Climber Needed for Huge Take Down....
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John Paul Sanborn
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That is what i thought, cellulose was stronger under compression.
It is old logger terminology, they did not know what was going on, but that it was rotten and either white or brown.
send me an address or phone number, I have some fungi pic's on my cell I'd like ID'd Mr. Mycopahge. (not that I think they are eddible)
Sean G. I'd Deadman's Fingers for me, he was not sure of these one, and did not get the other. Lost in the either.
TreeTopKid
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Yep! 372 and a new chain, and you'll be waiting for the straps to come back every time.
Bermie
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Again, which is weak and which is weaker than weak?!!
I wouldn't say cellulose stronger under compression, trees with white rots (which is remenant cellulose, all lignin gone) fall over slowly, or collapse, they can't hold the weight.
Think of it this way...like a house (at least our houses)
Lignin is the cement blocks - strength, cellulose is the reinforcing rod - flexibility.
Very broadly speaking...
A brown rot (remanant lignin) with stand up and then fail suddenly, usually snapping
A white rot (remanant cellulose) will bend and slump, failing slowly, or flop.
Mr.Roehler
ArboristSite Lurker
I am still waiting to see pictures of the tree or the take down with the boom truck.
ropensaddle
Feel Lucky
Yeah I think team said someone else got the job I was hoping to work with the team for a day or two. I was going to have my wife film it but guess it ain't going down!
John Paul Sanborn
Above average climber
I read that and forgot he posted it on the 19th. He must be on vacation since, I emailed him on the 18th to see if I won the climbing bid. Sounds like there were a dozen guys vying for the contract
Anyone near the MKE Metro area need some big tree help? I am bored with a day or two a week.
ropensaddle
Feel Lucky
I read that and forgot he posted it on the 19th. He must be on vacation since, I emailed him on the 18th to see if I won the climbing bid. Sounds like there were a dozen guys vying for the contract
Anyone near the MKE Metro area need some big tree help? I am bored with a day or two a week.
:hmm3grin2orange: now that is some funny **** right there. I would
never dream of type throats I've been duped
anyway he eitherdid not get it or was overwhelmed by a hungry mob:hmm3grin2orange:
If I ever get another impossible tree it may pay better to post it up
for bid and sip my green tea and watch the show:monkey:
Sorry guys I did not mean to leave anyone hanging....I posted that I heard a rumor that another local company was going to take the tree down for $1000. I was going do it for a friend of the family and I was going to discount the guy quite a bit but I still thought it was going to be around $3000 ($1000 for a climber, 1000 for a crane, 1000 for my ground crew). The tree is located at a cabin in which my Dad spends quite a bit of his time with his buddies. I mistakenly thought I had a lock on the job. I explained to the guy I did not want to risk my life by rigging off the tree since it was splitting and that I thought a 40 ton crane was approriate to lift the leaders out of the tree. My bucket goes about 65' and the tree is about 100-110' so that meant breaking off 35' pieces and let them slam the tree fairly close to my boom. I thought the guy who said he would do it would not be able to do it as his boom and bucket are both 65'....i thought how is that going to help in this tree....
well the guy did exactly what I did not want to do...he cut the leaders from his bucket truck at full extension using a rope and port-a-wrap. Once the limb was hanging there, he picked it with his boom truck and set it off to the side. They actually did a pretty good job on the tree but I thought it was a bit risky rigging off the tree. They had the tree down in less than 4 hours.
I watched them take the tree down and even helped a little bit with getting the wood out of the way.
Here is a pic of the tree:
well the guy did exactly what I did not want to do...he cut the leaders from his bucket truck at full extension using a rope and port-a-wrap. Once the limb was hanging there, he picked it with his boom truck and set it off to the side. They actually did a pretty good job on the tree but I thought it was a bit risky rigging off the tree. They had the tree down in less than 4 hours.
I watched them take the tree down and even helped a little bit with getting the wood out of the way.
Here is a pic of the tree:
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Again, I did not mean to 'cry wolf' and get people fired up.
I did however make the post to develop a working relationship with some professionals in the midwest and try to build a network to work with in the future.
When I came home from watching this job, I actually received a call from a potential customer (referral) and it is even more technical than this beech tree. Will get pics tomorrow of that monster.
I believe where one door closes another one opens.
I learned several things from this thread:
1. To make it more economical, I may cluster some of my big removals (climbers) together with some mid range jobs so that when JPS or Ropensaddle come to Southern Indiana...I will get to spend some time with them and make it worth their while. It is hard to charge off a day of travel in one day of work.
2. All the reponses (5 guys contacted me) I got where very serious and I am glad to get the information.
3. I should not speak before I know I got a particular job...I never would have thought anyone could do it (or would do it) without a 125' crane...and for someone to take so much risk for so little.
4. I am more interested now in working with some of you after speaking with each of you.
I did however make the post to develop a working relationship with some professionals in the midwest and try to build a network to work with in the future.
