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Big Dutchman

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Went to an equipment fair last week-end and saw the new Redmax saws. They look like old Sachs-Dolmars from the 80's. The dealer told me they were made in Japan and put together in the U.S. I wasn't impressed. Jap Crap!
Came away with a Husky 372. Couldn't go wrong for the price. $500.00 out the door, with 28" bar, 2 chains, a hat and a calender. To bad the woods are shutdown for firewood cutting right now!

Big Dutchman
 
Hi Big Dutchman, welcome aboard. Will you be modifying your new 372? There is an upcoming race in Oroville Calif. near the end of Sept., that you may want to attend. There will also be a local saw builder there, Ken Dunn, who would work on your saw if you asked him.
Anyway, here's a sample picture of the fun we had last year in Calif. This one is on Ken's roof when he fed us some moonshine.
John
 
good luck...

yeah.. check this out.. this is junk...

link 1 link2

Mike acres thought these were red max's
they're just Red saws..
 
Its sad when someone looks at China as a place that manufactures only low and or poor quality products. That is very much the head in the sand outlook on life. The saws in question are mostlikely as good or better than any lower-end consumer chainsaw made today. The million dollar question is: How long before the major saw makers move their production to places like China, India, and or one of the Soviet Republic Countries?

Companies like Husqvarna, Stihl, Dolmar all over stock holders to report profits and or losses to. I do not support the movement of this work/and or jobs overseas, but the facts are very clear. If trends stay the way they are, almost all casting, machining, and manufacturing jobs will move overseas where labor costs are low and there are virtually NO EPA restrictions.

Just some food for thought.

Perhaps you do not remember when Honda began selling the Civic in about 1973. Sure it had 12 inch tires and a tiny little motor....... Now look at the compition...... Honda, Toyota, Nissian, Hundyia, Kia...... and the list goes on.
 
perhaps, but i don't run low end saws. I run macs.
american made macs.

plus if we let industry here die, we'll be embargoed jut like cuba.. it will not be a happy day. we need to reindustrialize while the job skills still exist.
 
Originally posted by WoodTick007
Its sad when someone looks at China as a place that manufactures only low and or poor quality products.
<font color ="green">If you'll refer to the original post, you'll see he was referring to Japanese saws. I'm not making a comment on quality--I'm just pointing out that Japan and China are completely separate countries.</font>
 
Originally posted by Big Dutchman
Went to an equipment fair last week-end and saw the new Redmax saws. ......... I wasn't impressed. Jap Crap!
Big Dutchman


Well I guess time will tell with the Red Max saws but I since I do not own one yet I personally would not refer to them as "Jap Crap" . From what I have heard from those who have actually used them they seem to be doing good. The big problem has been the high price which has dropped over the last couple years.

Bill
 
well, this is as close as i get to a foreign saw...
chong-yang.jpg
 
Big Dutchman

The first time I had one of the RedMax saws in my hands, I thought that it looked like the older Jonsered 670s.
All of the new one that I have are marked Made In Japan. I know nothing about any assembly plant here in the states. I have my doubts about the saws being assembled here. I am sure that with the labor costs in this country compared to Japan, it would be far more economical for them to assemble them across the big pond.

Jap Crap! ??? What models did you look at?
What part of the saw did you consider to be crap? I have been inside of the G310TS, G5000AVS and the G621AVS and if there is any crap in or on those saws, I cant find it. As a mater of fact, if you ever look at the piston and the cylinder design of some of their saws, you will see that they are actually ahead of the Germans and the Swedes.

Please post the dealers name and number that sells the 372s for 500. That is super cheap and we could all use a few at that price.

heviarti

I liked the rpm ratings on those saws that you posted the link to. I have seen the tach on a 5000 Max hit 17400. I wonder if the Chinese version would make it that far.

WoodTick007

I worked on more then a few of those Honda's in the early 70s. They had some of the worst sheet metal on any car ever built. On a calm night you could here them rust.

joelamb

RedMax is owned by Komatsu and their saws have a 1 year commercial warranty and two years for consumers.

Later
Dan
 
its like when people say shindiawa are a good saw,yeh they run fine, but you pick up a stihl or husky pro/commercial saw and theres alot of difference.i worked for a co for 6 yrs that had a agreement to shindiawa for adverts when they entered the aus market,given that there ok but quality no way.
 
Sheet Metal

WoodTick007

I worked on more then a few of those Honda's in the early 70s. They had some of the worst sheet metal on any car ever built. On a calm night you could here them rust.

Really...... And what about AMC, Dodge, Plymouth, VW, GM, FORD, and the list goes on. I hardly think that Honda had the "Worst". Perhaps a trip down memory lane will take you to a period in time that ALL sheet metal of automobiles was extremely poor. Where the quality of components were designed with a trouble free usage of 80,000 miles tops.
 
