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Rod, you make a rather bizarre comparison here. How can you compare chain saws and aircraft engines? More silly is that you are comparing an aircraft engine brand with 3 dealers to Stihl with 8000 dealers. What's exclusive about 8000 independent dealers?

How long ago was your aircraft engine experience? Are you going to carry this grudge around for the rest of your life?

And how is it in the interest of the consumer for products to be sold by retailers who offer no service and have no parts?

Well said. Besides...if Jabiru made such a good engine why aren't there more of them? Probably because of limited availability, limited number of aircraft that will be compatible with them, and a real limited TBO. Kinda like buying a Poulan and complaining because they're not up to snuff. If you buy junk you got junk....pure and simple. Quality costs. And quality pays off in the long run...whether is Stihl or Husky or Lycoming or Pratt and Whitney.
 
Well said. Besides...if Jabiru made such a good engine why aren't there more of them? Probably because of limited availability, limited number of aircraft that will be compatible with them, and a real limited TBO. Kinda like buying a Poulan and complaining because they're not up to snuff. If you buy junk you got junk....pure and simple. Quality costs. And quality pays off in the long run...whether is Stihl or Husky or Lycoming or Pratt and Whitney.

My dad had over 8000 flying hours as a pilot in the USAF, most of them with Pratt and Whitney recips. His favorite engine...R2800
 
25 miles apart for Stihl dealers?.. heck, there must be 30 in that same radius around here! And it's not just Stihl dealers that have to compete against each other, but against all other brands.
 
If not for you ole boy I wouldn't mention this but beings you and me like to torment each other over who is No.1, who drinks the most beer, who has the prettiest socks, who forgot to flush the toilet, who left the water on, I have come to settle it once and for all.

Today at 4:30pm a man and his wife came in to buy a chainsaw. They had just bought 30 acres and they are going to thin out the woods. The man has made up his mind he wants a MS460. He claims they have some big wood to take down. The wife on the other hand is buying it for him. She has done all the research online and she really seemed to know more than him. At the rack I hand him the 460 to look at. She tells me she has studied up on the web about Stihl and Husqvarna. She knew the equal models as well. She says to me how does Husqvarna rate. I said they are a very good brand of saw. He is playing with the 460 and she is asking more questions about Husqvarna. I said in this area about the only place near by you can buy a Husqvarna is Sears or Lowes, there are no local dealers in Leesburg. The man goes what, they sell their saws at Sears and Lowes. I said yes they do. They inquired about Stihl and I said Stihl is dealer only. He tells his wife thats it, we're getting a Stihl, period. She goes I didn't realize that they sold their saws in Sears and Lowes and yes we're getting a Stihl. They spent $900.00 and away they went with their new 460 and odds and ends to go with it.

So there ya have it Manual, I told ya to quit bunching Husqvarna with those other lower brands. You wouldn't listen and now you see why its not good to do so. The jury today finds you quilty of bunching the good Husky brand with all those other less brands which cost Husky a sale today. You are hereby fined $5.00 court costs but Judge Thall is gonna suspend the fine only because Judge Thall gets the pleasure of saying I TOLD YOU SO....

Now why didn't you tell them they could also go to Ace to buy a Stihl.
Sounds like she did enough research to know not to buy the Ms441. But not enough research to know a person can get a better deal on the internet on a 385xp. Maybe not a 385xp is going for 785.00 with heated handles. What did you sell that MS460 with out heated handles for?
Also what type of PPE did you sell these city folk ? Safty chain?
I don't recall Sears or Lowes selling saws that big to Home owners.
I would call this a impaulse buy. That goes to show you what I have always said. People buy on greed not need.
Come on now you can tell us. I'll bet you said you own that same saw and it would be the best one for there dreams.
I can't believe that there is no one in your area selling Husqvarnas'
Maybe I just might have to open a shop by you and give you a good whooping.

BTW. Did you blow the dust off that saw before you sold it. LOL
 
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25 miles apart for Stihl dealers?.. heck, there must be 30 in that same radius around here! And it's not just Stihl dealers that have to compete against each other, but against all other brands.

1 stihl or Husky dealer per 30 mile radius around here.
 
THALL you got yer Animules mixed up!!!!!

LOLOL, Manual and me argu about it all the time, I love it when I can really get one on him. Today this ole squirrel found the acorn I was looking for,LOLOL

It goes like this,,,Even a Blind Hog will find an acorn every now and again!!!!


