McCulloch Chain Saws

[promac850]

Refresh my memory here .... our neighbor had an IH truck from the late 60s something like a early 80s Suburban. What was it called (I am thinking Travelall)? Thanks!

YES!! My gramps used to have a Travelall years ago, before I was born... I wish I could have it... no idea where it could be now.

 

[Eccentric]

Here's a nice IH Scout for ya...

1979 International Scout II

Look and drool... :msp_drool: Me likey that Scout II...

That's a nice Scout II. I have a 1974 Scout II and a 1967 Scout 800. Glad to see that guy didn't pull the IHC engine and swap in a chebby 350. Nothing against SBC's....................but if you want to run one then buy a K5!

Refresh my memory here .... our neighbor had an IH truck from the late 60s something like a early 80s Suburban. What was it called (I am thinking Travelall)? Thanks!

You and the Shop Monkey are right Ted. That rig would be a Travelall. Great rigs. My 4-Door 3/4-Ton 1971 4WD IHC pickup is called a 1210 Travelette. From the back of the cab forward, it looks just like a Travelall. Uses the same doors. My rig has a 392 4V V8, and a T34 IHC/Fuller O/D 5-speed manual. My '74 SII has a 345 and a T19 4-speed. The '67 Scout 800 has a 196 I4 (basically 1/2 of the 392 V8) and a T18 four speed.

When I was in HS, a buddy's dad had a 2WD 1971 1010 (1/2 ton with independant front end) Travelall with a 392. We used to cause all kinds of trouble with that beast. Wish I'd gotten it from him. Biggest issue with these IHC rigs is rust. There's ways around that. Almost everything is available for them (including sheet metal). You just have to know where to look. There is a FIERCE, close-knit fan base, and a strong aftermarket.

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In the end of Sometimes a Great Notion (AKA Never Give an Inch), you get a quick view of a red/white Scout 80 or Scout 800. That's as the union townsfolk are driving up to the river's edge to watch the Stampers take all of their MCCULLOCH CUT and BUCKED timber down the river.

The rig Burt Reynolds drives to the river in Deliverance is a 1971 Scout 800B. No McCullochs there though..

In the 'chick flick' Steel Magnolias, the husband of Dolly Parton's character drives a green/white Scout 800A.

In the Antonio Banderas flick Desperado, there's a black Scout II and a blue/white Loadstar schoolbus (church bus in the flick).

Walter Mathau's character drives a FANTASTIC camo-painted 4WD 1969-1973 IHC Travelall in the Grumpy Old Men movies.

I could go on and on....

 

[Warped5]

You and the Shop Monkey are right Ted. That rig would be a Travelall. Great rigs. My 4-Door 3/4-Ton 1971 4WD IHC pickup is called a 1210 Travelette. From the back of the cab forward, it looks just like a Travelall. Uses the same doors. My rig has a 392 4V V8, and a T34 IHC/Fuller O/D 5-speed manual. My '74 SII has a 345 and a T19 4-speed. The '67 Scout 800 has a 196 I4 (basically 1/2 of the 392 V8) and a T18 four speed.

When I was in HS, a buddy's dad had a 2WD 1971 1010 (1/2 ton with independant front end) Travelall with a 392. We used to cause all kinds of trouble with that beast. Wish I'd gotten it from him. Biggest issue with these IHC rigs is rust. There's ways around that. Almost everything is available for them (including sheet metal). You just have to know where to look. There is a FIERCE, close-knit fan base, and a strong aftermarket.

Outstanding! I remember the middle & rear BENCH seats could be removed .... BOY was there room in there! A couple of engines and other misc parts were no problem!

 

[promac850]

That's a nice Scout II. I have a 1974 Scout II and a 1967 Scout 800. Glad to see that guy didn't pull the IHC engine and swap in a chebby 350. Nothing against SBC's....................but if you want to run one then buy a K5!



You and the Shop Monkey are right Ted. That rig would be a Travelall. Great rigs. My 4-Door 3/4-Ton 1971 4WD IHC pickup is called a 1210 Travelette. From the back of the cab forward, it looks just like a Travelall. Uses the same doors. My rig has a 392 4V V8, and a T34 IHC/Fuller O/D 5-speed manual. My '74 SII has a 345 and a T19 4-speed. The '67 Scout 800 has a 196 I4 (basically 1/2 of the 392 V8) and a T18 four speed.