When I came home from watching this job, I actually received a call from a potential customer (referral) and it is even more technical than this beech tree. Will get pics tomorrow of that monster.
I believe where one door closes another one opens.
I learned several things from this thread:
1. To make it more economical, I may cluster some of my big removals (climbers) together with some mid range jobs so that when JPS or Ropensaddle come to Southern Indiana...I will get to spend some time with them and make it worth their while. It is hard to charge off a day of travel in one day of work.
2. All the reponses (5 guys contacted me) I got where very serious and I am glad to get the information.
3. I should not speak before I know I got a particular job...I never would have thought anyone could do it (or would do it) without a 125' crane...and for someone to take so much risk for so little.
4. I am more interested now in working with some of you after speaking with each of you.
treemandan
Tree Freak
That tree is 110 feet?
treemandan
Tree Freak
Lets say 80, cause its 80
treeslayer
Addicted to ArboristSite
Barely. A 60' work height maybe. IMHO
from the pics, this was very doable without the crane. or a bucket truck. I've climbed and rigged over a lot of broken trees, this one no problem. (at least the rootball is not compromised
)especially for a hungry crew. $1000 is hungry, but without moving the wood, could be cheaper still.
you made a good call. Because you didn't bid it low, half-a$$ it, or tear anything up cutting corners. better to lose em, than lose your a$$.
good post.
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Blakesmaster
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It's hard to tell from the pics but it looks like an easy climber. I probably wouldn't have rigged down big pieces like they did. Just would have taken it easy, little piece by little piece so as not to stress the tree too much. $1000 is extremely low though IMO.
Rftreeman
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do any of these "climber needed" threads ever work out? just curious.
Let's say 100' becuase it was 100'. Not sure why I would lie and hey I may be off 5' one way or another but I know how to add a 40' section laying on the ground to the top of a 65' working height bucket truck....but I am sure reality is just a mere word to some people.
We hauled off 6 8' sections to where the leaders took off and leaving a 3' stump. But hey...I know I am wrong and you guys are much better at looking at a pic.
I would like to argue with you guys about the height but it is just getting old with all the chest pounding going on.
It was never a question of whether it could be done any other way....my way was a crane and yes, it was done differently. I could show you a bunch of pics of a competitor doing things I would not do, like us a hook choker to lower limbs down so when the top hits the ground and the cable gets slack it could just pop off, no safety clip at all. So, for me it is a question of safety.
I am sure some of you guys don't mind taking chances on and risking your life for a little money...maybe you do it for the rush. I care about the guys I work with and I am not going to take a chance (whether it be slight or great) with their lives. This biz is pretty dangerous (288 deaths last year) the way it is and to add a big 30' crack 31" deep...nuff said for me. My wife and kids mean too much to me.
So, it really was never a question of whether it could be done another way...I just wasn't going to do it that way, I wanted a crane to eliminate the shock on the tree.
Yes, you could have spent a day and half rigging it out one small piece at a time.
It all worked out and I am glad the tree is on the ground and the owners can sleep now. The competitor did a good job on the tree and I don't necessarily condone his methods...he got the job done. I put safety above the rest and maybe that is a bad thing in this biz. There is a guy that lives down the road from me and everyone tells me he will climb any tree for a 6-pack with no rope. I don't see him with much work.
We hauled off 6 8' sections to where the leaders took off and leaving a 3' stump. But hey...I know I am wrong and you guys are much better at looking at a pic.
I would like to argue with you guys about the height but it is just getting old with all the chest pounding going on.
It was never a question of whether it could be done any other way....my way was a crane and yes, it was done differently. I could show you a bunch of pics of a competitor doing things I would not do, like us a hook choker to lower limbs down so when the top hits the ground and the cable gets slack it could just pop off, no safety clip at all. So, for me it is a question of safety.
I am sure some of you guys don't mind taking chances on and risking your life for a little money...maybe you do it for the rush. I care about the guys I work with and I am not going to take a chance (whether it be slight or great) with their lives. This biz is pretty dangerous (288 deaths last year) the way it is and to add a big 30' crack 31" deep...nuff said for me. My wife and kids mean too much to me.
So, it really was never a question of whether it could be done another way...I just wasn't going to do it that way, I wanted a crane to eliminate the shock on the tree.
Yes, you could have spent a day and half rigging it out one small piece at a time.
It all worked out and I am glad the tree is on the ground and the owners can sleep now. The competitor did a good job on the tree and I don't necessarily condone his methods...he got the job done. I put safety above the rest and maybe that is a bad thing in this biz. There is a guy that lives down the road from me and everyone tells me he will climb any tree for a 6-pack with no rope. I don't see him with much work.
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treemandan
Tree Freak
I am going by estimating the door on the shed is about 6 feet tall. How many doors gets you to the top of the tree. They are right next to each other? The door is roughly six feet? The tree is actually 72 feet tall.
That's all I am sayin though 3000 grand is what it should be , a G is what it is... I mean was.
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