But Squirrel kinda fits!!!! :monkey:
 
25 miles apart for Stihl dealers?.. heck, there must be 30 in that same radius around here! And it's not just Stihl dealers that have to compete against each other, but against all other brands.

I can think of ten STIHL dealers in my 25 mi. area and two Husky dealers oh I for got we have three lowe's ah but they dont count cause beins Box stores they cant service what they sell!!!!:monkey: :monkey: :monkey:
 
Now why didn't you tell them they could also go to Ace to buy a Stihl.
Sounds like she did enough research to know not to buy the Ms441. But not enough research to know a person can get a better deal on the internet on a 385xp. Maybe not a 385xp is going for 785.00 with heated handles. What did you sell that MS460 with out heated handles for?
Also what type of PPE did you sell these city folk ? Safty chain?
I don't recall Sears or Lowes selling saws that big to Home owners.
I would call this a impaulse buy. That goes to show you what I have always said. People buy on greed not need.
Come on now you can tell us. I'll bet you said you own that same saw and it would be the best one for there dreams.
I can't believe that there is no one in your area selling Husqvarnas'
Maybe I just might have to open a shop by you and give you a good whooping.

BTW. Did you blow the dust off that saw before you sold it. LOL

Manual tap dancing around the issue will get you nowhere on this one ole boy. If you read the post real close you will see where I did in fact tell them Husky is a good saw. Secondly believe it or not there is no Husky dealers in Leesburg, I wish there was, I'm tired of tinkering with those bought from the local Sears and Lowes. Thirdly and the part you missed my friend is why didn't the Husky web site she looked at tell her Sears and Lowes sell Husky. They both acted shocked to learn that after reviewing Husky on their own website. Fourthly after checking Stihl's website the man had made up his mind he wanted a 460, not a 441. As like all customers he never mentioned vib systems, air filters, have yet to have a customer ever worry about it. Thats why I call all that non-sense mere excuses to boost your brand when the fact is the public could care less. I did tell them Stihl had 35,000 dealers worldwide, not just Ace,LOL. I work for TW Perry Manual, not Ace, if I'm going to sell Stihl its gonna be for the outfit I work for, not the Stihl dealer down the road, duh!!

This episode today proves what I've said all along, Husky needs to go back to dealer only. They're reputation is being hampered by the box stores. This is the first time I seen with my own two eyes people do in fact judge based on the company you keep. Theres no doubt in my mind they were seeing Craftsman, Poulan and Husky all sitting on the same shelf and that was enough for them to say no thanks.

As for what all she coulda bought for whatever the price, be cheaper or higher you must remember its not you spending their money, its them. They chose ole Daddy like so many do in my area. You say did I wipe the dust off, haha, last month when the weather finally openup I sent 84 out the door. So far this month 93 have gone out the door. The stock I have isn't in the store long enough to collect dust. You say they could have got a better deal on the internet buying Husky, in terms of price yes, in terms of having some place to service it no. Thats another avenue Husky should shut down altogether and get back to dealer only. The prices vary so much due to that its unbelievable. I know your thinking yeah yeah but if I get the cheapest price screw the guy that paid more at the dealer. Thats fine but remember the man that paid 702.00 for a 357 at the dealer only to find out he coulda got it for way less at Baileys? He will never buy a Husky again over that. I know that to be a fact because he told me so. So think what you will but the points are adding up that Husky needs to go dealer only and quit this non-sense of sellem anywhere ya can. It hasn't paid off like they thought it would, Stihl is still outselling them and always will because of the dealer only way they do business.

In closing ole boy let me type ya something straight from the new book out about Stihl the man and Stihl the company. Hans Peter Stihl at a meeting on March 29,1976 in which he gave this speech:

"We were able to increase our turnover twelve fold between 1960 and 1974. The average annual growth rate was thus about 18%. On the basis of our business objective to achieve long term security through a a leading market position, with substantially calculable risks and above average return as prerequisite for the necessary investments, we succeeded in becoming the worlds largest manufacture of chainsaws in 1971.
This was achieved by high investments in increasing the efficiency of production, a research and development budget that was by far the highest in the industry, which insured the high quality and technical standards of our products, AND BY A WORLD WIDE SALES POLICY BASED EXCLUSIVELY ON
"""" SERVICING DEALERS"""""

33 years later in 2004 Hans Peter Stihl was asked again if servicing dealers were the only way his product would be sold. He said YES, DEALER ONLY. Remaining No.1 in the world 36 years in a row proves beyond a doubt dealers beat the chain stores, the net and the mail order. Husky needs to go back to dealer only and regain their reputation they sold to the net, box stores and mail order in exchange for increased sales, it has not worked. Nuff said.
 
