crane newbie

[treevet]

You guys all know on here that noooobody has done more tree crane work or any kind of tree work than I have and at 62 I can still more than hang with the kids, ask my gm. He can't believe it. Since Mar., 6 days a week of 8 hour plus days with no misses....me doing all the climbing or whatever it takes to do any job I or anybody would get called on and never missing a beat, never turning anything down. I know more bout tree care than any of you and have paid all my dues and keep payin them....I am a treeman, not a has been or wannabe

And that's why you put up with me

and that's why you love me

and that's why you want to be just like me.

But you gotta put in those 30 or 40 or 20 more years or what ever it takes to get there. But you can't catch up to me until I die. Not plannin on that real soon.

 

[treeclimber101]

Is that tree crane work Eddy?...My first crane job in 1971, 40 years ago and prob done well over a couple thousand. But who cares when you're having fun.

Actually I don't even count tree crane work as crane work or work for that matter , I spent along time watching the pice come up and sending down and empty choker , the first tree I ever touched a tree with a crane made me laugh actually so easy and so much waiting time , I mean when when you go from a 120 pics a day to 30 things seem to slow to paint drying time ..

 

[epicklein22]

Is that tree crane work Eddy?...My first crane job in 1971, 40 years ago and prob done well over a couple thousand. But who cares when you're having fun.

Hey TV, was that crane all electric in 71? My boss was telling me about his early crane days, way back in the 70's as well. He said they were all electric and slowwww. Climb on manilla too?

 

[epicklein22]

boom is 61 ft. small I know but it sure beats the hell out of not having one at all. haven't had to do it yet but I thought about having to rope tops down to get it within the cranes reach. still not complaining tho, before a bucket truck and crane I used to have to climb everything. dice up big logs and load or chip by hand..ah the good old days

You will find all kind of ways to use that crane. If it can save your back, use it!

 

[GarethVW]

Hey another crane newbie in OH!! I just bought my first crane and got it back from having some mechanical work on the truck done. (84 Ford F800 with a national 12.5 ton crane) 65' main stick w/ jib that will put me just under 100'. I am exited and nervous to try it out. I am thankful for the good info on here to help us newbies get started in the right direction.

 

[no tree to big]

Hey another crane newbie in OH!! I just bought my first crane and got it back from having some mechanical work on the truck done. (84 Ford F800 with a national 12.5 ton crane) 65' main stick w/ jib that will put me just under 100'. I am exited and nervous to try it out. I am thankful for the good info on here to help us newbies get started in the right direction.

be aware that a 12.5 ton crane with about 35' of jib will be almost usless at that point and I would highly advise agaist using the jibs to make picks unless they are very very tiny the only time I am aware of the jib on our small (12 or 14 ton) crane being used was to pick trimmings out of a backyard because we couldn't get them out of the yard with out going through the house otherwise that thing was maxed with like 4-500 pounds with both jibs on it thing looked like it needed some viagra or something...

 

[oldirty]

looked like it needed some viagra or something...

much like tv if he even wants a wiggle from that shriveled up thumb poking out his pubes.

hey gayve, all them 40 years of huff'n 2 stroke and diesel exhaust has seem to gotten to ya or its your early onset alzheimer's... i done told you i been a part of taking trees down via crane for like 14 years now minus a few years at a craneless company. 10 yr climber.

and also regarding the the CA. it is a load of horseshat used for those that can't excel in the effort so they use an easy test to pad their stats. hell man i know of a ctsp with double arb cert looking for work as we speak. why? cause he couldn't do the work.

even though you wanted the truce and i never accepted the cease fire is off. keep posting your hackery proving that 40 yrs of experience ain't sh it or means ****. you a stiff old man.

got a hard hat yet?

 

[Reg]

Multi tie ins that Reg thinks he invented as "spider legs" lol, did that in 1971.

Dave, W T F are you going on about now?

That silly term 'spider-legs' has nothing to do with me. I just designed a bag to pack them in....nothing more. If they were banned from use tomorrow I honestly wouldn't bat an eyelid.....expept for the loss of bag sales perhaps.

The truth is I probably use singles way more than most....sometimes just to see the look on peoples (other climbers) faces who cant comprehend that kind of control, and remind them of the gap that exists between them and I.

And when they asked me how am I able to do that with such self assurance of course I tell them its practice so not to appear arrogant.....but the truth is its ablility, not time served. Same reason why most of our champions of either sport or game are young men, and rarely over 40.

