MS440 vs. MS441

[Lakeside53]

The wise will go with a proven saw......the MS460.........and leave the beta testing to the gullible.

I'm with you Tree - EVERYONE -BUY the 460 -It costs more - Stihl makes more money!!!:rockn: :rockn:


Hmmm, so everyone that bought (or buys) a 441 is GULLIBLE.. you sure know how to make friends!!!:bang: :bang:

 

[Lakeside53]

Ok, I have had enough. Reading all the the hashing of 440,441,460. Why not just buy the 440,441,460 killer. The Dolmar 7900. 79cc, Lighter, faster, more HP! :hmm3grin2orange: :biggrinbounce2:
http://www.dolmarusa.com/site/managed/html/produkt/4080/PS-7900
Pic of my blue one, I call the 460 mag killer.

YES - TREECO - Buy this one and leave the meer employees to service the needs of the eager, but gullible!

 

[Lakeside53]

A couple of things. Strato charged engines work by using a unique port layout that sets up a "slug" fresh of air in between the incoming fule/oil/air mix and the exhaust. This air is then used to blow down the cylinder(scaveng). This intern reduces the all important unburnt HC emmisions,virtually eliminates smell/smoke and saves alot of fuel.
As far as consumption goes, I do not have any hard data. The only thing I can say is that the Redmax blower I have will run a very long time on a tank of fuel, Probaly twice as long as the Stihl BR-420 it replaced and the Redmax has a bigger motor to boot.
Now doubt the next generation of Strato engines from stihl and Husky will be better than the ones we are eeing now. At least the Stihl 441 doesnt have a rev limiter like the 575.
BTW one more thing for you guys to consider. A starto engine has much less oil going through it than a regular two stroke and runs hotter so oil quality is very important. The guys using outboard oil will get themselves into trouble quick with these engines.

Do you have any links to "Strato-charging" technology and info? I did a quick search. but came up with nothing particularly interesting.

 

[bwalker]

Lakeside, I have a few technical papers on Strato type engines that I got off the SAE website I believe. The problem is they are on my other computer. There is very little info on the net about these engines.

Ok, I have had enough. Reading all the the hashing of 440,441,460. Why not just buy the 440,441,460 killer. The Dolmar 7900. 79cc, Lighter, faster, more HP!

No thanks. At leats not untill they get serious about have a real dealer and parts network.

 

[CaseyForrest]

Running cleaner & polluting less is not a step backwards. It is progress, significant progress.
Running smoother and less fatiguing to the operator is not a step backwards. More progress...

Weight to power ratio is not the only measure of a saw's performance.

Are you ignoring simple things like that or are you just stupid?

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My vote is stupidity. The reason I vote this is because he continues to frequent a dealer that cant get not one, but two brand new saws running. All the while able to sell the other two they have without issue.

Something doesnt add up. Its either stupidity, or he is lying about it.

 

[McCartman]

Well since you brought it up, here is my take.

They stand to gain job security if their actions increase sales for Stihl.
Talking up the competition would have the opposite effect. It's marketing 101. Yes, even the guys working on the saws in the back room have better job security if Stihl Inc. does well.

Do we really believe actors on television when they do commercials? Most of us know they are talking for the money.

I don't think Lake is doing it near as much as Thall. Thall is just like an actor in a commercial. All positive spin........no negatives.

It's blatantly obvious if you follow the discussion. I didn't get in the discussion until almost page 50 of Thall's praise of the 441.

Now, even YOU have to admit that is pretty weak! You talk like 90% of chainsaw owners/operators are right here at AS. As if Lake and Thall's postings are going to make or break Stihl.

You know as well as I that the both of them could have posted that the 441 is nothing more than a Sherman Tank with a Volkswagon Beetle motor in it and they would both have a job a year from now - selling and/or servicing STIHL.

Sorry, but you're gonna have to do better than that....

 

[chowdozer]

Well since you brought it up, here is my take.

They stand to gain job security if their actions increase sales for Stihl.

