MS440 vs. MS441

[Lakeside53]

All you guys thinking about emissions and fuel economy , let me give you a hint. Only a hint, 'cos I don't know the actual numbers (yet).

The 440 and similar machines spit up to to 35% of the gas mix as "unburnt".. Nice.. The stratocharging gets a bunch of that buring... Burning is combustion... combustion is what pushes the damn piston down.

I'll get some numbers for y'all, not that one or two will believe them, but it will sure fuel (pun intended) a new **** fight.

Maybe Ben Walker has some insight into the general processes or numbers in strato verses non-strato engines?

 

[sawinredneck]

Very good and interesting points Andy, and yes, I would like to hear Bens take on it as well!
I didn't buy any of my saws fo fuel mizzing just for workhorses, but with the price of gas maybe I should have thought a little more about that on my purchases:monkey:
Andy

 

[Lakeside53]

Fuel burned = work (power).

If you don't burn it, you need more for the same work.

If you burn it (verses spitting it out), better gas economy, and, lower emissions.

 

[sawinredneck]

I thought most of the fuel savings was from using fresh air instead of air mixed with fuel for purging the cylinder of spent gasses.

...and that stratocharging just packed more fuel/air mix into the crankcase...and then into the cylinder.

I am slowly grasping this myself, I take it as the "puff" of air, is on the exauhst side, forcing part of the unburnt fuel back into the cylinder, with a new charge coming in from the intake side as well, focing the engine to re-burn part of the exaust gas that was already burnt.
Clear as mudd?
Andy

 

[McCartman]

I'm really curious how Lake & Thall can be accused of "selling". If I understand correctly, Stihl does not allow a dealer to push/sell his saws outside of his territory? Thus no internet sales, etc....

Now, other than a few guys on this forum that may be actually in their territories, what do they stand to gain by "selling" to the rest of us?

 

[sawinredneck]

I'm really curious how Lake & Thall can be accused of "selling". If I understand correctly, Stihl does not allow a dealer to push/sell his saws outside of his territory? Thus no internet sales, etc....

Now, other than a few guys on this forum that may be actually in their territories, what do they stand to gain by "selling" to the rest of us?

UUUUUMMMMMMMMM.................... DUDE.................. That makes senseTHERE WILL BE NONE OF THAT HERE!!!!:deadhorse:

Now, go back to you're corner and think about what you have done:hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange:
Andy

 

[sawinredneck]

Sorry McCartman, couldn't help myself, please forgive?
Andy

 

[RaisedByWolves]

Another Stihl thread where I dont know whats going on.....Sigh...

 

[Lakeside53]

ohhh that's easy. :rockn: GUILTY of raising the brand awareness!!! Nothing like a 1400 post thread to get the name stuck in your head - like one of those tunes that won't go away...

I will of course take and donations from the dealers that did benefit - paypal me!

Hey, I can honestly say I haven't sold a single 441 to anyone that even knows what AS is!! I can extend that to just about everything sold though the store! AS what?

 

[sawinredneck]

Another Stihl thread where I dont know whats going on.....Sigh...

UUUUMMMMMMM.......... like we do either RBW:hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[THALL10326]

UUUUUMMMMMMMMM.................... DUDE.................. That makes senseTHERE WILL BE NONE OF THAT HERE!!!!:deadhorse:

Now, go back to you're corner and think about what you have done:hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange:
Andy

:hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: Hey now, its ok for a post to make sense now and then,lolololol, good one Andy.

 

[Lakeside53]

Let's see now... late Friday night and what are we all doing? Bunch of LOSERS

My excuse is that my mother-out-law is siting in the living room

 

[RaisedByWolves]

UUUUMMMMMMM.......... like we do either RBW:hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange:

Roger that!


Anybody need a beverage?

 

[THALL10326]

ohhh that's easy. :rockn: GUILTY of raising the brand awareness!!! Nothing like a 1400 post thread to get the name stuck in your head - like one of those tunes that won't go away...

I will of course take and donations from the dealers that did benefit - paypal me!

Hey, I can honestly say I haven't sold a single 441 to anyone that even knows what AS is!! I can extend that to just about everything sold though the store! AS what?

The 441 thanks to the AS site shall go down in history as THE saw that rocked the world, my how I feel so proud to be the one who started it off on its path to glory,:hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[sawinredneck]

Let's see now... late Friday night and what are we all doing? Bunch of LOSERS

My excuse is that my mother-out-law is siting in the living room

Can't think of a better one than that!!!!
Mine: Kid has been sick all week, to tired and lazy to move now!
Andy

 

[Lakeside53]

Another Stihl thread where I dont know whats going on.....Sigh...

You must be losing it... think..... think.... oh yes - same of ****.

Maybe one day we can have a nice tread... I tried, but a mod wannabe got stroppy.

 

[04ultra]

Let's see now... late Friday night and what are we all doing? Bunch of LOSERS

My excuse is that my mother-out-law is siting in the living room

Sorry to hear that..

 

[Lakeside53]

The 441 thanks to the AS site shall go down in history as THE saw that rocked the world, my how I feel so proud to be the one who started it off on its path to glory,:hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange:

Sure rocked Treeco's world

 

[Just Mow]

I just got back from my son's football game. I figured this thread would STIHL be going.
Long live the 441

 

[RaisedByWolves]

LOL, Stroppy!