Crappy Stihl Cylinder - Looks like ChiCom Garbage!!!

[THALL10326]

One question. Do you think its fair for two customers to pay the same for the same saw, one has Mahale, and one has a cheaper Brazil cylinder. I don't , but my 1 opinion won' amount to much to Stihl.

Awwwwwwwwww grasshopper there lies another assumtion, is the Brazil cylinder really cheaper, I don't know, do you? I doult very seriously with the amount of cylinders Stihl buys from Mahle they cost them a arm and leg. That was a good question though, sorry I can't answer it without some numbers, not assumtions.

 

[THALL10326]

cripe how long it take you to type that. At least there's not to many big words in there.

Bout 5 minutes, how long did it take you to read it,LOLOL

 

[blsnelling]

So Tom. How does using a rope instead of a piston stop cause the rod of a 180 to be bent when removing the flywheel nut with a scrench? I would honestly like to hear it from a pro. This was hashed out in detail when it happened, and the only thing I remember is some that said using too little and leaving the piston too high in the bore would put extra load on the rod. That piston stop looks pretty thin, so that can't be it.

 

[HimWill]

Bout 5 minutes, how long did it take you to read it,LOLOL

Rock on Tom,they ain't gotcha yet!!

 

[mowoodchopper]

You're right Tom. It's easy for me to take this stuff too personal. As you stated, our objectives are clearly different. It's simply a matter of principle to me. I know as well as you do that this P&C would likely live a long happy life. I also know that my porting would remove nearly every flaw I've pointed out. But as I've stated, that's all besides the facts to me. The quality if this casting sucks. That's all I've said, that's all I'm saying.

And it's not just a cylinder to me. It's one tiny piece that's exemplary of what I percieve to be the declining quality of Stihl OPE. You can't deny that. The difference in opinions only comes in when you decide whether or not you care about anything besides performance. I do. I think most do. That's it in a nut shell. Plain and simple.

:agree2: Just have to put my 2 cents in ! I have read most of this thread and I have to say I agree with Brad on this. I don't really know Brad but it is evident to me he is just stating facts. As far as Trying to take stihl down I don't believe that! I also grew up with stihls and own 1 now and that is because I don't think they are the saw they used to be. And I know the huskys and dolmars have changed to, but for me the stihls have slipped the most in quality, For all you die hard stihl guys that's great, It takes stihl, husky and dolmar guys to keep them all in business. And as far as the cyl in ? there is no reason to comment, its all in the pics! As for the big pissing match I think to many are worried about putting the other guy down and don't even remember what they are arguing about!

 

[THALL10326]

So Tom. How does using a rope instead of a piston stop cause the rod of a 180 to be bent when removing the flywheel nut with a scrench? I would honestly like to hear it from a pro. This was hashed out in detail when it happened, and the only thing I remember is some that said using too little and leaving the piston too high in the bore would put extra load on the rod. That piston stop looks pretty thin, so that can't be it.

Easy Brad, the piston stop is a certain thickness, your rope is not, it flattens under pressure, the piston stop does not. With the piston stop the rod, piston and crank are standing striaght up at its strongest point. You would have to mash the rod instead of bending to make it fail. With the rope you can't be certain exactly what position the crank, rod and piston are due to the rope flattening out. Take a piece of metal and put it on a angle and apply force it will bend. Take that same piece of metal and stand it striaght up and try to mash it striaght down, almost impossible.

I'm heading to bed Brad but as you can see regardless of who said what or how things are precieved it does not matter to me, I will jump right in and help you with a question best I can and argue with you 5 minutes later, it is as I said, nothing personal at all. Niters...

 

[edisto]

I agree it does look horrible, but lets see what it will do. Will it last, and for how long. If were going to call it out, lets prove the hypothesis. And the Hypothesis is: The cylinder looks like junk, so therfore it cannot last. Lets see what it can do

You don't prove hypotheses, you support or refute them. But that's a different story...

Speaking of different stories: this story isn't about whether it will run. Never was, except when THALL started looking for a way out. This should have been a short story: once upon a time Brad said "Wow! This cylinder looks like crap." THALL said, "I hate to admit it, but it does." The end.

All you need to do is a thought experiment. Does quality craftsmanship produce a cylinder that will last longer? If you think the answer is no, then why pay the big bucks for a Stihl? If you think the answer is yes, then why does this turd have the Stihl name on it?

 

[Jtheo]

You don't prove hypotheses, you support or refute them. But that's a different story...

Speaking of different stories: this story isn't about whether it will run. Never was, except when THALL started looking for a way out. This should have been a short story: once upon a time Brad said "Wow! This cylinder looks like crap." THALL said, "I hate to admit it, but it does."

All you need to do is a thought experiment. Does quality craftsmanship produce a cylinder that will last longer? If you think the answer is no, then why pay the big bucks for a Stihl? If you think the answer is yes, then why does this turd have the Stihl name on it?

x10 Best post yet on this thread:agree2:

 

[Jtheo]

I did not lay down $579 plus tax for a 361 because I didn't care whether the saw had a Mahle cylinder or some piece of **** from Brazil.

If I wanted junk, I would have bought a saw made in China. Then I would know I had junk, and some money left over.

 

[mowoodchopper]

I dont think the piston stop vs rope really pans out. No matter what position the piston is in when you crank the flywheel it still puts a straight line force on the rod the only diff would be the force on the crank itself. As far as the angle, the rod is not at a severe angle it can only move the width of the bore which isnt much on a saw that size. If you you lay the rod on its side and hit it in the middle ok thats gonna break or bend it as with any rod but the rope method I dont think puts any more stress than the piston stop if it does it would be very minimal. If the rod fails that easy its inferior no matter how you look at it! The only way I can see the rod would have more stress is if it were pivoting in the middle or touching the cyl and its not its just 2 ends pressure from one direction no matter how you look at it!

