Look out OWB owners. theyre gunning for you

[Husky137]

"Industry literature indicates that a commonly sized residential unit can easily accommodate wood pieces that are 30 inches in diameter and 72 inches long."


Maybe if you bent the piece in the middle and didn't have to stick it in the door and the thing was completely empty.

And you could load it with a grapple.:greenchainsaw:


of course my mid sized CB only has a firebox 5 feet deep at the deepest point and a door 23" wide. I guess ignoring the facts is the best way to promote an agenda. It has capacity to replace 500 gallons of oil a month, certainly not typical.

I see dozens of the magical epa woodstoves billowing clouds of smoke everday. My owb is soooooo smoky that the only neighbors who know I have one are the ones I showed it to.

 

[ktm rider]

While I am not a big fan of OWB's it is not because of the smoke they produce. The one I previously owned did not smoke any more than an indoor wood stove. now you can believe that if you want to but it is the truth.
The reason i got rid of it was its short burn times and inefficiency. ( But that is not the point here)

I have absolutely no problems with OWB's, they just were not for me..
I have read quite a few articles about OWB's and most are written with a slanted view for sure. here is one site that promotes wood heat but LOVES to bash OWB's. http://www.woodheat.org/q&a/qaoutboiler.htm
don't bother trying to write a rebuttal about thier views. I tried and all I got was a nasty email back and of course he didn't put my rebuttal on his site...

 

[JeffHK454]

Who benefits from the ban on OWB's ?

I personally think it's the first step in baning all wood burning ,from the OWB to the high efficiency wood stove.

The OWB is just an easy target.

Jeff

 

[MS-310]

Why does these indoor wood companys bash OWB??? Lets think, they worrie about them taking sales away from them.

 

[grandpatractor]

Its just like any thing else inthe world -used improperly and it isn't good. lets ban cars too that will stop them drunk drivers.

 

[grandpatractor]

Why doesn't the epa go after the wisconsin dnr for doing all the controled burns in the wildlife refuges . There is a whole lota smoke going up there. and maybe they should make them volcanos stop all their emisions while their at it. And get them Farting cows too. :help: Now I'm getting wound up to much:angry2:

 

[Butch(OH)]

Who benefits from the ban on OWB's ?

I personally think it's the first step in baning all wood burning ,from the OWB to the high efficiency wood stove.

The OWB is just an easy target.

Jeff

Exactly my stance and worded very well, much better than I would have put it.

I hope none of you take my responses personal, they are not meant to be. When people with the good of the world in mind invented the EPA and it's various arms home cooking and heating fires and devices were excepted and for good reason. There were (and still are) LOTS bigger fish to fry in the world of air pollution than the relatively few people who burn wood for home heating. As reported by me in an earlier thread (started by RSpike if you wanna look), when tested in a fair manner by a laboratory hired by the EPA, (link provided back on that thread and I am too lazy too go get it for here), OWBS were found to emit little more than your typical wood stove when compared on a delivered BTU basis, naturaly an OWB that has the abulity to make X 100,000BTUs is going to emit more pollution at max output than a wood stove that only makes 1/2 the BTUs but that is the illusion the antis like to use to promote their case. Troubles is If my OWB worked that hard all the time I would have to knock out a wall so I could stand to be inside the housee. Again from the article I quoted above the EPA isn't happy with any of the currently availible wood heating devices icluding your EPA stoves. WHAT WAS THAT YOU SAY??:angry2: I didnt say it men, read the articles.

Promoting the regulation of OWBS will bite us in the rear because they will come back on stove owners too saying yours are worse (and they are) than other forms of heat. Give the EPA an inch and they will try to take a mile, they have a track record of that.

I enjoy my OWB and you guys enjoy your stoves and that is a grand situation that should continue. People that burn tires, ties etc should be horse whipped no matter what they are burned in. And the dickens with the EPA and the socialists that run it.

I said it, and I am glad I said it

 

[grandpatractor]

Here's to you Butch!

 

[JeffHK454]

People who breathe?




Yep, that's what I was thinking.

You mean it's not the high efficiency stove producers trying to undermine a competitor?

In ten years burning wood as fuel will be illegal! In a OWB or anything else!

Butch , well said!

 

[hockeypuck]

pre-emptive "spike"

Before someone gets on here and says that it is the use of OWB's that will cause the epa to ban them and only them, do you really think that some pin headed, tree hugging liberal will note the difference between woodstoves and OWB's, you are crazy. Washington is notorious for throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Puck

 

[Butch(OH)]

The fact that many OWB users don't seem to get that air pollution causes serious health problems in many parts of the USA is what has made it possible for so many companies to produce and sell such poor performing OWBs.

EPA standards for OWB's will improve the performance of OWB's just like they did for indoor wood stoves. The companies that can't meet the standards will go by the wayside and that is a good thing.

Serious air quality problems in Denver and Seattle prompted wood burning regulations years ago.

http://www.denvergov.org/CP/template321006.asp

"The fact that many OWB users don't seem to get that air pollution causes serious health problems in many parts of the USA is what has made it possible for so many companies to produce and sell such poor performing OWBs."

Ya lost me there somewhere? Care to re state that?