When I was in HS, a buddy's dad had a 2WD 1971 1010 (1/2 ton with independant front end) Travelall with a 392. We used to cause all kinds of trouble with that beast. Wish I'd gotten it from him. Biggest issue with these IHC rigs is rust. There's ways around that. Almost everything is available for them (including sheet metal). You just have to know where to look. There is a FIERCE, close-knit fan base, and a strong aftermarket.

I agree with you on the engine swapping crap... it sickens me... like an LS1 into a nice 1994 Mazda RX-7... they hack up the engine bay and mess up the wiring to put that v8 in... Or putting a SBC into a Ford Mustang (did anyone ever do that anyways?) Or taking a nice IH engine out an putting something else in that doesn't ever belong in the engine bay of a different name vehicle...

About the only swaps I am okay with are ones within the same brand name (I.E. Nissan Skyline GT-R RB26 DETT into an old Nissan Maxima wagon like mine, or a 632 cubic inch World Merlin Chevy V8 into the Suburban...) Exceptions would be the old VW Beetles... I think it'd be pretty damn cool to have one with a SBC or a turbocharged RX-7 engine in it...

Got some troublemaking stories about that Travelall you are talking about? Me wants to hear them.

 

[Eccentric]

I agree with you on the engine swapping crap... it sickens me... like an LS1 into a nice 1994 Mazda RX-7... they hack up the engine bay and mess up the wiring to put that v8 in... Or putting a SBC into a Ford Mustang (did anyone ever do that anyways?) Or taking a nice IH engine out an putting something else in that doesn't ever belong in the engine bay of a different name vehicle...

About the only swaps I am okay with are ones within the same brand name (I.E. Nissan Skyline GT-R RB26 DETT into an old Nissan Maxima wagon like mine, or a 632 cubic inch World Merlin Chevy V8 into the Suburban...) Exceptions would be the old VW Beetles... I think it'd be pretty damn cool to have one with a SBC or a turbocharged RX-7 engine in it...

Got some troublemaking stories about that Travelall you are talking about? Me wants to hear them.

I'll share most of 'em at a later time. Much of the mischief involved messing with the punks that were driving the lowered mini-trucks with the hydraulics and the beds full of speakers (we're talking late-'80s here). Same kinda vermin that are into the sport-compact 'fart can muffler' Hondas and such now.

 

[rwoods]

Aaron, while we are off saws for a minute - I worked at a junk yard during my first year of college and during summer breaks. As you probably know, IH outsourced many parts and any given model could have several different vendors and retrofits. Anyway the boys in the yard hated IHs for this reason, they claimed you could take the door off an IH, lean it against the fender and the next day it wouldn't fit. I put many miles on my grandfather's 1972 Scout II. His had the 304 and the Chrysler heavy duty ??? torqueflight 727 ??? transmission. I love it. Dana 44 axles and heavy transfer case (all stock). Only real issues were lack of ground clearance and a fan that would throw water on the front mounted distributor which would shut you down in a hurry. Many don't have a clue as to how tough IH made the Scout II; too bad rust is eating most of them. Probably the closest US built suv in toughness to a Toyota FJ40. I would love to have that old 72 but she's gone. Ron

 

[Eccentric]

Aaron, while we are off saws for a minute - I worked at a junk yard during my first year of college and during summer breaks. As you probably know, IH outsourced many parts and any given model could have several different vendors and retrofits. Anyway the boys in the yard hated IHs for this reason, they claimed you could take the door off an IH, lean it against the fender and the next day it wouldn't fit. I put many miles on my grandfather's 1972 Scout II. His had the 304 and the Chrysler heavy duty ??? torqueflight 727 ??? transmission. I love it. Dana 44 axles and heavy transfer case (all stock). Only real issues were lack of ground clearance and a fan that would throw water on the front mounted distributor which would shut you down in a hurry. Many don't have a clue as to how tough IH made the Scout II; too bad rust is eating most of them. Probably the closest US built suv in toughness to a Toyota FJ40. I would love to have that old 72 but she's gone. Ron

