Help me find a steel carabiner, please

[MasterBlaster]

Originally posted by TreeCo
Not me. Just poking fun.

Dan

I guess you forgot the smilie...

 

[geofore]

caribiners/pin

Nick, do you want the pin gone or changed like the difference between Omega OP76S3 (53kn) and the Austrailpin CE0511 (35kn) ? I know they are twist lock but is the way they clip, the change you want in the notch setup? I think Austrailpin makes an autolock that has what you're looking for.

 

[NickfromWI]

Rocky, what the heck are you talking about? I knew sherrill doesn't have the carabiners that I want. I have their best one (and I mean, "best suited to my needs") and I don't like it. It's made by ISC.

In the past couple months, I've purchased a lot of things at sherrill...just about 800 dollars worth, which might not be lot to many people, but it's a lot to me.

So, ummm. I thought that I made my desires clear. You can see in it what you want. And maybe you should not be so closed minded about things that you don't know about.

Tom, are you talking about the locking carabiners that have two barrels on the gate, pull one down, and push the other up or something like that? If so, they are AWESOME!!!!!! I can't wait for them!

Rocky, if you have something positive to add to the conversation, please share. Otherwise, shhhhhh. I know that there are people here who have more options available to them than just Sherrill. Rocky, I already know what sherrill has. They were the first place I looked. I looked a few other places as well. I couldn't find what I was looking for, so I thought I'd bring it here. Except for your comments, I am glad that I did ask the question. It looks like one of our members knew exactly where I could get what I was looking for. Thanks guys.

love
nick

 

[Tom Dunlap]

If anyone wants to learn more about ISC, take a look:

http://www.iscwales.com/index2.htm

Most of their biners are no-snag design.

Nick, you're right, that's the one that I saw. Pretty cool. Denny had come up with another design just a few days before I was there. He was on a plane and came up with the idea. We got to see the "cocktail napkin" design. Knowing the skills and talents of the folks at ISC I'm confident that we'll see that on the market soon.

Tom

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Hey Nick, how about those double locking steel rope snaps?

 

[NickfromWI]

Mike, those work well, but I haven't found a steel one that I like. The buckingham ones that SHERRILL makes are not quite to my liking. I think I want to stick with the 'biners.

I LOVE no snag carabiners like the petzl ball-locks. I wish everyone would move to a similar design. I wonder what the holdback is. It must either be cheaper, easier to make, stronger, more reliable, or something along those lines to make the type with the pin. Otherwise we would no longer have them.

Anyone know the answer?

love
nick

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

For frequent opening and closing, ropes snaps are better than carabiners. That's what I like on my lanyard end and climbing line end because I open and close them so often. In other less used applications, the carabiner is good.
I do know what you mean though, about rope snaps snagging on the gate when you try to slide it down a rope.

 

[a_lopa]

does anyone use self locking steel clips?i only use stubai screw gate.

 

[Stumper]

Aussie, Screw locks to not meet the standard for tree climbing here. (Of course rock climbers and recreational tree climbers use them and 1/4 turn auto locks happily.) I think that the rational behind forbidding screw gates for workers is about people forgetting to lock them-since a screw gate has always seemed quite secure to me.

 

[Frans]

If you read the ANSI rule book you will see that screw gates are not forbidden in tree work because of the risk folks will "forget" to screw them down (although this is certainly a risk), but because they can unscrew themselves and open from the pressure/rubbing of a rope or other object.
My understanding is: Tree work= work positioning, Rock Climbing= Fall arrest.

I am surprised Tom Dunlop is not chiming in with this disscussion.
Frans

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Nick and I have talked off-line

I'm getting weary of the spraying that goes on here with regularity. I do read almost every day though.

ACCT has their own set of standards for ropes courses. Some of their protocols are VERY different than what arbos use and visa versa.

In case anyone hasn't read this excellent article, you should.