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Me sorry Manual, my memory fails me

There is a Husky dealer about 5 blocks from me, its called Tractor Supply. They stock no parts, provide no service but they do carry the smaller Husky saws and trimmers. Oddly I don't know who the guy is overthere but he sends me his customers when they need a chain. He tells them that guy over at TW Perry can make you any chain you want, he cuts it off rolls, he's the chainsaw guy of Leesburg. So in fact I do compete with a Husky dealer after all Manual, hell the man even helps me out with selling chain and chain is really marked up bigtime, I likes that Husky man overthere.

To be fair though some guy walked in the other day, same deal, needed a new chain for the Echo he bought across town at Home Depot. He comes in and says do you know a guy named Tony over at Home Depot. I go no, not really. He says well he knows you and he told me to come overhere and see you because you make chains and I need one. I grin and say sure, I'll fix ya right up.

I believe if I start refusing to make chains for those guys I could sellem a Stihl but I'm not that way, I'm really a nice guy Manual, don't believe it, just ask me,LOLOL
 
I can understand why people buy Stihl in the states ,,, for the same reason I buy Husky I prefer dealers, don't like those box-store-Stihl's :)
Ohhh and you can even order Stihl's over the net here ,,,,
 
I can understand why people buy Stihl in the states ,,, for the same reason I buy Husky I prefer dealers, don't like those box-store-Stihl's :)
Ohhh and you can even order Stihl's over the net here ,,,,

That right, hmm. Interesting. I'm gonna check on that and if your fibbing I'll be sure to let ya know. However since thats Huskies own backyard I doubt Stihl competes very well there. Hard to whip a man on his own turf. Sorta like Husky overhere, oh wait, the states isn't Stihl backyard though, hmmmmm. Oddly though in this book I'm reading on page 149 its says quote:
Activities in Husqvarna's Backyard. Seems Stihl has some warehouses and distributors there in Sweden. Wonder if Husky has any in Germany. Find out and let me know..
 
That right, hmm. Interesting. I'm gonna check on that and if your fibbing I'll be sure to let ya know. However since thats Huskies own backyard I doubt Stihl competes very well there. Hard to whip a man on his own turf. Sorta like Husky overhere, oh wait, the states isn't Stihl backyard though, hmmmmm. Oddly though in this book I'm reading on page 149 its says quote:
Activities in Husqvarna's Backyard. Seems Stihl has some warehouses and distributors there in Sweden. Wonder if Husky has any in Germany. Find out and let me know..

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I should also note, that just because there are Huskys sold at Sears and Lowes, doesn't mean I'd buy one from there. I guess my point is I'd much rather buy from a dealer who's under pressure from such competition, to provide the best possible prices and service.

There is no pressure from such competition, merely aggravation.

As far as pricing is concerned, the box stores are actually pretty good at sticking to the promo or "power" price in the program. The store employees are not allowed to "do any better" when customers are trying to beat them up on price. So, in some ways, I'd rather have them nearby, than another dealer.

And as someone else pointed out, they only sell the less expensive homeowner models. These types of retailers rarely have any success when trying to sell more expensive equipment. In fact, we just scored a great deal from Lowes inability to sell one of the pricier Husky trimmers. The trimmer regularly sells for $369, which is way beyond what the folks at Lowes usually sell. Lowes cried and Husky bought a bunch of them back, and offered them to us dealers. I've got 'em hanging on the rack with the Lowes price tags still on them. But I'm selling them for $200 and I'm making money. Yeah, I love that kind of pressure, and so do my customers.

The aggravation I mentioned is from a never ending stream of uninformed people who don't know how to run saws that were never properly set up. And, I don't have the time, and admittedly the patience, to deal with these idiots.

I'm ammused by the whole box store dynamic concerning products such as power equipment, appliances and such, that will eventually require service. As soon as your money is in the draw, they tell you "Now if there is a problem, you don't call us. You call the 800 number of the manufacturer" Customer service at it's finest! And people accept that, and they go back for more. I don't know how they get away with it. Amazing.
 