FWIW I know lots of guys who've been doing treework since the 60's and 70's....I'm guessing they were $hit at it then as evidently they still are now. No offense

I'd admire your ever-competitive spirit, but it seems you've been going way too far with it more recently. Not every topic has to be a fight about who's done this and that. Ease up a little:msp_thumbup:

 

[superjunior]

Hey another crane newbie in OH!! I just bought my first crane and got it back from having some mechanical work on the truck done. (84 Ford F800 with a national 12.5 ton crane) 65' main stick w/ jib that will put me just under 100'. I am exited and nervous to try it out. I am thankful for the good info on here to help us newbies get started in the right direction.

congrats on your new machine! pics? some solid advice/warnings and things to think about in this thread, other then the old timers squabelling :smile2:

 

[treevet]

The truth is I probably use singles way more than most....sometimes just to see the look on peoples

(other climbers) faces who cant comprehend that kind of control, and remind them of the gap that exists between them and I.

Just maybe it is you that should lighten up a bit. Everyone (novices) look all starry eyed at your vids as you portray yourself as someone that does stuff on your movies that no one else does or......"does them on another level from the rest". In reality, everyone does them this way that is any good, and your heavily edited vids with huge time lapses are very misleading. Almost as much as that high speed piece of fiction on pine removals produced by the Marquis Tree Company.

FWIW I know lots of guys who've been doing treework since the 60's and 70's....I'm guessing they were $hit at it then as evidently they still are now. No offense

I know plenty of guys that do takedowns all their lives on spikes that aren't worth a rat's ass for anything else too. No offense.

Don't let that mean ole crane op get ya down Reggo. cheers

 

[treevet]

Hey TV, was that crane all electric in 71? My boss was telling me about his early crane days, way back in the 70's as well. He said they were all electric and slowwww. Climb on manilla too?

No man, they were gas, and I'd still climb on manilla if someone gave me a length of it.

 

[Reg]

The truth is I probably use singles way more than most....sometimes just to see the look on peoples

Just maybe it is you that should lighten up a bit. Everyone (novices) look all starry eyed at your vids as you portray yourself as someone that does stuff on your movies that no one else does or......"does them on another level from the rest". In reality, everyone does them this way that is any good, and your heavily edited vids with huge time lapses are very misleading. Almost as much as that high speed piece of fiction on pine removals produced by the Marquis Tree Company.



I know plenty of guys that do takedowns all their lives on spikes that aren't worth a rat's ass for anything else too. No offense.

Don't let that mean ole crane op get ya down Reggo. cheers

No Dave you're wrong, I wasn't refering to videos in any shape or form....I'm talking about on the job, where I've worked with hundreds of rival climbers over the years.

You keep refering to edited videos....well of course they're edited, I only get 15 mins (used to be 10) on youtube. What do you want me to do, fill up the time showing the saws being gassed, me scratching my balls perhaps?

The slinging, pre-loading and cutting....thats what I try to show and is the most critical aspect from a climbers point-of-view I'd think. Stop going on about videos for fck sake....along with photos I make a little money and they add some visual examples on the net, instead of mere 'talk' of the fish that got away.

Just found out that crane op works with lots of people in town, so he and I might have to find some middle ground somewhere.

Edit: and Dave, when and where did I ever lay claim to be doing stuff that nobody else does???

 

[treevet]

sometimes just to see the look on peoples (other climbers) faces who cant comprehend that kind of control, and remind them of the gap that exists between them and I.
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right here for one.

Also....I have seen maybe 50 or a hundred of your vids over the years and don't think I have ever seen you move from point a to point b. Maybe do a vid in real time sometime....that is reality isn't it.

 

[Reg]

right here for one.

Also....I have seen maybe 50 or a hundred of your vids over the years and don't think I have ever seen you move from point a to point b. Maybe do a vid in real time sometime....that is reality isn't it.

No Dave, read what it says again. When have I ever said that I do stuff that nobody else is doing?

You want to see a video of me moving from a to b? lol....what for, that would be boring as hell wouldn't it:msp_biggrin:....for most people at least. Maybe you should go to the comps or a rec climb Dave....lots of climbing to watch there.

 

[treevet]

No Dave, read what it says again. When have I ever said that I do stuff that nobody else is doing?

You want to see a video of me moving from a to b? lol....what for, that would be boring as hell wouldn't it:msp_biggrin:....for most people at least. Maybe you should go to the comps or a rec climb Dave....lots of climbing to watch there.

I think you made my point. You not doing anything or on any level above what a top level climber is doing and they are all over the place. I am still easily one at 62 and whatever you can do....I can do and do it on a daily basis. (cept maybe make those flashy videos lol).

