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[bwalker]

Well, people believe whatever they want. Personally , I think if you took that 30 to 50% over reach that the unions demanded and put it in to making better cars we would have made better cars.

And, quite likely several times more good paying union jobs.

Old saying, greed always makes you poorer.

Anyhow, that is what I believe. You are not going to change it. I am not going to change what you believe.

And, I don't use Little Red Barn because they ship to slow.

Unfortunately your beliefs aren't based on anything other than your feelings.
FWIW wages in the auto industry haven't been that great since 2008. Prior to that, it wasn't wages that really caused the companies grief. It was under funded pension and Healthcare benefits.

 

[bwalker]

This was before the last contract, but you get an idea. $33 an hour is dog chit pay in today's world. We hire entry level operators for $10 more per hour, of course the work is a little more involved than bolting a car together.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...much-uaw-workers-earn-comparison/71159764007/

 

[SS396driver]

This was before the last contract, but you get an idea. $33 an hour is dog **** pay in today's world. We hire entry level operators for $10 more per hour, of course the work is a little more involved than bolting a car together.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...much-uaw-workers-earn-comparison/71159764007/

Add in benefits and bonus your at $66per hour for basically an unskilled worker . Article from ISA Today also
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2023/09/20/uaw-ceo-salary-levels-strike-issue/70915285007/

 

[bwalker]

Add in benefits and bonus your at $66per hour for basically an unskilled worker . Article from ISA Today also
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2023/09/20/uaw-ceo-salary-levels-strike-issue/70915285007/

Regardless its not great money.

 

[ZeroJunk]

Unfortunately your beliefs aren't based on anything other than your feelings.
FWIW wages in the auto industry haven't been that great since 2008. Prior to that, it wasn't wages that really caused the companies grief. It was under funded pension and Healthcare benefits.

Laugh out loud. Like yours aren't.

Wonder why they have not been great since 2008 ? They are like the snake that ate it's tale.

They smothered the U.S. auto industry and killed themselves.

Simple actually.

Problem is they took unions in general down in the whirl pool.

 

[bwalker]

Laugh out loud. Like yours aren't.

Wonder why they have not been great since 2008 ? They are like the snake that ate it's tale.

They smothered the U.S. auto industry and killed themselves.

Simple actually.

Problem is they took unions in general down in the whirl pool.

You have no clue and no experience. Well outside your wheel house.
Everything I said is true and can be fact checked.

 

[ZeroJunk]

You have no clue and no experience. Well outside your wheel house.
Everything I said is true and can be fact checked.

Yeah, right. LOL

 

[SS396driver]

Regardless its not great money.

Still unskilled labor . So not regardless

137k a year with vacations and time off when retooling . Friend made more with unemployment and his cut pay during the retooling . He worked at the Tarrytown plant he also took the move to Maryland when they shuddered the NY plant . They gave him a huge incentive bonus to move . He went for the last 3 years of his employment with GM .

He used to work part time at my uncles body shop . He wouldn’t come in on Fridays because he and the guys would have “lunch” at the local bar . And go back to the plant my uncle told him he couldn’t work after drinking this was the late 70s early 80s . Nothing was said to him at GM .

 

[bwalker]

Still unskilled labor . So not regardless

137k a year with vacations and time off when retooling . Friend made more with unemployment and his cut pay during the retooling . He worked at the Tarrytown plant he also took the move to Maryland when they shuddered the NY plant . They gave him a huge incentive bonus to move . He went for the last 3 years of his employment with GM .

He used to work part time at my uncles body shop . He wouldn’t come in on Fridays because he and the guys would have “lunch” at the local bar . And go back to the plant my uncle told him he couldn’t work after drinking this was the late 70s early 80s . Nothing was said to him at GM .

To make 137k off $33 per hour you are working a pile of overtime. $33 per hour is around $68k a year, which indont think anyone would say is steller money.
We hire laborers for that sort of money and trainees that know nothing make close to $10 more.
In the 70's lots of guys drank their lunch. Times change and that has 40-50 years ago.

 

[SS396driver]

To make 137k off $33 per hour you are working a pile of overtime. $33 per hour is around $68k a year, which indont think anyone would say is steller money.
We hire laborers for that sort of money and trainees that know nothing make close to $10 more.
In the 70's lots of guys drank their lunch. Times change and that has 40-50 years ago.

Umm you have to put in benifits and bonuses like the Article stated they didn’t put in overtime .

And what is you do ? Is it skilled labor ?

Do you pay their benifits on par with the automakers ? Do you pay your laborers a bonus ?

30-50 years ago was the big decline in the American auto industry as was being discussed

 

[fields_mj]

Regardless its not great money.

