Crappy Stihl Cylinder - Looks like ChiCom Garbage!!!

[Andyshine77]

What a thread, where do I start?

Obviously the cylinder is sub par to say the least, and I would expect better from Stihl.

Someone offered to buy the cylinder from Brad, than when he accepted the offer he was shot down for doing so. Why? Did anyone really think he would just give the cylinder away, than pay out of pocket to replace it when Stihl should replace it for free because it's defective, and yes to me that cylinder is defective.

And man what is it with dealers? they just don't get it yet. If you let this crap continue, things will only get worse, not better. This goes for all dealers not just Stihl dealers.

I've also seen brad work and he does good work, anyone who says otherwise is just pointing fingers to try and make him look bad. That's just the way it goes on these forums, it's happen before and it will happen again. The rod and piston on that 180 is pathetic, I don't care how it happened, when I see junk I know it.

I'm just telling it how it is, nothing more nothing less.

 

[bookerdog]

Bout 5 minutes, how long did it take you to read it,LOLOL

Once I got past the propaganda about 3,4 sec. LOL

 

[stipes]

Gotta say my thought on this also...
I hope that was a fluke that went by,,and if this wasnt,,I always been a big Stihl fan,,but to me my love is always the old school Mcculloch's....If this is what is becomin of Stihls,,it tells me the love of money is better than their pride of making a good product for the money you spend for it..
You get a old mac you look at the bottom of them,,they will have a stamp,,a qc # and who passed it...I think in my eyes profit vers. quality is going to be the trend now days,,and damn sad ......
I work for a company here in Richmond that makes power cable for power plants,,railroad,,ect..I work as a mech. craftsman,,,been a journeyman tool and die maker since 1986....Seen shortcuts took and the older production workers raised hell about ,,upper management wouldnt listen to them and it came back and bit the comapny in the butt...almost 1 million dollars of re work came back....Just glad it was caught in time or I would be lookin for another job now....
Just a thought,,if it would save 25 dollars a saw,,just a thought as I say this cause i dont know ,,but how much profit would you get per shift and pushing lets say 100 saws a hour,,take that with 24 hours a day if you work a 3- 8 hour shifts,,5 days a week...It does add up.......
All and all....I hope Stihl realize,,as alot of us on AS have a few Stihl saws in our stable...When we pull a Stihl out to do work for someone and they say,thats a damn nice saw,,,or is it going to become they say nothing and think to themself thats a piece of #### he got....Thats what happened to Mcculloch my friends....Went cheep and see what happened to them.......

 

[Wild Knight]

Must of been all night, he can only type with one finger.

Now that's funny...

 

[spike60]

And man what is it with dealers? they just don't get it yet. If you let this crap continue, things will only get worse, not better. This goes for all dealers not just Stihl dealers.

What, we're all the same?

Andy, you ought to do some reading before you lump us all together.

 

[Wild Knight]

Homework

OK, seems the consensus is that quality is failing. While this may not directly affect the performance of Brad's 260, it is a indication that Stihl might be going down a failing path, which will eventually lead to poor reliability down the road.

So, Stihlheads, you have homework today. I want you to all copy Brad's photos and put them in a Word document or PDF. Then, write your own captions to what you think is wrong with the machining work (possibly materials) on the particular part in the photo. Then, send the document off to:

[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]


Don't make it a whiny complaining email. Don't threaten to leave as a customer. Just put in the facts and let Stihl know you are unhappy with failing quality control. There is strength in numbers. I am not naive to think it may change anything, but doing something is better than just complaining.

Thanks for the pics Brad.

 

[Wild Knight]

Interesting link about how they build their motors:

http://www.stihl.com/werksfuehrung/default.htm

 

[weimedog]

What a thread, where do I start?

Obviously the cylinder is sub par to say the least, and I would expect better from Stihl.


And man what is it with dealers? they just don't get it yet. If you let this crap continue, things will only get worse, not better. This goes for all dealers not just Stihl dealers.

I've also seen brad work and he does good work, anyone who says otherwise is just pointing fingers to try and make him look bad. That's just the way it goes on these forums, it's happen before and it will happen again. The rod and piston on that 180 is pathetic, I don't care how it happened, when I see junk I know it.

I'm just telling it how it is, nothing more nothing less.

