptor is Amsoils preferred sled injector oil . Dominator is their premix sled oil for severe Racing applications . I just have not had a lot of sucesss with it as far as clean running . Not a big issue sínce i do sled head & piston inspections hourly every few seasons , gaskets are cheap . I know a lot of folks swear by it in saws . I guess my specific sleds like Interceptor or more recently Red Armor better. I have a friend in Michigan who swears by Citgo in his 850 Patroit RMK sled. P.S. i recall 2011 - 2014 Renegades having suspect piston ring locating pin issues along with inferior crank sealing , resulting in blow by & scored pistons . Better pin design & ring metallurgy along with double lip super seals resolved these issues . Awesome trail sleds , scary acceleration for the day !

 

[sean donato]

I don't believe any manufacturer would endorse a 4 year oil change interval. Probably wouldn't warranty your **** either.

Never seen longer then a 500hr reccomendation for equipment, thats usually with high efficiency filters and or changing filters at 250 hours. Nearly all auto mfg left the 3k oci in the dust years ago. 5-10k oci is pretty normal, some have year(s) for oci too.

 

[sean donato]

I find his down and dirty tests for hand tools invaluable.

I find them to be mostly useless.

 

[Vintage Engine Repairs]

I'am talking $8-$14 a quart within North America . $30+ usd. is what some top shelf manufacturers are asking , eg: Motul & Maxima ...etc ! Castrol & Shell 2T are still very well priced here North of the Border !

Here a quart is $27 Australian for Castro activ. $18 USD / $25 CAD. I’d rather pay $5 more get get saber as it smokes much less.

 

[Lionsfan]

Never seen longer then a 500hr reccomendation for equipment, thats usually with high efficiency filters and or changing filters at 250 hours. Nearly all auto mfg left the 3k oci in the dust years ago. 5-10k oci is pretty normal, some have year(s) for oci too.

750hr oci on our 2000 series MTU's. Oil samples have come back healthy since 2004.

 

[North by Northwest]

750hr oci on our 2000 series MTU's. Oil samples have come back healthy since 2004 .

Never seen longer then a 500hr reccomendation for equipment, thats usually with high efficiency filters and or changing filters at 250 hours. Nearly all auto mfg left the 3k oci in the dust years ago. 5-10k oci is pretty normal, some have year(s) for oci too.

Amsoil small engine oil is rated @ 350 hr . I agree even within extreme service Auto / Diesel applications 500 hr is the limit . Oci is 1 yr in all oil manufacturers recommendations that I recall , I personally run 5-10k in my Wifey's Kona & 10,000 miles in my 5.9 Cummins with bypass filtration .

 

[North by Northwest]

Here a quart is $27 Australian for Castro activ. $18 USD / $25 CAD. I’d rather pay $5 more get get saber as it smokes much less.

Wow , only Red Armor up North here is over $25 cdn that I have utilized . I pay $14 for Saber , $14.50 Dominator & $13.50 for Interceptor.

 

[Lionsfan]

Amsoil small engine oil is rated @ 350 hr . I agree even within extreme service Auto / Diesel applications 500 hr is the limit . Oci is 1 yr in all oil manufacturers recommendations that I recall , I personally run 5-10k in my Wifey's Kona & 10,000 miles in my 5.9 Cummins with bypass filtration .

750 hrs is the oci which came from Detroit Diesel and MTU when we began using the 2000 series. We have logged over 150,000 hours on 7 different engines using that interval with cheap *** Chevron URSA and zero mechanical failures which could be linked to oil failure.

With that being said, our company is a tiny sliver of the market, and I bet other marine outfits stretch those intervals much further than us.

 

[Vintage Engine Repairs]

Wow , only Red Armor up North here is over $25 cdn that I have utilized . I pay $14 for Saber , $14.50 Dominator & $13.50 for Interceptor.

What!!! That’s crazy cheap!

 

[North by Northwest]

What!!! That’s crazy cheap!

Yeah , i thought so . I have been running Amsoil products for 15 yrs. Prior i ran Shell & Castrol & Quaker State 2T products during my Racing days (70-80's era).

 

[bwalker]

I find them to be mostly useless.

Useless is right.

 

[bwalker]

Believe i quoted 1 yr max LF , but I also believe your accertion would be correct lol.

Actually Ben , Interceptor is Amsoils preferred sled injector oil . Dominator is their premix sled oil for severe Racing applications . I just have not had a lot of sucesss with it as far as clean running . Not a big issue sínce i do sled head & piston inspections hourly every few seasons , gaskets are cheap . I know a lot of folks swear by it in saws . I guess my specific sleds like Interceptor or more recently Red Armor better. I have a friend in Michigan who swears by Citgo in his 850 Patroit RMK sled. P.S. i recall 2011 - 2014 Renegades having suspect piston ring locating pin issues along with inferior crank sealing , resulting in blow by & scored pistons . Better pin design & ring metallurgy along with double lip super seals resolved these issues . Awesome trail sleds , scary acceleration for the day !

The problems where a plasma coated ring that lost its coating due to high heat caused from poor head piston design.
I absolutely abused mine for something like 7500 miles and it still had good compression when I sold it. Like I said previously I left the oil pump set at the factory setting which was something like 20:1. It sucked down oil like crazy! It also lasted and I never fouled a plug or had RAVE valve issues. All on an oil that cost $14 a gallon IIRC.

 

[diver64]

I think any brand name oil with the proper ratings will do just fine. Good fresh gas. Not abusing your saw. Keeping it well tuned. Running a scary sharp chain. Good bar oil and your oiler working a good power saw should last a very long time. My chain saw tuner will tell you to uae one kind of oil. 90 non ethonol from a real gas station like BP or Shell. and sea foam. 43:1.He is 84 I think and looks 64. He raced stowmobiles to Championships on snow and asphalt dragstrips.He uses LUCAS SEMI-Synthetic Blend 2 stroke oil. My 2 cents.He is from the shores of the great lakes somwhere.

43:1 is an odd one I've not seen mentioned anywhere else. Any reason for that mix?

 

[lone wolf]

43:1 is an odd one I've not seen mentioned anywhere else. Any reason for that mix?

43:1 V 40 :1 isn't going to make or break anything.