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So what is pulled (yes I know, vacuum doesnt suck) through the upper passage in the carb is straight air and comes in above the fuel air charge and then is first up the transfers to chase out the exhaust. I find it amazing that with the crank whirling around in there that the two charges can be kept effectively separated. Wonder how the lack of short circuit will affect the boys that want to put a tuned pipe on it. I can imagine Dan and EHP etc. are already figuring ways to put jets into the uper bore in that carb. Lol!
 
Ben, I guess you could richen the main charge enoug to compensate. Once you get it burning though you can use some pretty lean portions. I see they are using much more variability of the timing and relocated the plug, eliminated squish etc. Wonder how sensitive it will be to lean seize?
 
To see a pix of the carb, Go to www.walbro.com
Look under Lawn & Garden

Just had a thought. Suppose we take Sedanmans neat Double Port Dolmar muffler and put it on a Strato Charged double port carb?
Outta kick some grA$$ & chips!

Lower port directly in line with the cylinder intake port as normal. Air is drawn in just like normal engine, because that part is just like regular engines.

Upper port lets air in thru the manifold to tubes that run to the outside of the cylinder at the transfer ports.
Transfer ports are inside, but holes are cast-machined at the top of the transfer port. This is not the cheaper 'window porting' we're seeing by some companies today.

Think of it like a transfer port that has a specail hole in it at the top.

Now, think of how a piston which acts as a sliding valve opens & closes the transfer port.

As the piston is coming upward with a fresh intake charge, air now comes thru the upper carb port, thru the tubes on the outside of the cylinder, thru a small Reed valve at the top of the transfer port.

Air under simple normal atmospheric pressure (no parts) pushes it's way in above the incomming intake charge, and in between the already burning(partly) fuel up in the cylinder head, and moves back towards the exhaust.

It induces clean air, reduces the amount of the escaping burning-unburnt exhaust.

Not only has it limited the unburnt gas, but provides a clean air barrier between the charges.

Acelerated 'swept scavenging' is one way of partly describing a part of it's function.

Pictures will follow tonight or tomorrow

Dan Henry has a top handle saw he's been foolin' with for a long time, and he's been braggin about a Red Max G5000 that hits over 17K.
Was asking about a new compressor, so maybe he's got his own ideas of Strato Charging.
 
Originally posted by dozerdan
I worked on more then a few of those Honda's in the early 70s. They had some of the worst sheet metal on any car ever built. On a calm night you could here them rust.

What's your take on the newer Honda's?
 
and relocated the plug, eliminated squish
The cutaway of the redmax trimmer engine I saw looked to have a much more ideal plug location and squish band than current saw motors. The squish on a saw from the factory does not function and the shape and angles are crude anyway. Thats why there are big gains to be hadf rom bolt on heads.
 
As far as the comments about the Japanese building crap. When I worked in the auto industry Toyota and Honda where benchmarks of quality. Each year they are #1 and #2 in qulaity ratings of all brands for sale in the USA.
 
DozerDan, or is that KomatsuDan,

My dealer gave me a special price because of the equipment show. I just saw where you can buy a 372 from Bailey's for 529.00. Go for it, there much more of a saw than that Redmax"JapCrap".

Big Dutchman
 
Big Dutchman. You dont have to defend the 372; its a dang good saw. Thing is we are being squeezed to meet regulations so we shouldn't be closing our eyes if someone has some good ideas. I dont like to see production jobs here lost to offshore but it would be pretty stupid to dismiss Japanese stuff as JapCrap. That might have been true 40 years ago. Simply going around bellowing that you are the best doesn't make it happen. You better be looking realistically at what Jerry is doing. I don't know a whole lot about saws, and nothing about RedMax saws in particular, but I have done a fair bit of repairs and got some seat time on Komatsu excavators and dozers. They are state of the art. If Komatsu and Zenoah are behind RedMax it ain't junk. I don't think they are making anything near as big as the 372 so they probably didn't have an offering for you anyway.
 
What sounds like an idea to me is Dan sends out a few saws to Oriville. We can run them in there classes. I have a few chains prolly not as good as the WoodsDonkie's but I have a few.

So send a few out there Dozer PM me and I can give you Cahoon's address. I will even pick up the shipping.
 