Those guys are out of their tree. IHC did their own sheet metal at the Ft Wayne, IN plant. I've pieced several IHC light line (scout/pickup/travelall) vehicles together. Their tollerances weren't any greater than with the other 'big 3'. IHC did indeed use the 727 TF in the auto-trans Scout II's and some travelalls. They also use the Borg-Warner auto (similar to a Ford FMX) in their pickups and earlier auto-trans Scouts (some 800A's and 800B's). Want weird??? IHC bought the leftover Buick bell pattern TF727's that had been intended for Landrovers (which ran a version of the 215 Buick V8), and used a special adapter ring to install them on the Nissan SD33 and SD33T diesels used in diesel Scout II's. IHC did use 'common' vendors for many parts. Some of the parts (such as alternators) were generic off the shelf stuff. Other parts, such as (axles from Dana and transmissions from Borg Warner) were made to IHC specs for their vehicles. The divorced NP202 and NP205 transfer cases used in the IHC pickups and Travelalls were just about identical to several used by Jeep and GM. The Borg Warner manual transmissions used in IHC vehicles usualy had a proprietary case-to-bellhousing bolt pattern, and their bellhousings were proprietary (same with the tranny input shaft lengths).

Some of the T90 and T18 Borg Warner transmissions used in early Scouts have the same bell-to-case pattern as early Jeep trucks (but the shaft length is different). The Dana 18 and Dana 20 transfer cases used in Scouts and Scout II's were basically identical to those used in Jeeps. The Dana 300 TC used in 1980-only Scout II's is unique in that it uses a bull gear and the Dana 18/20 bolt pattern rather than the setup used on the common Jeep Dana 300 TC's. The I4 equipped Scout 80 and Scout 800 transmissions are unique to those vehicles, and use a special 15degree rotated bellhousing (to make the engine 'less slanted'). I4 Scout II's used the 'V8 style'. I6 Scouts used the 'V8 style' transmissions, but have a special IHC-Jeep bellhousing and a steel 'adaptor bushing' pressed onto the pilot shaft of the IHC transmission. There's more... A guy could go crazy figuring this stuff out. Took me years to get it down....:help:

Funny you mention the FJ40 in relation to the Scouts. I feel the same way. I have an arborist buddy who unfortunately moved away to Oregon. For years, he had a 1982 FJ40 (he sold it a couple years ago......dammit). We used to wheel together. We'd make fun of each others rigs, but both had SERIOUS respect for 'em. Both rigs were rust prone and tough. I stood his FJ40 on the rear trailer hitch once! Got it in reverse and wooded it just in time. We pulled each other out of trouble a few times over the years. I still have my Scouts. The distributor isn't any more succeptible to water troubles than what's on any other rig if things are setup right. Also, if you're going in water THAT deep, you should loosen your fanbelt for the crossing so you don't motorboat the fan into the radiator..:msp_thumbup:

 

[RandyMac]

I-Hs, once you have filled the glovebox full of dash knobs, window cranks and door handles, the rest lives on.

 

[GrizzlyAdams86]

A International Harvester M1 Garand would be nice, but the last one I saw for sale was $2500-$3000. But as for McCullochs, I found a good running and good shape PM 700 for sale localy....just wish I had a spare $100.

 

[Eccentric]

I-Hs, once you have filled the glovebox full of dash knobs, window cranks and door handles, the rest lives on.

Quiet you!:jester:

A International Harvester M1 Garand would be nice, but the last one I saw for sale was $2500-$3000. But as for McCullochs, I found a good running and good shape PM 700 for sale localy....just wish I had a spare $100.

You've got that right. Back before I was into IHC's, I could have gotten a refurbed IHC M1 Garand from the DCM (now the CMP) for about $200. After I WAS into IHC's, they were still available for $700-$800 or so from the CMP. Now.........................they're only available on the 'open' market, and you pay twice that for a clapped out example. See if you can get that PM700. Offer to trade something. Cut some wood for the seller. Fix their truck. Etc. I REALLY dig my PM700.

 

[RandyMac]

Ha Ha ha

 

[cpr]

Try to rescue anything and everything that's International Harvester related too. I might just have to promote you if you make the right find!

Such as a 1256 or 1456 s/n 501. I'd ask for a 1206 with that, but I know where it is. I'd settle for a IH fridge to keep my beer cold this fall when I return to the 791R and the SP-101R...

 

[rwoods]

Those guys are out of their tree. IHC did their own sheet metal at the Ft Wayne, IN plant. I've pieced several IHC light line (scout/pickup/travelall) vehicles together. Their tollerances weren't any greater than with the other 'big 3'.

Funny you mention the FJ40 in relation to the Scouts. I feel the same way.

Aaron, they weren't poking fun at the sheet metal - just expressing their frustration over pulling two or three wiper motors (or some other small part) from the same model IH and finding that it is still the wrong one.

