Help me find a steel carabiner, please

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Screw lock biners suck, period. They are slow, unsafe, and there are better choices.

A screen door opens and closes like a carabiners open and close. Some have locks and double locks.
I don't understand why a rope snap is different. A double locking rope snap is really only single locking. Maybe it's because carabiners are from rock climbing and rope snaps are from tree work. When I started climbing they didn't have locking rope snaps, climbers fell all the time as they opened up. Same with screw gate carabiners.
Non-locking carabiners are much more likely to fail than a non-locking rope snap. So the different standards are probably appropriate.

 

[a_lopa]

Originally posted by Mike Maas
Screw lock biners suck, period. They are slow, unsafe, and there are better choices


When I started climbing they didn't have locking rope snaps, climbers fell all the time as they opened up. Same with screw gate carabiners.

sounds like you started climbing as noah unloaded the ark,around the same time climbers were falling out of trees all the time.

i think your the only thing thats slow and unsafe

 

[NickfromWI]

Rocky, I am suprised by your stubborness. You say you will "stick with industry-accepted terms," but you are using the wrong terms!

Maybe this is like knot-names...it differs where you go in this country, but I don't think this is really the case.

I like the screen-door analogy. Just because the door is closed, doesn't mean that it is locked.

love
nick

 

[Kneejerk Bombas]

Is this the new fight thread?
Cool!

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Rocky,

You're an army of one if you consider the spring closing action of a biner as one of the locking motions. If you want to see flames, post your notion here:

http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&as_ugroup=rec.climbing

The crabbing and growsing that goes on here at AS is chicken scratching compared to what the professional flame warriors will subject you to at rec.climbing. I don't think that even you could hold your own over there. Give it a shot though, see what the rock jocks think of your nomenclature.

Tom

 

[NickfromWI]

David and everyone else, these steel kong 'biners are what I was looking for. I wish they were a bit smaller, but that's just being nit-picky. It took a tiny bit of practice, but they CAN be opened with one hand, which is a neccessity for me. I like 'em!

love
nick

 

[okietreedude1]

Hey nick, great to hear they are working for you. I too tried opening them when I got em and it was a little tricky at first. The barrel has a differnt shape and a longer twist than what Im used to (dmm/wales).

If i cant open the biner w/ one hand, I dont like it. dmm/wales will open one handed all day long with ease and speed. so will the kongs.

 

[Tree Machine]

Those are truly excellent biners.

Here's an idea that I'm probably not the first or only one to think of.

How bout a palm-size steel triplelock, one that has a bigger diameter, heftier, beefier. Heck, make it a quad lock. Same general weight as a big boy, but the tough little brother

Who's going to step up first on that one? If I had to bet, I would guess Kong.