"EPA standards for OWB's will improve the performance of OWB's just like they did for indoor wood stoves. The companies that can't meet the standards will go by the wayside and that is a good thing."

The EPA isn't at all happy with your EPA stove my friend. According to the EPA article I keep on quoting my OWB is a mountain sized pollution problem but so is your EPA stove
Your stove is a 10 foot shorter mountain, but none the less still a mountain,, get it?

If a person chooses to believe the EPA lore that is his prerogative and I am surely not going to change his mind with this keyboard, BUT said person becomes a hypocrite when he states he is dong the environment a favor by burning an EPA stove, why? Because the same data you quote says so. Surely not because I said so.

"Serious air quality problems in Denver and Seattle prompted wood burning regulations years ago."

Notice that all forms of wood heat are banned, not just my ghastly OWB? Why is that?

Is it because they are after all forms of wood heat as suggested elsewhere?or

because the stoves pollute just as much?

Or because they are clueless and looking for scapegoats?

 

[Hansson]

Why doesn't the epa go after the wisconsin dnr for doing all the controled burns in the wildlife refuges . There is a whole lota smoke going up there. and maybe they should make them volcanos stop all their emisions while their at it. And get them Farting cows too. :help: Now I'm getting wound up to much:angry2:

In sweden there mayby going to be a tax for the farting cows!

And its true !! :jawdrop:

 

[IndyIan]

I don't know if I would be moving away if I had a neighbor that was smoking me out of my house with their outdoor boiler, if the authorities wouldn't do anything, well, shotgun slugs are pretty cheap...:angry2:

Seriously, since there are always some people that think only of themselves I think all wood burning stoves are going to be made to be pretty much idiot proof.
I think the solution for all wood burning stoves is to have an automatic draft control that makes the fire burn at a clean burning temperature, not by heat demand or lack of demand.
Then people wouldn't burn green wood as the draft would be wide open to maintain a clean burning temperature and they would get short burn times.
Also people would have to size an indoor stove to their heat load and have a suitabley sized fire, so they wouldn't get their house over heated.
Boilers would also have to be installed with heat storage tanks as well which I think makes a lot of sense.

I almost hope there will be more regulations of wood stoves as I'm sure there is way more lobby money from the oil/gas industry then total sales of woodstoves...

 

[Ekka]

There is technology that pretty much stops the smoke ... just need to make it a standard like ANSI does for tree climbers... then have as many OWB as you like.

 

[HOT SAW]

clean burning owb

OWB,smoke less then people think they do if you burn the right wood,coal,corn in them,and if you are heating with a indoor boiler you have to buy a sepret unit for your garage,shop,barn,milkhouse,so if you heat with a owb you can heat more than one building more square feet with one unit.How much smoke wood three indoor boilers smoke if you had to heat three buildings?OWB

 

[highpower]

OWB,smoke less then people think they do if you burn the right wood,coal,corn in them,and if you are heating with a indoor boiler you have to buy a sepret unit for your garage,shop,barn,milkhouse,so if you heat with a owb you can heat more than one building more square feet with one unit.How much smoke wood three indoor boilers smoke if you had to heat three buildings?OWB

I agree with several points that have been brought up on the thread. The most important one maybe the people against the OWB will be against all wood burning soon. There is probably a 1000:1 ratio of indoor wood stoves to OWB. This is just exactly like gun control. They say all they want to outlaw is those nasty assault stoves you regular sporting wood burners are safe as long as you jump through a few minor hoops. Just my opinion.

 

[windthrown]

That was an interesting read. Anyone considering an OWB needs to read up. There is serious talk about taking away your right to use an already purchased and installed OWB. Emissions have been measured as high as 20 to 40 times the level of epa indoor stoves.

They have been blowing smoke about this for years. Mainly the NY State BS and Disinformation factory, formerly known as the NY State Attorney General's Office. In almost ALL cases, be it cars, fireplaces, etc. the EPA will grandfather the existing units. For example, in the SF bay area of CA, they banned all wood burning appliances and fireplaces in home construction many years ago. They did not ban any existing fireplaces or stoves, nor do they keep people from using them. In other words, the 'Fahrenheit 451' Firemen are not going to come to your house and melt down your OWBs for scrap. Well, wait a minute, maybe in MA and NY state they will.

 

[windthrown]

Ban on all wood burning?

In ten years burning wood as fuel will be illegal! In a OWB or anything else!

I doubt that wood burning will ever be outright illegal, especially in the rural areas of the US. No way to ban it around here in the middle of timber country. Mainly the entire lumber sawmill industry runs on burning wood chips and sawdust to run the mills. Also 90% of the houses around us are heated with wood.

Large populated areas like the SF Bay Area in CA have already banned building new homes with wood burning appliances and fireplaces. But the existing ones are grandfathered. They also have no-wood burn days there when the smoke is bad in winter months. Same around here in places like Eugene.

Also in 10 years oil will be so expensive post-oil peak that we will be burning anything and everything that will burn. Coal mostly in the US. Talk about dirty fuel and emissions, but it is all the US will have left if the population refuses to build any more nuclear power plants. The real emmission issue of the future is with CO2 causing global warming, not wood smoke. While burning wood does release CO2, it will do the same if left to rot on the ground. The same amount of CO2 is released either way.