Brits talkin about Brit stuff

[iain]

back to work= have you guys n girls had any enquires re the new hedge height legislation ??

i have a copy of the cosultation document however now that it is law i have attempted to obtain a copy to better deal with definition's and peramiters
guess what it ain't published yet !!
however i can pre-order it, they just dont know when it will be released

typical arse up !

 

[PRUNER 1]

found out today that ime not even getting an interview for the arb officer job cos i forgot to mention in my personal statement that ime computer literate!!!!! doh! slightly pissed off!

 

[PRUNER 1]

oh yeh any one seen the new double redirect pulley i think isc have made without the middle sheave. looks like the little gold one but dual. need to get me one but not sure who makes it. any ideas?

 

[Ross Turner]

Iain,if you have a look at the Good tree climbing practice what you need to know is covered in there in laymens terms.Did you not get a chance to go to the lecture at the Arb show about it.

 

[Ross Turner]

Pruner1,A bit of a bummer if you ask me,they should still give you an interveiw in my opinion.

 

[puwer]

Pruner,

The double swing side sheave pulley is made by ISC the most recent ones being red in colour, CMI, Petzl also do them but with the ISC pulley each of the two pulleys moves independantly of each other rather than one fixed unit, much easier for re-directs.

Pick up from most suppliers www.treeworker.co.uk

High hedges, little bit of hype and a little consulting from it, primary reference made back to the BRE high hedges and light loss calcualtions.

You won't find any high hedge stuff in the GTGCP. (Produced by your "job for boys")

 

[iain]

ross
no i didn't go to the lecture at the show, mmmm who was running it ?
i always prefer a government produced document / booklet, anything else is short of the mark, when dealing with legislation, so i shall have to wait to see exact definitions
and calculation guides, i understand that there are many factors within the guide to establish the level of nuisance (when its published )

 

[Ross Turner]

Treevolution & someone from the HSE did it.

 

[iain]

Treevolution & someone from the HSE did it.

what the hse did " high hedges "

 

[Big A]

Just caught up on the last few pages, shocked at the pay rate "up North" is that the going rate up there? How do the bosses expect people to live on that sort of income, its an insult to good, honest hard workers. Liston - who's doing the Arb Mag? Pruner1 sorry to hear it didn't work out this time.

 

[PRUNER 1]

cheers big a, got something else in the pipeline anyway so keepin fingers xed and wait n see. cant say too much tho;-)

 

[Thor's Hammer]

Treevolution & someone from the HSE did it.

Oh how surprising Jobs for the boys again eh?

 

[puwer]

Me thinks we've got two different topics going on here ....

Pruner one asked about High Hedges Legislation, which was not covered at the AA Trade Show or in the GTGCP, you might want to download the BRE High Hedge and Light Loss calcualtions from the ODPM site. Or ask your friendly tree officer for the guidance notes issued to them by the ODPM.

The Working at Height Regulations was covered at the Trade Show (Treevolution and Francis Hirst HSE Inspector Arb) and is included in the GTGCP.

Ross, you mentioned LOLER inspectors course, www.theabsolutearbcompany.com are running some before the end of the year.

 

[Big A]

interesting point at the end of the HSE guidance on Working at Height Regs. "Following the guidance is not compulsory and you are free to take other action. But if you follow the guidance you will normally be doing enough to comply with the law.H&S inspectors seek to secure compliance with the law and may refer to this guidance as illustrating good practice." Oh and Regulation 4(3,4) Weather, "You must ensure that the work is postponed while weather conditions endanger health and safety" this is Gt Britain for God's sake, it gusts and blows and rains nearly every day WTF are you supposed to do, take the trees indoors?

 

[iain]

cry: puwer
i was asking re 'high hedges' n ross mistuck my meaning for 'workin @ height'
i look on the odpm site last week but only saw the consultancy document could you post the url link as i explained the tso states the document is still awaiting publication

thanks
iain

big a hahaaaaa hahaaaaa

 

[timberwolf150]

Big A. I suppose if you took the tree indoors you could use the stairs to get the high bits. Would they have to be puwer / loler / hse / AA approved?

 

[iain]

your getting the idea now mike


heres a link for a printable version of the ' high hedge n light loss ' http://www.odpm.gov.uk/stellent/gro...documents/downloadable/odpm_urbpol_607970.pdf

i hope this clears the fog!!! i've not had time to read it all yet myself

 

[Big A]

Timberwolf, you can only use stairs if a guard rail is fitted, a net suspended beneath the well and air bags on the floor. having read and re-read thru' the regs, covering all the relevant points on the job today, I realised there was no way to carry out the task without breaking just about every rule, so I did the job any way. I know it sounds ridiculous to even think about it but having been pulled up the other week by H&S officer I wanted to at least try and comply.

 

[jockie]

hello to all. don't s'pose anyone can remember me as I've been quiet since spring. depressed actually, as i've not been able to work after an accident when i've ended up with with partial sight in one eye after i copped for flying debris when a cheap 'copy' blade i'd put in the chipper shattered cos it wasnt up to the job. i'm a contractor and as i couldn't work i lost most of the regular biz. insurance covered my living, but it hasn't covered the years of building my business that i've got to start over. counterfit blade maker who told me it was as good as the genuine thing when he flogged me 2 sets is denying i even exist and hse REALLY SLOW in actually doing anything but speak to them - HOWSABOUT PROSECUTING PLEASE - THE BASTARD COULD HAVE KILLED ME. cheap blade my a8rse! sorry guys, feeling a tad sorry for myself. docs told me today i can get back to work, cos pressure testing shows i can bend over without undoing all the repair work to the eye. yippee. tell that to the 2 blokes i had to let go while i was laid up. first job to get the chipper repaired from where the rest of the shattered blade knacked the internals. now i know what buy cheap pay dear means! ho hum, such is life?

 

[Thor's Hammer]

Wow Jockie, Big mojo your way. sounds like you've had a crap time of it. Do us all a favour and name the knife manufacturer, and the make of chipper.
Shows me how poor the HSE really are at actually prosicuting. Hope things will improve for you mate