As for all the best atheletes being under 40.....is that maybe your assessment cause you be 39? You no spring chicken yourself.umpkin2:

Gotta get back to work, lunch is over, its been a hoot....boss man give you the day off today? Make hay while the sunshines son, gonna get cold up there soon.

 

[TreEmergencyB]

Don't ride the hook? You me make sure you have a good attachment point above the ball?

ya ride the ball not the actual hook itself

 

[tree MDS]

ya ride the ball not the actual hook itself

Definitely safer. Although "riding the ball" does sound pretty gay.

 

[Reg]

I think you made my point. You not doing anything or on any level above what a top level climber is doing and they are all over the place. I am still easily one at 62 and whatever you can do....I can do and do it on a daily basis. (cept maybe make those flashy videos lol).

As for all the best atheletes being under 40.....is that maybe your assessment cause you be 39? You no spring chicken yourself.umpkin2:

Gotta get back to work, lunch is over, its been a hoot....boss man give you the day off today? Make hay while the sunshines son, gonna get cold up there soon.

Not sure even you know what your point is Dave....except shouting off at how great you are at every opportunity, totally unprovoked. Why do you keep doing that of late?

Carry on all you like but in future please leave my name out of the equation. Never once in public have I either comparably or discreditably challenged Dave Shaw or anyone else's character in such a way.

Also, FWIW I haven't had a sole boss in 18 years....throughout the period I generally work for several companies at a time. I'm certified, equipped and insured. Nobody is obliged to hire me, but it appears they choose to do so to speed up production. But whichever 'boss' I represent on a given day I try to do so with the up-most pride and professionalism....and I'd like to think the respect is mutual, we all just generally want to keep the work coming in.

39, 40, 66....makes no odds to me, I'll continue to do my best in the job wherever it takes me next. Canada is my 4th country of residence, each being quite a contrast in both culture and treework thus far.....strengthening a particular discipline, being that I'll never, even at 62, allow myself to believe that I have seen, done and know it all. To reach that stage would feel like I had truly lost something....but hey that's just me.

whatever was the origin of this thread, Im sorry for my part in the derail.

 

[treevet]

Not sure even you know what your point is Dave

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I think I made a few points Reg.

I'm certified, equipped and

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You are a Certified Arborist?

 

[Reg]

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I think I made a few points Reg.

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You are a Certified Arborist?

‘Point of’ Dave? perhaps ‘motive’ would have been a more accurate description on what I meant. Why would you drag my name up in a thread that I had nothing prior to do with and wrongly suggest that I laid claim to some craning technique, which ironically has nothing to do with what the thread was about. Please show me where I ever made any such claim?

Furthermore, you continually trying to cast doubt about the videos that I have on the net, saying this and that is easy and footage favourably edited etc....And no matter how many times now that I’ve explained to you that I’m only trying to cram in as much as I can of what really counts, which is widely accepted by most, you instead insinuate that I have something to hide....like your earlier statement that you’ve never seen me move around the tree in a video....the whole time reminding me at every opportunity how you’ve been there and done it time over.....regardless of the fact that I never disputed or even asked you the question. What is the ‘motive’ behind all this?

And while we’re on the subject of videos Dave, one might ask why you would make a video of half a dozen little ash logs repeatedly just hanging in open space, just the other day? Don’t answer that....I’d sooner go on believing that you really do have quite the sense of humour after all!

About 10 years ago I figured I’d better get some theoretical quals to complement the practical skills. The ISA does have a chapter in the UK and Ireland but carries very little weight. You can still buy the study guide and take the exam, same as in the US and elsewhere....but having researched it more, past exam papers included, decided that I could commit to something with a little more depth. I instead opted for the RFS cert Arb which demanded at least a day a week school attendance, several practical assessments i.e. planting, pruning, spraying, maintenance, climbing, chainsaws, first aid etc, at additional costs....followed by the written exam at the end of the year. I obviously had a huge advantage in the practical stuff and managed to pass the written exam also....but the whole thing ran into thousands over that period. Worth it though on my part.

I went on to study for the AA Technicians cert which is more consultancy level, and which I admittedly found very tough, not being an academic. But I learned lots, had a great teacher Mr Dave Dowson at Treelife, and did manage to scrape through and pass the written exam.

However, I failed the second part, the Management Exercises. Woodland and Construction Site surveys....I just wasn’t fast or practiced enough with the pen. I had the knowledge but clearly not the exam technique to finish in time. My Tree and P&D knowledge held firm under scrutiny, but I just wasn’t up to speed in completing the other stuff. I could still take that other test with the view to being better prepared, but there’s obviously been lots of water under the bridge since then so that opportunity is pretty much dead and buried. Haven’t thought about all that in ages.