Dealers are supported by their choosen companies distribution channels which are in turn supported by their companies manufacturing & QA processes. Statistically I'm certain there are good and bad as with all things human. Ultimately the manufacturing process is either good or not and the QA is either good or not. By the time something like that cylinder gets to the dealers there have been several break downs in the manufacturing and QA upstream.

One cylinder sneaking thru should not be a reason to completely give up on Stihl or any other company. Its going to happen occasionally to any company....but if this turns into a trend, then you may be seeing the effects of descisions upstream of a company feeling the pressure of both the economy and the competition. Time will tell and all the dealer pressure won't make one bit of difference because its too late at that point.

Either way, to this point in time its appears to be an anomoly not a trend so this really isn't helping anything or anyone. Untill there is an increase in reports of Stilhs having failures because of sub-par castings..this is just smoke.

(Although this is an anomoly, I love the attempts already to define whats serviceable to justify a potential sub-par manufacturing and QA processes...shades of those "perception of quality" seminars GM put on in the 1990's. Where does that line of discussion put those who go there on the credibility scale?)

 

[mowoodchopper]

One cylinder sneaking thru should not be a reason to completely give up on Stihl or any other company. Its going to happen occasionally to any company....but if this turns into a trend, then you may be seeing the effects of descisions upstream of a company feeling the pressure of both the economy and the competition. Time will tell and all the dealer pressure won't make one bit of difference because its too late at that point. quote;





Just one comment! 1 cyl sneaking through LOL ! That cyl had to more than sneak through it is complete junk you could see that from the messed up cooling fins let alone looking inside. I dont know how many people see a saw as its built but more than one and no one caught it? Im not buying it!!!

 

[Woodie]

Dear Tom:

How you see yourself:

Dear Woodie I am not dancing , I'm calling it as I see it.

How others see you:

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[blsnelling]

Easy Brad, the piston stop is a certain thickness, your rope is not, it flattens under pressure, the piston stop does not. With the piston stop the rod, piston and crank are standing striaght up at its strongest point. You would have to mash the rod instead of bending to make it fail. With the rope you can't be certain exactly what position the crank, rod and piston are due to the rope flattening out. Take a piece of metal and put it on a angle and apply force it will bend. Take that same piece of metal and stand it striaght up and try to mash it striaght down, almost impossible.

I'm heading to bed Brad but as you can see regardless of who said what or how things are precieved it does not matter to me, I will jump right in and help you with a question best I can and argue with you 5 minutes later, it is as I said, nothing personal at all. Niters...

Thanks for the info Tom.

 

[mowoodchopper]

What a thread, where do I start?

Obviously the cylinder is sub par to say the least, and I would expect better from Stihl.

Someone offered to buy the cylinder from Brad, than when he accepted the offer he was shot down for doing so. Why? Did anyone really think he would just give the cylinder away, than pay out of pocket to replace it when Stihl should replace it for free because it's defective, and yes to me that cylinder is defective.

And man what is it with dealers? they just don't get it yet. If you let this crap continue, things will only get worse, not better. This goes for all dealers not just Stihl dealers.

I've also seen brad work and he does good work, anyone who says otherwise is just pointing fingers to try and make him look bad. That's just the way it goes on these forums, it's happen before and it will happen again. The rod and piston on that 180 is pathetic, I don't care how it happened, when I see junk I know it.

I'm just telling it how it is, nothing more nothing less.

:agree2: Gotta say Andy hit the nail on the head !! There is NO excuse for the 180 rod, or the 260 cyl ! Its all hog wash and excuses !!!

 

[THALL10326]

Dear Tom:

How you see yourself:


How others see you:

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Dear Woodie you prove my point 100%, you have nothing to offer, completely clueless except to come in and have fun, I'm game and now lets let the fun begin, lets see how much you can take, hows work Woodie? Do you wish you had been working at Stihl instead of Ford, lets see how much that gut of yours can take now ole boy and don't get mad because I'm having my fun just like you,:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

 

[edisto]

OK, seems the consensus is that quality is failing. While this may not directly affect the performance of Brad's 260, it is a indication that Stihl might be going down a failing path, which will eventually lead to poor reliability down the road.

So, Stihlheads, you have homework today. I want you to all copy Brad's photos and put them in a Word document or PDF. Then, write your own captions to what you think is wrong with the machining work (possibly materials) on the particular part in the photo. Then, send the document off to:

[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

Now THAT'S the sensible response I would have expected 800 or so posts ago. Well done.

