Climber Needed for Huge Take Down....

[jomoco]

Here's a Quicktime of a contract job I did earlier this Summer for a local company. Their team had a bet I couldn't do it spikeless. I lost the bet. I had them throw the spurs up for the last three trunk cuts. Could have done them off a ladder, but I really don't like ladders. Here's the time lapse video.

How many picks was that TM, fifty?

Just kidding!

jomoco

 

[ropensaddle]

On that sycamore, it would have been a rigging op, but the company owner underbid it, then no one there wanted to do the climb because it was over a garage, porch and power lines. He called me to ask some advice. I crunched numbers with him and the only way he was going to salvage his day was to minimize the time on-site to a morning, and then go do another job in the afternoon.... or tell the owner you need more money..... or bail on it totally. He opted to honor his price.

We got the tree down and cleaned up an were rolling out by lunch. It wasn't that humongous of a tree, and the base cut, 4 feet across, was hollow to a degree, so that was helpful, and we didn't hit any foreign objects so it was a good day. I should have just worn the spikes. It was unnecessarily physical on a few of those long limbs. I should have had a second sling, or wire rope choker. That held up progress a bit.


On a really big lightning strike oak a couple months later the crane operator lifted me up to the high tie-in point, we brought down a couple limbs and one of the ground guys yelled up, "Hey, ya want your spikes???" I just totally forgot them at the base of the tree. "I'll let ya know if I do." At the moment we were jamming and I didn't want to take the time and hold everyone up, plus the limbs had plenty of branches everywhere.

I never put them on because once we got it pared down to a 40 foot trunk, there was no need to lift it anywhere, just lay it down. The crane operator was a bit nervous, understandably, but it went OK. 5-1/2 feet across on that baby. 6 hours, he was the slowest crane operator I've ever used, I was pullin my hair out I had a second sling this day, but it doesn't help a whole lot if you get rigged and then have to wait.

My last crane job was five large pines in a back yard I was elevated used chokers five large trees gone by 2:30 pm to do another tree this operator was too fast sounds like we need a middle of the road operator

 

[Tree Machine]

I do the crown-out with a ported 346XP, 14" titanium carving bar and 3/8 LP chain like you'd use on the smaller top-handle saw (sizzle~~ ). Great power, fast cuts, plenty of fuel. A 372XP and a 24" bar for the bigger aerial cuts and a 395XP with a three foot bar waiting on the ground for the final cut(s). Everyone, I think, likes doing crane jobs.

 

[Tree Machine]

I only mention that for you, ropensaddle, and I guess for any other Husky fans.

 

[ropensaddle]

I only mention that for you, ropensaddle, and I guess for any other Husky fans.

Cool I have very near the same setup except my climber is a 200t stihl!

 

[Tree Machine]

Not enough power for me, bro, and too small a gas tank. Seconds count when you've got a crane running at a hundred and a quarter an hour.
Good saw, tho, the 200t. I've got one. Just wouldn't choose it on a crane job except for maybe emergency backup.



And I'm only replying to this thread because I hired teamtree a few years ago on contract to assist me in Indianapolis on a big job. It was the first time I'd ever hired another company. They did a great job. It was a fun experience.


For me to drive that kind of distance, it's gonna have to be one ugly, ugly, ugly kind of a tree.

Huge is a relative term.

 

[ropensaddle]

Not enough power for me, bro, and too small a gas tank. Seconds count when you've got a crane running at a hundred and a quarter an hour.
Good saw, tho, the 200t. I've got one. Just wouldn't choose it on a crane job except for maybe emergency backup.



And I'm only replying to this thread because I hired teamtree a few years ago on contract to assist me in Indianapolis on a big job. It was the first time I'd ever hired another company. They did a great job. It was a fun experience.


For me to drive that kind of distance, it's gonna have to be one ugly, ugly, ugly kind of a tree.

Huge is a relative term.

Yeah I would use my 372 for the crane work it ain't too bad to lug and starts on a dime I would likes me one of those 346xp's though now look what ya done gone and done lol! I don't suppose ya have stock in husky ehhhhhh?

 

[Tree Machine]

I don't suppose ya have stock in husky ehhhhhh?

The saws make me a lot of money, much better than having stock in the company.

I don't claim to have favorites, but the 346, once I converted from .325 pitch sprocket to 3/8 and began running the LP-type tophandle chain, WOW! The titanium bar NEVER throws a chain, and the first bar I got 15 months out of that. I'm still trying to figure out the whys to those advantages. Maybe it because I used vegetable oil for lube, I don't know. Then porting the exhaust, good gawd that saw moves.

I would recommend this setup to any professional, actually to anyone who can afford the extra cost of the bar. Swapping out the sprocket is a 5 dollar ordeal. Chains sharpen faster. 53 driver links, though, not 52 like on the smaller saw saws. Porting is a luxury, kind of, but nice.