I beg to differ. $33/hr for unskilled labor is dang good money ESPECIALLY if it doesn't take into account bonuses or benefits. That's almost $70k/yr. Most places don't pay that for an entry level engineering position, and those positions don't normally pay over time. I've worked a minimum of 50hrs per week for most of my life. $33/hr and 50hrs/wk with OT is over 93k per year. If an unskilled worker can't raise a family and have a good retirement on that, they have a serious spending problem. If you're starting pay for unskilled labor is over $80k, you company is run by fools and is not likely to survive.

 

[bwalker]

I beg to differ. $33/hr for unskilled labor is dang good money ESPECIALLY if it doesn't take into account bonuses or benefits. That's almost $70k/yr. Most places don't pay that for an entry level engineering position, and those positions don't normally pay over time. I've worked a minimum of 50hrs per week for most of my life. $33/hr and 50hrs/wk with OT is over 93k per year. If an unskilled worker can't raise a family and have a good retirement on that, they have a serious spending problem. If you're starting pay for unskilled labor is over $80k, you company is run by fools and is not likely to survive.

Well, it's been in business for nearly 100 years so I think we will do just fine.
You are also assuming it's all unskilled labor.

 

[SS396driver]

Well, it's been in business for nearly 100 years so I think we will do just fine.
You are also assuming it's all unskilled labor.

So your saying you pay more the auto industry for skilled labor . Your talking out of both sides of your mouth

 

[fields_mj]

Well, it's been in business for nearly 100 years so I think we will do just fine.
You are also assuming it's all unskilled labor.

Skilled labor is a different discussion all together. That's not a terrible starting wage for skilled labor, but you'd be hard pressed to keep them on the pay roll for very long if you're not bumping them up the pay scale rather quickly.

 

[bwalker]

So your saying you pay more the auto industry for skilled labor . Your talking out of both sides of your face

I'm saying the company i work for takes inexpiereanced people off the street and pays them close to $10 per hour more than the auto industry average. We pay laborers to sweep floors, clean up etc roughly what the auto industry average is.
Is that clear?

 

[bwalker]

Skilled labor is a different discussion all together. That's not a terrible starting wage for skilled labor, but you'd be hard pressed to keep them on the pay roll for very long if you're not bumping them up the pay scale rather quickly.

The figures I quoted are for entry level with no expierance.
And to be clear you are assuming that the auto industry is all unskilled work. That's not true at all. In fact with all the automation present alot of it is highly skilled.

 

[bwalker]

I beg to differ. $33/hr for unskilled labor is dang good money ESPECIALLY if it doesn't take into account bonuses or benefits. That's almost $70k/yr. Most places don't pay that for an entry level engineering position, and those positions don't normally pay over time. I've worked a minimum of 50hrs per week for most of my life. $33/hr and 50hrs/wk with OT is over 93k per year. If an unskilled worker can't raise a family and have a good retirement on that, they have a serious spending problem. If you're starting pay for unskilled labor is over $80k, you company is run by fools and is not likely to survive.

The other thing to think about is McDonalds is advertising $17 per hour right now. My HS age daughter working in retail makes around $16 per hour. $33 per hour is not great money in today's world. 20 years ago it was decent money.

 

[bwalker]

Thnother thing I would say is that I am no fan of the UAW. One of the worse unions out there...
Even so, we have to be honest when discussing this stuff.

 

[fields_mj]

The other thing to think about is McDonalds is advertising $17 per hour right now. My HS age daughter working in retail makes around $16 per hour. $33 per hour is not great money in today's world. 20 years ago it was decent money.

As I understand your posts, you're saying that you're company essentially pays $43/hr ($90k/yr) for people to push a broom. There's a HUGE difference between $16-$17/hr (35k/yr) and $43/hr (90k/yr). Honestly, companies paying $43/hr to push a broom is one of the main reason's people think they should be making a lot more money working at McDonalds. If both jobs paid $17/hr, I'd MUCH rather push a broom than work in fast food or retail. So if pushing a broom is actually worth $90k/yr, its hard to logically justify not paying nearly the same for other unskilled positions.

Don't get me wrong. I realize that pushing the broom for a company that generates 70%-90% profits is going to pay a lot more than pushing a broom for a company that's struggling to break even. Then there's the reality that the company can outsource a lot of its production, or move the facility offshore to a cheaper labor market. Everyone wants to complain about jobs leaving the US (including me), but the reality is that if employers are having to pay $90k/yr for someone to push a broom, they would be stupid NOT move production to where the labor is cheaper. Older, family owned businesses have resisted this, but those companies are going by the way side. Either the economics catch up with them and they go under, or a larger company buys them out and absorbs their production into their existing cheaper labor markets.

 

[SS396driver]

I'm saying the company i work for takes inexpiereanced people off the street and pays them close to $10 per hour more than the auto industry average. We pay laborers to sweep floors, clean up etc roughly what the auto industry average is.
Is that clear?

What’s the benefit package ?

43 an hour to sweep floors ? Sounds a little out of the norm.