 

[ropensaddle]

Wow, I am speechless I have seen better jugs on briggs and crappin I knew there was a reason I liked my husky's I almost want to dissemble Ms 200tt To see the quality.















































So can we summarize by saying Stihl#1 junk saw?

 

[mowoodchopper]

The stihl vs dolmar vs husky thing is just like the old chevy vs ford deal!

The chevy guys have known all along which is best, the ford guys wont figure it out untill they buy a chevy!

Just giving you stihl guys a hard time, Stihl has had alot of good saws and even though they are not near as good as they used to be or even close to a dolmar! They still have one or two that are decent!

One more thing, the more I think about it the piston stop vs rope thing is out there , I dont think it makes a bit of diff, the rod is not bolted solid at either end and is the same length no matter what. I think that is a myth and its busted,,, the rod pivots on each end same pressure on rod no matter what position the crank is in!! If the rod was bolted solid on one end the angle would make a diff not in this situation.

 

[ropensaddle]

The stihl vs dolmar vs husky thing is just like the old chevy vs ford deal!

The chevy guys have known all along which is best, the ford guys wont figure it out untill they buy a chevy!

Just giving you stihl guys a hard time, Stihl has had alot of good saws and even though they are not near as good as they used to be or even close to a dolmar! They still have one or two that are decent!

Welp ya know a true story comes to mind here: I used to be a chevy man and I pushed around in them had six chevelles and one impala ss all failed then I got and old henry I hated it but I drove that old 67 swb for near ten years and sold it running! I then became a ford man until buying a new f 250 and it leaving me stranded twice in under 50000 miles and traded for a new dodge time will tell if it was the right choice. Imho nothing beats a real henry the old fords rock tough as nails I have a 66 f250 I drive now that I would put against anything built today. I have a 72 bronco I feel near the same about and a 78 f 350 that is in my project list old fords and husky's rule.

 

[mowoodchopper]

Welp ya know a true story comes to mind here: I used to be a chevy man and I pushed around in them had six chevelles and one impala ss all failed then I got and old henry I hated it but I drove that old 67 swb for near ten years and sold it running! I then became a ford man until buying a new f 250 and it leaving me stranded twice in under 50000 miles and traded for a new dodge time will tell if it was the right choice. Imho nothing beats a real henry the old fords rock tough as nails I have a 66 f250 I drive now that I would put against anything built today. I have a 72 bronco I feel near the same about and a 78 f 350 that is in my project list old fords and husky's rule.

I dont agree with ya but thats ok!! I used to be a chevy man then bought a ford f350 diesel,

Im still a chevy man, my old 74 will bury the ford someday!

But thats ok you can have the fords Ill take the chevys, there both broke so who gives a :censored:

 

[ropensaddle]

I dont agree with ya but thats ok!! I used to be a chevy man then bought a ford f350 diesel,

Im still a chevy man, my old 74 will bury the ford someday!

But thats ok you can have the fords Ill take the chevys, there both broke so who gives a :censored:

I would agree however that old henry did not break 10 years and sold it running only thing changed was alternator!

 

[pgg]

All I can say is I'm glad all my stihls aren't the latest models. Declining quality always f**n sucks but seems it's accepted as normal today

 

[husq2100]

ok i havent read all 56 pages, i got about 7 in and had to grab my life jacket..... i think it looks crappy, i also think it will last and do the job it ment to. i think that it is not cool on a top dollar pro saw.

this is not the first time a 08-09 stihl has come into question. TW and others have noted big differences in casting and port timing on 260,440 and 660.

my way of thinking is that these saws dont have a long production life left and that the economics isnt there to spend on top qualaity castings etc as they wont get a return....

at the end of the day, stihl is a company and there number 1 goal is to turn a profit, there number 2 goal is........to turn a profit....everything eles comes after that, and is governed by that...

dont get all emotional about your favourite brand and that they wouldnt do that to you.....your only bs'n yourselves....

id be worried if the 441 and latest long range models are looking just as crap.

Serg

ps alot have said of the latest solo's like the 681's how beautifull the finish and casting is on the jugs.....id say they have the advantage of a brand new mold.

 

[stipes]

Wow!!! That is unreal...I never would have expected to see something like that on a 260 pro...I hope that was a fluke,,just someone at the factory had a bad day and that one just slipped by...It happens sometimes...
What really worried me about that picture,,,scratches,,and the Ni.. chips...Did the flaking off cause that and spitted out,,and would it flak off more the longer you run it down the road???Was it chipped off from takin a hit from a worker puttin it together or poor adhesion???
I'm not gonna load the wagon before I hitch up the mules and give stihl the benifit of the doubt on this and wait for some ansewrs,,,just wondered how that got by the qc inspector...

 

[ropensaddle]

Wow!!! That is unreal...I never would have expected to see something like that on a 260 pro...I hope that was a fluke,,just someone at the factory had a bad day and that one just slipped by...It happens sometimes...
What really worried me about that picture,,,scratches,,and the Ni.. chips...Did the flaking off cause that and spitted out,,and would it flak off more the longer you run it down the road???Was it chipped off from takin a hit from a worker puttin it together or poor adhesion???
I'm not gonna load the wagon before I hitch up the mules and give stihl the benifit of the doubt on this and wait for some ansewrs,,,just wondered how that got by the qc inspector...

prolly the same guy that designed those flippy caps:monkey:

 

[bookerdog]

Rock on Tom,they ain't gotcha yet!!

He was down and out long time go HimWill. Don't come to bat if ya don't want to play with the big boys.