Like THALL said, they aren't concerned about customers who tear down their saws because it's a small proportion of their sales. Letting them know that you care about quality might not make a difference, but you will find out where Stihl stands these days.

I'm going to the basement to pat my 076.

 

[edisto]

Dear Woodie you prove my point 100%

I thought you made a point of avoiding the point?

 

[epicklein22]

What a thread, where do I start?

Obviously the cylinder is sub par to say the least, and I would expect better from Stihl.

Someone offered to buy the cylinder from Brad, than when he accepted the offer he was shot down for doing so. Why? Did anyone really think he would just give the cylinder away, than pay out of pocket to replace it when Stihl should replace it for free because it's defective, and yes to me that cylinder is defective.

And man what is it with dealers? they just don't get it yet. If you let this crap continue, things will only get worse, not better. This goes for all dealers not just Stihl dealers.

I've also seen brad work and he does good work, anyone who says otherwise is just pointing fingers to try and make him look bad. That's just the way it goes on these forums, it's happen before and it will happen again. The rod and piston on that 180 is pathetic, I don't care how it happened, when I see junk I know it.

I'm just telling it how it is, nothing more nothing less.

Good to see you speak your mind. Now I am gonna chime in on it. Nothing personal man!

This is not Brad's problem!!! This is not his saw. Ship it back to the owner and let him do the warranty work. Brad refused to work on it, which is fine. Ship it back and tell him you don't feel comfortable moddin' it.

Sub par? Definitely. Defective? Hardly. We don't even know how it ran.

"When I see junk I know it" Guess it took a while for that 5100 of yours to be called junk. Same thing with that 346 that was giving you problems. As far as we know, that cylinder doesn't look pretty and has a chip. Other than that, we know nothing else about it. Let's not jump to conclusions. Hopefully stihl takes a look in the mirror and realizes that their equipment needs to look as good as it functions.

I love how everyone claims that Stihl charges a premium price. Hardly, if 30 to 50 bucks is a premium price, give me a break. The only company that really has good prices on certain saws is Redmax. People buy these saws on the internet thinking they are getting a deal. Factor in shipping and the price difference is moot. Talk to your dealer about price, get a freebie thrown in. Are you really gonna pay the kind of money people ask for Efco's or Echo's? Just about every saw available out there are priced closely to any stihl saws in the same category. The 260 is the only stihl saw that is costs vastly more than the competitors. Options are great and I love checking out all saws, but Stihl's don't cost a premium price!!!

 

[Woodie]

I thought you made a point of avoiding the point?

Outstanding, edisto!!

GROUND CONTROL TO MAJOR TOM!!!

:hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[edisto]

Sub par? Definitely. Defective? Hardly. We don't even know how it ran.

Are you really gonna pay the kind of money people ask for Efco's or Echo's?

This is the logic that I don't understand. The first statement suggests that the Efco and Echos are worth the money as long as they run.

It seems to boil down for some that: "yes it's crap, but it's Stihl crap, so it must be good crap."

Crap is crap...producing a quality product in the past should not give you a free pass to produce crap...but apparently it does with some people.

 

[spike60]

We're down to 10 members viewing; even The Perfect Storm eventually blew itself out.

 

[epicklein22]

This is the logic that I don't understand. The first statement suggests that the Efco and Echos are worth the money as long as they run.

It seems to boil down for some that: "yes it's crap, but it's Stihl crap, so it must be good crap."

Crap is crap...producing a quality product in the past should not give you a free pass to produce crap...but apparently it does with some people.

You factor in everything that is considered when buying a saw and tell me stihl isn't gonna win compared to those 2 other companies!! Stihl products are hard to turn down when everything is factored in. Come to Ohio and talk to the loggers, tree guys, landscapers. They will tell you why they run what they run. Nobody that I know around here is afraid to try another product if it is the better that what stihl offers in the class. Lots of brands being used around here, but the majority is Stihl. I wonder why?

I run a majority of stihl products, but I am not afraid or bias to own or try another saw. MY 262xp is way better than a 361 IMO. The 026 is a nice saw (great design), but it is slow compared to the others on the market and pricey. I bought my 270 over a 350 husky, I just liked the stihl better.