There is a Husky dealer about 5 blocks from me, its called Tractor Supply. They stock no parts, provide no service but they do carry the smaller Husky saws and trimmers. Oddly I don't know who the guy is overthere but he sends me his customers when they need a chain.
Wow, yea . . . . that is a sad state of affairs, actually to the point of comical. To sell saws, and not even have the most basic of accessories like chains, bars, filters, and plugs is crazy.

Spike60 makes a point which I can see as a root cause of disagreement here.
The store employees are not allowed to "do any better" when customers are trying to beat them up on price. So, in some ways, I'd rather have them nearby, than another dealer.
This is where dealer POV and consumer POV conflict, and why there is always going to be disagreement. You pretty much spell out that you don't want price competition from another dealer, and from a dealer's perspective, I can appreciate that. The consumer typically wants the lowest price, and the dealer typically wants the highest profit margin.

I'm not quite sure how taking the $369 trimmers from Lowes and giving them to you to sell for $200 makes any sense on Husky's part (why not let Lowes sell them for $200?) But yea, I would come to you for that price. It's the lowest price, and typically, meaning most folks, want the lowest price.

Of course, that's not everyone. Thall brings up an example which I believe is the exception, rather than the rule. His sales volume does go to show that there is a market out there for all of us, regardless of the method of getting the product to the consumer. Thall, I do want to thank you again for keeping an open mind to my comments. I realize that looking at it from the consumer's side of the fence is a bit unnatural for a dealer.

I'll admit. My closest Husky dealer is a Western Auto store, but to be fair, the closest Stihl dealer is an ACE Hardware store across the street from the Husky dealer, so I seem to have a wash there. :hmm3grin2orange:
 
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I did not know I was doing any tap dancing, I thought I anwsered all your questions.
You did well at selling that MS460, It's a good saw.
Why didn't the web site tell that Husy is sold at sears, would be the same reason the stihl web sites don't say anything about Ace hardware.
Why are poeple coming to you for chains and not lowes, probably because they don't stock enough and sold out. They do stock and sell chains,bars, plugs, and oil.
Seems Husky is getting away from internet sales. But like any other addiction they did not go cold turkey. Husky went the right way about it.
I am impressed in both Husky and Stihls marketing.
One thing I am not impressed with is Stihls attacks on Husky for selling there saws at lowes, then Stihl turns around and sells there saws at Ace.
With the banning of sales on the internet, Sooner or later a Husky dealer will sit up camp in your back yard. Then you can take up these issues with them. However I will miss you.
 
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Wow, yea . . . . that is a sad state of affairs, actually to the point of comical. To sell saws, and not even have the most basic of accessories like chains, bars, filters, and plugs is crazy.

Spike60 makes a point which I can see as a root cause of disagreement here.

This is where dealer POV and consumer POV conflict, and why there is always going to be disagreement. You pretty much spell out that you don't want price competition from another dealer, and from a dealer's perspective, I can appreciate that. The consumer typically wants the lowest price, and the dealer typically wants the highest profit margin.

I'm not quite sure how taking the $369 trimmers from Lowes and giving them to you to sell for $200 makes any sense on Husky's part (why not let Lowes sell them for $200?) But yea, I would come to you for that price. It's the lowest price, and typically, meaning most folks, want the lowest price.

Of course, that's not everyone. Thall brings up an example which I believe is the exception, rather than the rule. His sales volume does go to show that there is a market out there for all of us, regardless of the method of getting the product to the consumer. Thall, I do want to thank you again for keeping an open mind to my comments. I realize that looking at it from the consumer's side of the fence is a bit unnatural for a dealer.

I'll admit. My closest Husky dealer is a Western Auto store, but to be fair, the closest Stihl dealer is an ACE Hardware store across the street from the Husky dealer, so I seem to have a wash there. :hmm3grin2orange:

Its all good my friend. Many think I have a issue up my crawl about Husky when I don't. To prove it ask Spike if I haven't asked him about getting a 2172 or 372, I asked Spike about that a few months back but it was tax time when I did so I held off. Though I tease and carry on when arguing with Manual the fact is I know they run good, real good. My only beef is how they go about selling them. I was told by one of the higher up's where I work that they had looked into getting Husky at one time but was told what all they had to carry and they said heck with that. Whether he was being striaght with me or not I do not know. We took on Stihl with a $13,000 investment to set up and now that small investment brings in over $200,000 a year and has done so year after year. This year looks to be our best and were on par to crack $300,000 in sales if sales remain as they have been. Not bad for a one man operation. I would have sold Husky just as hard but the outfit I work for is not one to be told what all they have to carry.