This was first posted on TB about a month ago. This is one reason that it pays to check in once in a while.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/hsl_pdf/2003/hsl03-18.pdf

 

[a_lopa]

all my karibiners are self locking with screw gate.i can remember when black diamonds were all the rage.IMO self locking gates are more trouble than good with chips/muck getting in mechanism and not completely locking.alloy is a no no, its to hard to pick up a hair line fracture.steel clips come in handy when they are no longer needed for climbing,ive been using one on a spliced 1/2 inch work line for a number of years for lowering smaller limbs.its only just been retired

 

[Stumper]

Selflocking with screwgate? Do you mean that the gates close by themselves( that is standard on every'biner I've seen) and then you screw them down to lock or is this a latching mechanism unlike any others I've seen? I'm familiar with : non-locking (the gates do close themselves but simple pressure opens them again) ;1/4 turn twistlocks (auto-locking) Those are slick to operate and great for their intended rock-climbing applications but twigs can open them. ; Ball locks-Petzl' unique tri-acts.; Triple locks -the ones that lock on closing and require you to slide the barrel up or down and twist to unlock the gate.(These are a royal pain in the behind but aren't likely to get opened except intentionally); A new quad lock that is suposed to appear on the market soon-haven't seen one but have heard of it.

What are you using Aussie?

 

[rumination]

A friend of mine recently gave me a triple lock Omega Jake biner, and it has become my new favorite ( http://omegapac.com/ophmsq3.html ) to tie my hitch to. Instead of pushing up and turning, you pull down and turn, which is sooo much easier, and it fits in the hand just right. Sorry, though, Nick, I don't think any of their biners have the nonsnag gate.

I started off climbing with screwlock biners and a tautline hitch, and I remember having to check them and rescrew on a regular basis while in the tree. I prefer the triple lock because I only have to check it once when I close it and then I don't worry about it, although I am still in the habit of checking the whole setup every so often. A good practive left over from the tauntline days.

Nick, let us know when you find that perfect steel biner! I use a steel biner for my line termination because the weight is good for flipping it over branches. I'm real happy with the one I have now, but I'd also love to find one with a nonsnag gate.

 

[a_lopa]

plain old stubai,gate closes, screw lock 3200

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Aussie-lopa,

Hairline and micro-fractures in carabiners are an often repeated myth. MANY tests have been completed on new and dropped equipment with no fractures found.

Here is a direct quote of what Denny Moorehouse says about the subject, "Rubbish!"

Did you read the HSE report?

Tom

 

[Gord]

kong makes a few steel triple autolock biners with a key gate. be warned that the gate mechanisms seem to have limited lifetimes.

http://wesspur.com/Carabiners/auto-locking-carabiners.html

(the grenade gate)

 

[a_lopa]

Originally posted by Tom Dunlap
Aussie-lopa,

Hairline and micro-fractures in carabiners are an often repeated myth. MANY tests have been completed on new and dropped equipment with no fractures found.

Here is a direct quote of what Denny Moorehouse says about the subject, "Rubbish!"

Did you read the HSE report?

Tom

yes tom i did read the report.i was told by a few climb instructers over here not all, but some recognized on these boards that alloy had no place in a tree climbers kit.I climbed for years on black diamond ,kong alloy biners with no problems other than the mechanizems failing after hard use,i have no problems with anyone using whatever biner they want.it is just my opinion,although i do frown apon use of alloy biners in my own buis.that small amount of weight difference isnt an issue

 

[Tom Dunlap]

One of the key lines from the HSE report was the statement that the life of a biner may be only one use. We all have biners that have given us many good years of service. Then, their twin brothers and sisters will only last a short time. Just shows how close we have to check our gear.

I have no issue with using aluminum biners for climbing. There are a few aluminum screwgate ovals in my kit that get used for certain rigging situations. Generally, light redirects or light speedlining. May as well use them up instead of digging more minerals out of the earth. When they die, they get replaced by steel.

 

[Mahk]

Originally posted by Stumper
Triple locks -the ones that lock on closing and require you to slide the barrel up or down and twist to unlock the gate.(These are a royal pain in the behind but aren't likely to get opened except intentionally)

What you describe is a double, not triple, locking carabiner. "...slide the barrell up or down and twist to unlock the gate." At this point, after two motions, the gate is unlocked.

It is confusing because the terms 'Three Stage', 'Tri-Act' (both commercial terms) and 'three way action' are also used to describe this type of carabiner.

This aspect of carabiner terminology was also debated on TB, under the thread "That Telltale Click". No consensus was reached, but there was some salient discussion.

Consistent description of carabiner locking mechanisms is something that should be addressed in the next revision of ANSI Z 133.1.

Mahk