I have quite of bit of TLC time. I have loved and driven them for almost 40 years now. I still own a 82 FJ40 (all original except overseas tranny, full floater BJ 70 rear, and FJZ 80 lockers front and rear) which I rolled twice in one weekend - first on the driver's side then the passenger side to even things out - but for landing the second time on a rock with the windshield frame, no damage you would take the time to fix. My daily driver is a 93 FJZ 80 with factory lockers front and rear and an OME lift; driven it everyday since new in September 1993. It will haul several McCullochs in deep and bring you back.

Ron

 

[GrizzlyAdams86]

Quiet you!:jester:



You've got that right. Back before I was into IHC's, I could have gotten a refurbed IHC M1 Garand from the DCM (now the CMP) for about $200. After I WAS into IHC's, they were still available for $700-$800 or so from the CMP. Now.........................they're only available on the 'open' market, and you pay twice that for a clapped out example. See if you can get that PM700. Offer to trade something. Cut some wood for the seller. Fix their truck. Etc. I REALLY dig my PM700.

Dad helped my cousin's grandpa find a IH M1 Garand in the 90's. He carried one in Korea and wanted one in his collection, so dad helped him find one. He had to pay the "high" (for that time)price of $800 for it. Friends landlord paid $600 for a Springfield Armory M1 with a "iffy" barrel 2 years ago. As for the PM 700, I am thinking of trading the Husky 480CD in my sig for it, but I still need to get the carb for it from my friend yet.

 

[8433jeff]

I-Hs, once you have filled the glovebox full of dash knobs, window cranks and door handles, the rest lives on.

Or the toolbox with TA's, rear ends, etc., etc.:jester::jester::jester:.
Wait, thats Farmalls. Same outfit.

Tell me about 1-76's.

 

[c_e_carter]

Mac G-70 help needed

Hello all, I am in the need of a shop manual and some hard to find parts for my G-70. I had PMed one member that I had found in a search, but no luck yet with a response. If anyone could help me out it would be greatly appreciated. The thing I need most currently is a fuel tank gasket. Again any help would be great.

 

[heimannm]

Jeff - 1-76 = Grunt...

Mark

 

[8433jeff]

Common rings, bearings? Anything made from unobtainableium? What carb am I looking for?

 

[rwoods]

New MAC Project

Another young man has taken up a challenge. This time, Jacob aka ChainsawmanXX. The saw: SP81E. Don't expect an original restoration as I don't have all original parts (e.g. SP81 AFC not 81E; plain recoil cover, etc). If you want to help him, he is going to need a muffler as mine is completely shot (10-10 & 700 inlets are too small so he'll need a SP 80 - 81 or a PM850 muffler); a Zama carb kit; an old style bucking spike with screws; a sprocket; and seals unless he wants to chance it. I don't know if it needs bearings or not. He'll be getting some NOS parts - recoil cover, sawdust guard, air filter and rings. And some decent replacement parts - chain brake, recoil and sawdust grill. His handle bar has chain rash which should be welded but I am assuming he can get that done locally. He'll have plenty of work... electronic coil from the 600 series (need to shorten the lead), a 600 flywheel if he wants to replace the present flywheel that has a chipped fin, matching up screws, replacing the trigger assembly, etc. I hope to get it boxed and mailed this weekend. Ron

 

[Eccentric]

Or the toolbox with TA's, rear ends, etc., etc.:jester::jester::jester:.
Wait, thats Farmalls. Same outfit.

Like JD never had any recalls or other issues....:censored:

If you're not careful, I'll paint that C-5 IHC red and put a big honkin' "Tractor Man" decal on it...:jester:

Tell me about 1-76's.

Common rings, bearings? Anything made from unobtainableium? What carb am I looking for?

Do you now have a 1-76 Jeff? Spillit!opcorn:

What do you want to know? 99cc. RH start. Carb will be a damn McFlatback with a primer, or a Tillotson HL19 with a butterfly choke. I prefer the Tillys, and have one spare HL19 that's not spoken for. These saws had the air-vane governor, which works fine........or you can disable it without drama if you want. Bearings and seals are shared with many other Macs such as the 700/800 series and are also available from local bearing houses. Pistons/rings and such are shared with some other 99cc Macs. Gaskets aren't too hard to find. Stuff's about as available as parts for other old Macs. You need part numbers for rings and such?