WoodTick007

Yes that is true, all of the automobile manufactures did use some rather poor metal as compared to what they use today. I have witnessed a few of the early Honda's that had rust holes in the tops of the front fenders in less then a years time. As I take my trip down memory lane I don't recall ever witnessing that on any other vehicles.

I like your signature.

Later
Dan
 
One of the first rules I was taught when learning to hunt was, "Don't shoot before you know the target" .

Grandmother used to say, "Turn the light on in a dark room so you can see where you're going, then you won't trip & fall."

Want to learn something about Red Max.....one of the top two cycle engine builders in the world?
Owned by a little feeble company....Komatsu.
Just ask Cat, and JD about Komatsu

Company that built some of Stihl's best trimmer engines.

Built Shindiawa's best blower engine.

Sells the PATENTED Strato Charged Engine technology to other companies who are behind in two cycle because of patents.

Leader in 'Clean & Green' two cyle engines.

Doesn't need four cyles to meet or help emissions.

Doesn't use engine killing catalytic mufflers.

Do a 'Search', on this site.
Keyword Red Max.
6 months time peroid.

There are many high quality companies that exist, just because their not a household name doesn't mean they're not good.

Similar to Dolmar in that they have long heritage, great quality design, construction, reliability, and performance.

On TV? In lots of magazines? In Box stores? Lot's of dealers?
NO.
Will probably never be, but just build very good stuff.

Have some pictures of the "Masters of Chain Saw Carving" International Contest. Wait till you see the special carving saw they were running.

Dan, May have visit next week to see that "Red Cranker". Heading for Nebraska and need to get ready.

Aussie Lopa, Disagreee on Shindiawa's quality. It is good. However, if your referring to overall design, and performance, then I'm in total agreement with you.
Isn't on par with Dolmar, Husqvarna, and Stihl.
 
Saw Man
Max 5000 should be back here by next week. I loaned that saw and a Husky 365 out to another forum member for a week or two. Shoot me an email to make sure that its here when you stop by.


Grandmother used to say, "Turn the light on in a dark room so you can see where you're going, then you won't trip & fall."

In this part of Pa they say, "Lighten the room". When the light is turned off they say, Outin the light.
My all time favorite saying from Pa is, "Though the horse over the fence some hay".
Later
Dan
 
Sawman; Dan;
Thanks for the info and the connection of RedMax to Zenoah and Komatsu. Those are respected names in engine technology and construction equipment.
Can anyone explain how the air head works and how the first lean part of the stratified charge is used to purge the exhaust gas. Zenoah has a 35 page PDF. document but I didn't understand entirely how it works.
 
Have a video, but it's 100 meg.
Have some pictures, will download when scanner is debugged.

Will briefly try to explain. it's one of those things that's really simply ingenious, but unfortunately I didn't think of it, so no $$$.

Engine is just like, and works like a older normal engine.
Except,
Carbureator has two (2) holes, one above each other.
Bottom hole draws air in for a normal combustion cycle.
Top hole lets air under flow thru either reed valves or slots in the piston skirt that goes inbetween the 'intake charge' and the 'exhaust charge'


Quickie defination first. Strata (Strato) means layer.
You'll soon see why it's called Strato Charged

Think of 'charges' like seperate layers.
Intake layer, and exhaust layer.
Each in different states of combustion in the cylinder area.

At some point they overlap (mix) this lets unburnt fuel out the exhaust port too soon. it's called "Short Circuiting" by all engine designers.

Correct flow of electricity when it goes bad...is a 'short circuit'.
So the greater the 'Short Circuiting' in a engine, especially a two cycle the more it pollutes, and will lower power.

If air is 'injected' at the right point and time, (another layer), it creates a clean layer air inbetween the intake & exhaust charges.

That keeps the burn cleaner by not letting the dirty exhaust charge get thru the exhaust port. reduces "Short Circuiting".

Strato Charged = Layers of Charges.

Mechanical function will be explained better thru pictures later.

It's simple, it works, it more efficiently burn fuel WITHOUT power loss (like catalytic mufflers), increases component life by more consistent & better lubrication, is easily serviced as it's basically a normal engine design.

More BAD things about Red MAX Strato Charged design:
Increases fuel efficiency by about 34%.
Decreases emissions by about 70%.
Is generally quieter.

Had a big international electric power company looking to buy about 75 String Trimmers, Hedge Trimmers(know how stinky they are), and Blowers.
Very concerned over reliability, fuel costs, emissions, and bio-hazards.

Demo'd Red Max Strato Charged models against other quality makers of regular two cycle, and some with four cycles.
Had them stand about 5-6 feet away, and let them 'smell' the differences in exhaust.

Did approximate buying-ownership costs showing them they would pay for thenselves within 14-18 months with the fuel savings alone. 2 years ago when fuel averaged $1.599-$1.649/gal.

Sold.

Hate' em so much, they bought more. Employees who are just plain 'ole homeowners, have also bought them because of less stink, fuel savings, and reliability.

Now, chain saws are next.
 
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