I vote face cut....the top of the notch is striagt across and the bottum is the hards cut to makes it looks to me he missed the cut for the line at bottume of the notch is not right not a striagt clean cut as it would be if it was the back cut...+ If u was that guy would u still be on ya knee when that big hehehehe was starting to fall i know i wouldn't be.... A man would have to run looks like a mile to be out of the way heheheh....
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I vote face cut....the top of the notch is striagt across and the bottum is the hards cut to makes it looks to me he missed the cut for the line at bottume of the notch is not right not a striagt clean cut as it would be if it was the back cut...+ If u was that guy would u still be on ya knee when that big hehehehe was starting to fall i know i wouldn't be.... A man would have to run looks like a mile to be out of the way heheheh....
Rick Alger
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Back cut
Lonnie, you make a good point. He should be way out of there.
But I still think its a back cut.
The saw looks like it's more than half way through the stump. I don't think anybody makes a notch that deep. I think the uneveness and the cut at the base are because he didn't have quite enough bar to make the cut in one swing, so he had to trim the root swell and cut in from the place he trimmed to get at the center.
Also, if it's a face cut, where is the notch wood?
Lonnie, you make a good point. He should be way out of there.
But I still think its a back cut.
The saw looks like it's more than half way through the stump. I don't think anybody makes a notch that deep. I think the uneveness and the cut at the base are because he didn't have quite enough bar to make the cut in one swing, so he had to trim the root swell and cut in from the place he trimmed to get at the center.
Also, if it's a face cut, where is the notch wood?
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Ok, you lost me after "face cut...."
And Rick you make good points. I see you're a horse logger. A deep face can be used on light head leaners or even straight spars out here. And I've had and seen smilies tumble down hill and out of sight.
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It's a face cut.
And who cares what it looks like - have you cut anything this big? Easier to be a critic than a cutter.
And who cares what it looks like - have you cut anything this big? Easier to be a critic than a cutter.
Well said.
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Well said...
Both well said, it surprises me that people comment with such determination when the evidence to the seasoned is so blatantly obvious, I guess the seasoned must see this as entertainment or risk being driven insane by the one sided argument...
A great thread thanks to all...
Both well said, it surprises me that people comment with such determination when the evidence to the seasoned is so blatantly obvious, I guess the seasoned must see this as entertainment or risk being driven insane by the one sided argument...
A great thread thanks to all...
face cut to small
Im seeing more then a argument here .....Im seeing safety....If the face of it is to small and others was cutting the face like this in white oaks or hickory's they are in trouble...If it is the back cut then the person taking the pic is in danger as well... Safety is wot I see and either way they was something wrong with the pic..I admitt Im not perfect .....
Im seeing more then a argument here .....Im seeing safety....If the face of it is to small and others was cutting the face like this in white oaks or hickory's they are in trouble...If it is the back cut then the person taking the pic is in danger as well... Safety is wot I see and either way they was something wrong with the pic..I admitt Im not perfect .....
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This is far from an oak or hickory. If it's a back cut, they're both in the wrong place. The faller should be gone, and the camera guy is in the wrong place. If it's face cut (again, my vote) everyone is good to go.
Has anyone actaully called Madsen's to get perhaps a definative answer?
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When falling large white pine I typically use a smaller face and often a humbolt (I know that is NOT a WP but hang with me for a minute) for a multitude of reasons. Old growth white pine is brittle compared to a young tree (this applies to timber in general as well) and I want that butt on the ground first so I don't rail the tree. I also use a thinner hinge to help eliminate stump pull (you can also bore the heart out amongst other things), in other words I want the fiber to break sooner rather than latter.
I have a neighbor that is a retired red wood and doug fir logger from the Ncoast of Cali, he has spent quite a bit of time on my logging jobs watching how we do it back here and he has told me that from what he has seen watching me (he's even cut a few trees with me,also taught me how to use a tree jack) he says that fir is very similar to WP. I took the long way around the barn, I know.
Point being pretty much what others have already stated that the faller had his reasons. Keep in mind that Old growth is completly differant than second or third growth timber. It alot more brittle and unforgiving. I've cut quite a bit of old growth poplar and white pine and can tell you that you had better know what you are doing when you lay it down!
I have a neighbor that is a retired red wood and doug fir logger from the Ncoast of Cali, he has spent quite a bit of time on my logging jobs watching how we do it back here and he has told me that from what he has seen watching me (he's even cut a few trees with me,also taught me how to use a tree jack) he says that fir is very similar to WP. I took the long way around the barn, I know.
Point being pretty much what others have already stated that the faller had his reasons. Keep in mind that Old growth is completly differant than second or third growth timber. It alot more brittle and unforgiving. I've cut quite a bit of old growth poplar and white pine and can tell you that you had better know what you are doing when you lay it down!
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Well crap, I have some pics of some of the old growth that I have cut and logged but they won't upload for some reason. Hey, fishhunt, you anygood with pic probs??? If so I'll see if I can email em' to you and let you post them if you don't mind. Goes for anyone else for that matter.
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Sorry, I'm not the guy for problem solving when it comes to computers and pics! If no one else steps up, and volunteers to play with them, lemme know, and you can email them to me, and I'll try to upload them, but I don't know anything about "making" them work. 04Ultra is pretty good with pics.....
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SWE, I think there are jpeg.
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nota clue!LOL I'm not tech savvy....My wife has to down load them for me on to the computer!!LOL
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All I can tell you is that I haven't changed the way we down load them on the computer but since the site did their "upgrade" I haven't been able to upload pics.
FSburt
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Falling WWP
Hey Ryan do you put a gap in your undercut when you fall large pine? I know the fallers in my area would put a gap in the undercut and also take a snipe off the lip to sloping cut to get the butt end on the ground first. They were falling large diameter suger pine which is the same wood characteristics as WWP. They would also do this on large Cedars.
Hey Ryan do you put a gap in your undercut when you fall large pine? I know the fallers in my area would put a gap in the undercut and also take a snipe off the lip to sloping cut to get the butt end on the ground first. They were falling large diameter suger pine which is the same wood characteristics as WWP. They would also do this on large Cedars.
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