China/Stihl knockoff?

[spacemule]

Spacemule, I'm happy that you are in the position to 'reestablish' yourself every time that your employment situation changes. There are, unfortunately, a great number of people who are not able to do so, or do so at a great cost.

Communism sought to give everyone employment and share goods equally. Are you interested in a scenario like that? Remember Russia? I'm not saying there is an easy answer. What I'm saying is that ingenuity and entrepreneurship will always reward those willing to flow with the changes rather than mourn them. I like this system--it rewards those with legitimate talent and culls those without by "natural selection."

That is what I hope to see survive more than unions and trade tariffs, and is what history has shown to be the most effective guarantee of continued wealth.

 

[Chris J.]

bman, yes there are niche markets for specialized products and services. I work in one, but not as an owner.

Spacemule, I'm all for ingenuity & entrepreneurship. It's the "natural selection" and "culling out" of those without "legitimate talent" that concerns me. A large portion of our population are Average Joe Workers who can be displaced and retrained only so many times. Not everyone is in the posoition to be an entrepreneur, and quite a few entrepreneurs also fail. What do you propose that we do with the workers "without legitimate talent?" Put them on welfare? We're already seeing how welfare is backfiring. Give them menial jobs wth nominal pay? Interesting idea except remember we're sending those jobs overseas. I don't support communism (I must ask where did you got the idea that I do?), the reestablishment of trade unions except possibly under extreme conditions, but I don't have a problem with trade tariffs.

I still maintain that sending our jobs overseas is hurting the US, and it's only going to get worse.

 

[spacemule]

I'm of the opinion that most, if not all of us, can be more talented and lucrative than we are. I also maintain that many of these improvements will not come about without necessity. If we sheild people from challenges, we limit their potential in most cases. I wasn't saying you support communicsm, I was just reminding you of the famous creed "each according to his need."

Wellfare can be a good thing, as long as it's a stepping stone and not permanent. Menial jobs will always exist in this country--it's tough to move burger flipping jobs overseas. While the available menial jobs may change, they will always be here.

Like it or not, foreign products are a reality. People speak of the greed of corporations, but most corporations are faced with two choices. They either go out of business because they can't compete with foreign labor costs, or they transfer their factories to where they can remain competitive. Should we ban foreign goods, we will also be banning our exportations of our products, which would severly limit our industries as well. As one gentleman pointed out, I'm from Arkansas. We export more rice to China (quite a lot of chicken also) than any other state in the union, and we're pretty high up on the world exporters list also. Can you see what it would do to our economy if trade tariffs were imposed that served to cease foreign trade? What would we do with all the farmers who would go broke and hands that would be laid off? What would it do to the Chinese market if they lost a cheap source of rice and chicken? Foreign trade is not nearly as one-sided as many seem to think.

Also, keep in mind that when we speak of Chinese goods, we speak of goods that are traded to us on the basis of our own money--or our government's liability to cover the debt guaranteed by our currency. Seems the Chinese have more faith in the value of our dollar than many of us have.

But I've rambled enough. This is obviously a complex situation that does not fit well with the "We're all just working for the Japanese" mentality. We can find loss of value in many areas, yet at the same time we can find economic growth in many areas. It all balances out.

 

[bman]

Well I for one would prefer to play on space mules team, reward for merit not entitlement. And I must add that there are so many "niche markets" as a result of the prosperity generated by not having to shell out $400 for a color TV. Hmmm, I saved so much on my last electronic purchase I might have to add a new 28ga to my bird gun collection. That niche market has grown wildly in the last 15 years, I wonder why?

 

[Al Smith]

Well,everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it.I have had some of the lousiest jobs on the planet.Ever work on a sheep dipping rig,I have.Ever shear sheep,I have.Cut cane,picked onions,baled hay,worked in a meat processing plant,done it all.Oh yea,worked the woods too.I have a good job now,one of the highest paid blue collar workers in the USA,I've earned it.It took a long time,I've paid my dues,several times over.Yes in deed ,I'm a union man,proud of it.Can I sit on my laurels because of that fact?Only for a short time,then the non union eats me up.I personally have a high standard I must maintain or else myself and my craft are in dire straights.Now this exporting of North American jobs was no big deal while it just affected blue collar workers.Now it involves engineers,computer programmers,etc.Now people are crying foul,when it affects them,but not before.I personally don't support Asian made goods.What anyone else does is their business.This is my opinion on the matter,others may differ.

