Ross Turner
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Sad to hear it Jockie,Did you get an invoice for the chipper blades?,if so the blade maker cant deny it if you have.
Hope you get back up & running soon.
Hope you get back up & running soon.
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jockie
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thanks loads thor and ross. cos of the legal situ i've been warned off naming names by my brief.
the chippers no problem at all and has always been gr8 and i cant wait to get using it again - i just wish i'd kept to the manufacturers genuine parts like they recommend, i will be from now on!
the chippers no problem at all and has always been gr8 and i cant wait to get using it again - i just wish i'd kept to the manufacturers genuine parts like they recommend, i will be from now on!
iain
ArboristSite Operative
major respect mate !
don't let the b**tards grind you down, running a business isn't easy, but you've done it once, so you CAN do it again !
what did the blade shatter on ? was it just the wood or did it contact something else it can happen if your main flywheel bearing collapses and then the flywheel is then rotating off centre, it can smash on the anvil
do you know what kind of metal the blade was made of or was it cast
name n shame
fight on !!!!
don't let the b**tards grind you down, running a business isn't easy, but you've done it once, so you CAN do it again !
what did the blade shatter on ? was it just the wood or did it contact something else it can happen if your main flywheel bearing collapses and then the flywheel is then rotating off centre, it can smash on the anvil
do you know what kind of metal the blade was made of or was it cast
name n shame
fight on !!!!
Thor's Hammer
ArboristSite Guru
NAME AND SHAME!
I have heard of knives shattering before, and once saw an exenco drum throw a badly fitted knife. that broke into about 20 pieces when it worked loose and hit the anvil.
Knife metalurgy is always a balance between hardness and ductability. you want a hard knife to retain its edge, but not so hard that it shatters. I think some manufacturers tried D2 tool steel knives once, but found they were to hard and broke up after a few weeks. I know some of the Yank manufacturers have very advanced knives now, with hard edge inserts on a softer base.
BUT NAME AND SHAME! I have found that following the legal route often gets you nowhere....
I have heard of knives shattering before, and once saw an exenco drum throw a badly fitted knife. that broke into about 20 pieces when it worked loose and hit the anvil.
Knife metalurgy is always a balance between hardness and ductability. you want a hard knife to retain its edge, but not so hard that it shatters. I think some manufacturers tried D2 tool steel knives once, but found they were to hard and broke up after a few weeks. I know some of the Yank manufacturers have very advanced knives now, with hard edge inserts on a softer base.
BUT NAME AND SHAME! I have found that following the legal route often gets you nowhere....
timberwolf150
ArboristSite Member
I have an easy answer when it comes to blades. Whatever the make of chipper buy only genuine blades.
WHY??
We have a brutal but very simple test we put random samples of each batch of blades we make through. When testing some of the pattern blades with the same process the results are horrendous. I have seen blades not just break but shatter into many pieces. Just like bullets from a gun. Some have broken in such a way we have not been able to retrieve all the bits.
Just recently a customers machine came in with pattern blades. We showed him a genuine blade being tested and then with a fraction of the test force broke one of his pattern ones.It shattered like glass. He was horrified by the results and all 5 sets he had purchased went straight in the bin. The supplying company had even told them they were genuine blades and again his complaints fell on deaf ears.
I'm not saying TW or any other manufacturers blades won't break.The correct fitting and foreign objects going through the chipper can play a major part in the blades ability to remain intact.
I can however assure you that if genuine blades were fitted, TW wouldn't be leaving any customer hanging out to dry like Jockie is at the mo. I would like to think any manufacturer of chippers would have the same response.
Remember these companies selling pattern blades only exist because YOU buy their blades. Legally it is hard to stop them. HSE have better things to do like making sure you have the correct colour underpants on to even worry about someones life!!!!!
WHY??
We have a brutal but very simple test we put random samples of each batch of blades we make through. When testing some of the pattern blades with the same process the results are horrendous. I have seen blades not just break but shatter into many pieces. Just like bullets from a gun. Some have broken in such a way we have not been able to retrieve all the bits.
Just recently a customers machine came in with pattern blades. We showed him a genuine blade being tested and then with a fraction of the test force broke one of his pattern ones.It shattered like glass. He was horrified by the results and all 5 sets he had purchased went straight in the bin. The supplying company had even told them they were genuine blades and again his complaints fell on deaf ears.