The only reason I brought up this episode yesterday is because Manual and me like to pick at each other all the time and believe it or not I admire him for hanging tuff with me everytime we have our fun.

I will say yesterday was the very first time I saw two people in person frown at the idea of Husky in Sears and Lowes. If you saw the look on their face when I told them you would have been quite amazed. It really turned them off bigtime. The second they found out about Sears and Lowes carrying Husky the look on their face went from wondering about Husky to no way, no thanks, see ya later gator, we'll take a Stihl.

I'm pretty well done with this thread. I made my point and in no way have I meant it to be insulting to Husky the company or to Manual or anyone else. I just wanted to show that in the world of sales many factors play a huge role in selling someone something. Yesterday was a new one for me and I wanted to share with Manual mainly to let my ole buddy know not everyone takes kindly to the company things keep.

All that said Manual we gotta find something else to argu about now. No way am I gonna let you squeeze outta this round. The next agrument may be my 2172 is better than yours sucker,haha. I'm still debating a side job or two to get me on of those and I know the man that will fix me up and I agree wholeheartly with him about the business thing with box stores and net sales. So get ready Manual, I'll be even harder to deal with when I got the same saw you have you ole low life,LOL
 
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halarious

There is a Husky dealer about 5 blocks from me, its called Tractor Supply. They stock no parts, provide no service but they do carry the smaller Husky saws and trimmers. Oddly I don't know who the guy is overthere but he sends me his customers when they need a chain. He tells them that guy over at TW Perry can make you any chain you want, he cuts it off rolls, he's the chainsaw guy of Leesburg. So in fact I do compete with a Husky dealer after all Manual, hell the man even helps me out with selling chain and chain is really marked up bigtime, I likes that Husky man overthere.

To be fair though some guy walked in the other day, same deal, needed a new chain for the Echo he bought across town at Home Depot. He comes in and says do you know a guy named Tony over at Home Depot. I go no, not really. He says well he knows you and he told me to come overhere and see you because you make chains and I need one. I grin and say sure, I'll fix ya right up.

I believe if I start refusing to make chains for those guys I could sellem a Stihl but I'm not that way, I'm really a nice guy Manual, don't believe it, just ask me,LOLOL

LOLOLOLOL, thall what bait you using night crawlers, no wiat, powerbait?lol Man you're hoooken' em' every time. Hey like I've said I buy the best of all brands. but then again all I have NOW is stihl, so I guess I can be in this.:clap: :greenchainsaw: :hmm3grin2orange: :biggrinbounce2:
 
I did not know I was doing any tap dancing, I thought I anwsered all your questions.
You did well at selling that MS460, It's a good saw.
Why didn't the web site tell that Husy is sold at sears, would be the same reason the stihl web sites don't say anything about Ace hardware.
Why are poeple coming to you for chains and not lowes, probably because they don't stock enough and sold out. They do stock and sell chains,bars, plugs, and oil.
Seems Husky is getting away from internet sales. But like any other addiction they did not go cold turkey. Husky went the right way about it.
I am impressed in both Husky and Stihls marketing.
One thing I am not impressed with is Stihls attacks on Husky for selling there saws at lowes, then Stihl turns around and sells there saws at Ace.
With the banning of sales on the internet, Sooner or later a Husky dealer will sit up camp in your back yard. Then you can take up these issues with them. However I will miss you.

Manual I hate to burst your bubble but just a few years ago I had 2 real bonified Husky dealers not 10 miles from me, one 8 miles north and one about 10 miles south. Needless to say both are history!!! One now sells Stihl and the other sells Stihl and Shindiawa, they both dropped Husky. Teachem to mess with me,hehe
 
Manual I hate to burst your bubble but just a few years ago I had 2 real bonified Husky dealers not 10 miles from me, one 8 miles north and one about 10 miles south. Needless to say both are history!!! One now sells Stihl and the other sells Stihl and Shindiawa, they both dropped Husky. Teachem to mess with me,hehe

Take head matey, theres a storm brewing.
Husky is changing there ways with there dealers. ARRRRRRR, ARRRRR, ARRRRR
Get ready to walk the plank.
 

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