 

[spacemule]

I didn't mean to imply that all union workers are lazy or haven't put their dues in, Al. I just meant that is a trait that can be fostered in union situations. I've seen some unions in Missouri actually run non-union folks off the road when the companies wouldn't concede to their demands and got rid of union workers. I remember Greyhound bus drivers getting shot at during their strike--all over folks working to provide for their families. That's made me have a dim view of unions ever since.

 

[NWCS]

getting back on topic.. in a few months it looks like i will be buying one of these chinese saws, might start selling them for chainsaw millers..
i have a price quote in hand (FOB Shanghai) just have to figure out the shipping cost. the saws are amazingly low priced.. if i could get away with selling them would be a good deal. anybody have a clue what that freight for one saw with no bar from Shanghai to the west coast USA might cost?

 

[spacemule]

Sorry to hijack the thread, Lostone. I did go off on a bit of a tangent.

 

[Marco]

The EPA would probably derail you on a complete saw. I have thaught of getting them in as a servicing long block without recoil, barcover, handlebar........basically anything that wouldn't require a gasket to install and then offer a a crash kit with all the rest of the peices to make a complete saw. Just a thaught.

 

[NWCS]

if they turn out good, an 070 clone would be worth stocking.. probly squeak by on "reproduction collectors item" just have to see..

 

[TimberMcPherson]

New 070's? man thats a niche!

China's product quality with only get better with time, There motorbikes and tractors get better every year.

The way things are going, in the future its going to be china and india which will hold the manufacturing reins worldwide.

 

[donald_harby]

I have traveled around in China and have visited some factories there. I can tell you first hand that they will not be able to keep up the pace for very long. I think in a few years we will see many changes for the better. I can tell you first hand that we can compete with them and as they demand better living conditions it will only get better. The more we interact with them is the faster this will happen. I think like others have said it is really no different than buying a German saw.

I would encourge you to try and contact the company. They will work with you. It shouldn't be too bad to ship a few so you can play with them. I would really talk to the company and see if they would send them not fully assemblied. Then market them as a kit. If you need help let me know. It cost very little to call them. It is about $.03/min. If you warn them you are going to call they should have some at their company that have pretty good english.

 

[thompson1600]

If you can get them I'm interested. I'd like to get one to put a new 090 jug on top of it. Have to see how the crankshafts are, but could be a way to get new 070's or a new built 090.

 

[Cut4fun]

getting back on topic.. in a few months it looks like i will be buying one of these chinese saws, might start selling them for chainsaw millers..
i have a price quote in hand (FOB Shanghai) just have to figure out the shipping cost. the saws are amazingly low priced.. if i could get away with selling them would be a good deal. anybody have a clue what that freight for one saw with no bar from Shanghai to the west coast USA might cost?

I think it stated shipped as 500 saws or 1000 saws at a time. So what kind of price did the 070 come out to for one? It states all parts interchange with the originals. Just wonder the savings here compared to the pick pockets.

 

[NWCS]

they state the quality of saws that fit in each size container, that is not a buying limit.. they are more than willing to sell me one.. or five.. etc.

this is copied directly from the email about the saws.

NT10500 chain saw without bar and chain price is USD160.00 per unit.
NT10500 chain saw with 36" bar and chain price is USD190.00 per unit.
saw chain 0.404" 16H 100' per reel price is USD96.00 per reel.
All above prices are FOB Shanghai.

FOB just means loaded on a boat.. cleared for export.. buyer swallows the entire shipping bill.. no matter what insane cost it could be..

 

[Cut4fun]

WOW, even a homeowner can afford a bigger saw with that price. Wonder what that shipping would be?

 

[Marco]

a homeowner with an 070?!?! somebody better get a pulley and counterweight system rigged up

 

[Al Smith]

Catch them if you can.Let us know how it turns out.Best of luck.

 

[Cut4fun]

Oh forgot to say homeowner with 20 acres, 13 of it woods and hills.

 

[Cut4fun]

Pit of the small barn and woods

Heres alittle bit of the woods. Just like to cut up the storm damage etc. Hasnt been logged since 93, so its finally getting some size back. Took the 16" and over poplars, pines and oak off.