The 441 threads have been going for more than a month. How many have bought 441's? Two? and Thall was one of them.

Treetroll, you are a few sandwiches shy of a picnic. Give it a rest.

 

[AJLOGGER]

it's been a long time since i posted here, but some things never change. every time a stihl supporter post positive things about a stihl saw someone always makes a comment that all they are trying to do is sell stihl saws. especially if a dealer makes a comment like they are some kind of propaganda ministers for stihl. now i haven't tried the 441 yet, however i bet it is a very good saw. given stihl's record and reputation in saws, i doubt they are concerned that husky or another brand is going to run them out of buisness. there are a lot of other good saws out there but don't get cocky. a good product is a good product at least thats what millions of people who rely on them say.:bang:

 

[Lakeside53]

Treetroll, you are a few sandwiches shy of a picnic. Give it a rest.

 

[Lakeside53]

\Chow you do have a good point. Wonder where all those buyers are?

They are out cutting wood! Only the obsessed and unemployed stay on AS all day and night.

And before you ask, I'm obsessed, and watching you...

 

[CaseyForrest]

Ive never seen 11.2 ounces turn into a crusade agaist something one has never touched.

 

[rahtreelimbs]

Not wishing hard luck on anyone at all. Or loss of their job.

The 441 will not turn out the be the saw people expect. It's specs are poor and as yet its long term dependability is unproven.

The wise will go with a proven saw......the MS460.........and leave the beta testing to the gullible.

I bet long term that more than a few problems will be found with the 441.

Dan your crystal ball abilities are above mere mortals..........

 

[THALL10326]

It could be that more have bought the 441 but they don't have time for the internet because they are still out in the woods cutting with a slow, heavy saw.

Chow you do have a good point. Wonder where all those buyers are?

LOL, are you still having fun over that saw. Since ya are let me say yup I bought one, sold 3 more and look to sell even more. Got to remember its only been out a few weeks. As of yet none have come back blown up, burnt up or dragged in by crane,LOLOL.

As for the buyers no fear Tree, they're everywhere. I had a great day today selling all the models, see I told you it takes all of them to float the boat. Anyway sorry I was busy selling today Tree, I would have kept ya company on here and continued this saga of the mighty 11 ounces that stole the AS site,hehe

 

[SinglerM]

Thall.

Thall,

I'm gettin' sick and tired of you pointing at me like that every time you have something to say.

 

[Old Monkey]

The 044 was and is my all time favorite saw. I have run Huskies and Stihls and like both. I also grew up rooting for both the A's and the Giants even though my friends said that was breaking some sort of cosmic law. I am very interested in the MS 441. I may buy one next spring when hope springs eternal again. I am interested in the all the substantive posts on this subject. Unfortunately, I do not have a filter on my browser that distill threads down to actual useful information and testimonials.

Perhaps if some folks could just filter themselves this thread could be useful.

 

[chowdozer]

It could be that more have bought the 441 but they don't have time for the internet because they are still out in the woods cutting with a slow, heavy saw.

Chow you do have a good point. Wonder where all those buyers are?

I hear the antivibe on the 441 is so good they don't get fatigued. I sure they're out cutting just like Lakeside said.

They sure aren't here. And why would they be? To defend the purchase of their 441 against someone who has never touched one?

 

[rahtreelimbs]

Ive never seen 11.2 ounces turn into a crusade agaist something one has never touched.

Dan just cut with a 12 oz. beer in the other hand while cutting with your beloved 440.............that should even things up.


Oh wait............the 440 has that bad old AV system...........so you can't hold the saw in only one hand................Oh Well!!!:deadhorse:

 

[Just Mow]

I know what i'm talking about..........
even though I have not seen it , felt it, or even heard it run........
I post on this thread because I am so dumb...........
I know
I Know
I Know
therefore,
I blow
I blow
I blow
And my name is
TREE CO

sorry if it not a very good poem but I was kind of busy cutting with my 441

 

[CaseyForrest]

 

[sawinredneck]

Do you do any climbing with a saw Tree?
Andy