 

[teamtree]

Tree Machine....I hope all is well in Indianapolis. We stopped going up that way a year or so ago when the fuel prices jumped to $4. Would love to work with you on a climbing job as you do know what you are doing.

Thanks for posting the video.

 

[teamtree]

Well guys....i have heard a rumor around town that another local tree company is going to take down this tree with a 17ton boom truck.

I told my dad's buddy (property owner) I would have to rent a large crane and he ask if this particular guy had a crane. I told him he has a boom truck and it would not be big enough.

Well, it seems this guy called him anyway and he is going to do the job tomorrow morning for $1000. I estimated it was going to be >$3000.
The tree is 100' and this guys boom truck will not reach the top of the tree. So I am interested in seeing how he does it. I am taking the morning off and taking my camera out to the job site and hopefully learn something.

I will know for sure tomorrow but if the rumor is true it is going to be an interesting take down with that small of a crane (boom truck).

 

[ropensaddle]

I sure could have enjoyed a crane on this tree

 

[Tree Machine]

Ewwww! That's nasty, ropen. Too small to warrant the cost of the crane, in my opinion. They charge me an hour in, an hour out. If he's coming for two or three picks, at had better be saving you a lot of distance dragging. Cranes can be an expensive 'convenience'.

I will know for sure tomorrow but if the rumor is true it is going to be an interesting take down with that small of a crane (boom truck).

A climber will rig the limbs, if they can't be bombed. The boom truck could be useful if they can get in close enough, more for getting the tonnage onto a truck than for the dismantle. In other words, more of a help in the cleanup (which can be the larger part of the whole ordeal).

Let us know.

 

[Tree Machine]

Here's a shot of the base of that crane sycamore I posted earlier.

 

[ropensaddle]

Ewwww! That's nasty, ropen. Too small to warrant the cost of the crane, in my opinion. They charge me an hour in, an hour out. If he's coming for two or three picks, at had better be saving you a lot of distance dragging. Cranes can be an expensive 'convenience'.



A climber will rig the limbs, if they can't be bombed. The boom truck could be useful if they can get in close enough, more for getting the tonnage onto a truck than for the dismantle. In other words, more of a help in the cleanup (which can be the larger part of the whole ordeal).

Let us know.

It was not as small as you are thinking it was 42"dbh and over
a hundred foot tall and overhanging and leaning toward the house!
I can't understand why they waited that long but I got all I could
off to sixty foot and winched it after binding the trunk for inevitable
chair! It had lengthy long and live limbs over the house and after
giving rigging some thought I opted for felling. Ironicly The golf course
that let me set up to fell this tree in the back ground you can see a hazard
in which a few limbs went in to! I got them out with my sand wedge though

 

[ropensaddle]

Here's a shot of the base of that crane sycamore I posted earlier.

That is a dandy I cut one several years back 65" and that
was dbh too I hate sycamores sneeze
I cut some in Carmel back in 1986 they have some trees
in that hood!

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

That is not all that bad, structurally, at least in the plane of your felling cut.

The fibers look like they broke well on the hinge, i.e. not rotten through. I'm drawing a blank here, is brown or white rot that has the better holding strength?

 

[ropensaddle]

That is not all that bad, structurally, at least in the plane of your felling cut.

The fibers look like they broke well on the hinge, i.e. not rotten through. I'm drawing a blank here, is brown or white rot that has the better holding strength?

What your not getting is I had 20 tons pull on that puppy
and the good wood was on the house side lol!

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

What your not getting is I had 20 tons pull on that puppy
and the good wood was on the house side lol!

So your saying it was nice and solid

 

[ropensaddle]

So your saying it was nice and solid

Yeah I tried to sell them on filling the cavity I mean it only extended twenty five foot lol. I just hate taking down a tree I could hug:angel:

 

[Tree Machine]

I'm drawing a blank here, is brown or white rot that has the better holding strength?[/QUOTE]The question is sort of like, which one is weak, and which one is weaker than weak?

Brown-rots selectively 'consume' the cellulose, leaving the lignin structure, which crumbles. That residual lignin is brown, hence, brown-rot. White-rots eat the lignin, leaving behind the cellulose which, without the lignin has little integrity. Livestock can eat it at that point (ruminants anyway). The remnant cellulose is white, hence, white-rot.

I get confused on this, too. Brown-rots rot the white, leaving the brown. White-rots rot the brown, leaving the white. :dizzy: You would think brown-rots would rot the brown, but common terminology confuses this.

Cellulosic (brown-rot) and lignosic (white-rot), better terms. Cellulosic digests cellulose, lignosic decays lignin. Are we confused enough yet?