I'm not saying TW or any other manufacturers blades won't break.The correct fitting and foreign objects going through the chipper can play a major part in the blades ability to remain intact.
I can however assure you that if genuine blades were fitted, TW wouldn't be leaving any customer hanging out to dry like Jockie is at the mo. I would like to think any manufacturer of chippers would have the same response.
Remember these companies selling pattern blades only exist because YOU buy their blades. Legally it is hard to stop them. HSE have better things to do like making sure you have the correct colour underpants on to even worry about someones life!!!!!
PRUNER 1
ArboristSite Operative
hi guys this was yesterdays job. 4 lines under crown so all lowered. last lumper off stem i pushed onto one of the wires and brought it down. last cut! ide even sent the saw down! gutted and the boss had just turned up as i pushed it! 
sorry to here about your accident jockie.
sorry to here about your accident jockie.
jockie
ArboristSite Lurker
thanks iain and pruner too. the supports really great and it means alot.
timberwolf 150 - a hard message but i spose you come across this all the time and your completely right. lesson learnt here, and i'm not looking forward to chipper repair either.
name and shame? - everyones right of course and i should, but i've just had so much to deal with the last few mths that i'm a jelly in the corner. a few beers and i'll feel braver to go against lawyers advise!
timberwolf 150 - a hard message but i spose you come across this all the time and your completely right. lesson learnt here, and i'm not looking forward to chipper repair either.
name and shame? - everyones right of course and i should, but i've just had so much to deal with the last few mths that i'm a jelly in the corner. a few beers and i'll feel braver to go against lawyers advise!
ROLLACOSTA
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jokie you must get the ball moving sue the company that sold the blades !! glad to here your well enough to get back to work
Ross Turner
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Jockie,What is your company called again?.If you need a hand let me know & i will see if i can help as just in Telford.
iain
ArboristSite Operative
jockie
if you don't want to be implicated merely mentioning a suppliers name,
hypothetically if you were to send a pm, to any one of the more active members on here, you couldn't be held responsible for there actions !!!!! just a thought
after all this is a discussion forum for the proffession, we are free to openly discuss our thoughts right across the range, from work to kit. (for the moment at least unless uncle tony's brigade has reformed that too )
if you don't want to be implicated merely mentioning a suppliers name,
hypothetically if you were to send a pm, to any one of the more active members on here, you couldn't be held responsible for there actions !!!!! just a thought
after all this is a discussion forum for the proffession, we are free to openly discuss our thoughts right across the range, from work to kit. (for the moment at least unless uncle tony's brigade has reformed that too )
jockie
ArboristSite Lurker
Ross Turner said:
thanks alot for that ross. i closed the biz after the accident cos i knew i couldnt work for a long while. sold most kit so i cld give my 2 guys a bit of a pay off and clear everything outstanding. ended up with £103 credit in the biz account! we sold up and moved in with wifes parents in lincs while i got better (got bugga all cos we'de bought at top of market). ive toyed with the idea of trying somthing else but sodit, this is all i know!
Ed - tks for the pm. i'll see you over there tmrw - gonna crash now.
tks again everyone, up and at em!!
Thor's Hammer
ArboristSite Guru
uncle tony is cool! he told me so!iain said:jockie
if you don't want to be implicated merely mentioning a suppliers name,
hypothetically if you were to send a pm, to any one of the more active members on here, you couldn't be held responsible for there actions !!!!! just a thought
after all this is a discussion forum for the proffession, we are free to openly discuss our thoughts right across the range, from work to kit. (for the moment at least unless uncle tony's brigade has reformed that too )
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Ross Turner
ArboristSite Operative
Jockie,Where abouts in Lincs,Used to live over there before i moved to telford.
jockie
ArboristSite Lurker
Ross Turner said:
hi ross, lodging just outside holbeach. almost def gonna have to move on as not much work in this patch. reckon this year'll be a complete right off by the time i'm sorted and going properly agn.
blue
ArboristSite Operative
work may be slow round these parts but we still pick up some good jobs like this one
blue
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blue
ArboristSite Operative
didn't get any pics of blockin the rest down today as it pi$$wd it down all day.got soaked thru but got it finnished
Thor's Hammer
ArboristSite Guru
Nice one Blue. Love doing lombardy pops, nice and easy to rope. works still slow, but just had an enquiry about felling 128 pops like that
blue
ArboristSite Operative
holy poop thor,128 the same size as that!!