Originally posted by Crofter
I dont like to see production jobs here lost to offshore

Funny thing about that. When I bought my Honda, the sticker stated the following:

Parts: 70%-USA, 30%-Japanese
Transmission: Japanese
Assembly: USA

So I thought that wasn't too bad(felt less guilty). I thought that on the average, my car was at least 50% American. Then I parked next to a new Ford Escort at Walmart and noticed the window sticker. Guess what it said?

Parts: 70%-USA, 30%-Japanese
Transmission: Japanese
Assembly: USA

So you tell me, what makes a car an American car? With all the mergers it really makes me wonder. How American is a Chrysler product? How about a Ford? Been to the <a href='http://www.ford.com' target="_blank">Ford/Mazda/Volvo/Land Rover/Jaguar/Aston Martin website</a> lately?

And Frank, I'm not trying to fight about this (honest!). It's just sopmething I think about when people talk about foreign cars and all.
 
Sheet Metal

Dan,

If memory serves me well the Plymouth Volarie and Dodge Aspen would rust through on the top of the fenders. I can't guarrantee it was within a year. What about the Classic GMC/Chevy Trucks from 1974 to 1981????? Classic American Rust Buckets. Ford Pinto = FireBomb Chevy Vega = OIL BURNING Rust Bucket Its truly sad looking back at how bad the consumers were ripped off.

What about the loyal 350 Rocket Olds customers that were cheated out of the reason they purchased an Oldsmobile. Its mind boggling that GM thougth that the Loyal Olds Consumer would not notice that their car was now powered by a 305 SBC.

007
 
Na Roger, shes global now. Ralph Nader wasnt too popular with the domestic auto makers was he. Provide a valuable service? you bet. Wonder how he would do in political office before he got bought. The big manufacturers are going to do whatever they can where it is the cheapest, providing they can get the quality control they want. Saws will be no different. We dont have the monopoly on technology any longer. Dont kid yourself or you're in for a rude awakening. The imports of 20 yeaars ago werent geared for operating on our salted roads. Didnt take too long to catch on though. Now who is copying who's technology?
 
WoodTick007

Yes the Plymouth Volarie and Dodge Aspen did have a rust problem on the tops of the fenders as well as the AMC Hornets, Concords but I remember none as bad as the early Hondas. Yes the new Hondas are first rate automobiles as well as most vehicles being manufactured today. It seems like every car company now has good sheet metal and the rust issue is gone.
Yes the old Vega had it share of engine problems but so did the Pinto. The 2300 Pinto engines had problems with cam, rockers, pistons. The 2000 Pinto engine was a lot more durable but was dropped out of production due to its lack of performance.
The 350 Rocket Olds was just one of the many cars that are clones. I think that they reimbursed money to those customers. Today its common to have clones and no one seems to complain, look at the Chevy and GMC trucks, Trans Am and its Chevy clone, Eagle Talon and the Eclipse.

Later
Dan
 
GZ 4000 Strato-Charged Redmax

Balanced Flywheel
Heavy-duty Clutch
Splined Drive Shafts
2 Bolt Locking Tab Anti Rotational Cy/Crankcase
Reusable Seamless Foam Air Filter
EPA&Carb tier II Certified

The 3800avs is not Strato-Charged and is very expensive for its size 37.2cc, so is the GZ 4000, they didn't show the 5000.

I see nothing special about these saws. What saw now days doesn't have a balanced flywheel, heavy-duty clutch, reusable airfilter, and who wants that epa carb, not me!
 
You might have misinterpreted EPA&Carb tier II to mean epa carburetor, it means
Environmental Protection Agency & California Air Resources Board tier 2 certification

Redmax's site is really very poor. Unfortunately they have the distribution rights in the USA for Komatsu/Zenoah. So yo do not see all the products they make. I have Komatsu saws 41.5cc & 56cc that are not available in the US, very nice saws.
Maybe someday Komatsu will take control and give Redmax the boot
 
Japanese crap? I dunno about that. I got me 2-yes TWO- 86 Honda Accord LXi's, both with over 180,000 miles and still running strong.


Chinese crap? Yep... I've never found anything made in China that WASN'T j-u-n-k.

Well, there was this little thing I picked up in Kuwait once... but that's another story. ;)
 
i do run a shindiawa blower, EB 2400 my little truck is japanese great on fuel(diesel) factory hydraulics,exhaust brake cant go wrong.what did you find in kuwait ne?
 
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