MS441 R C-M M-Tronic Review and Mods

[Andyshine77]

The 441 oiler can be changed out to a HO like the 460.

How many tanks through each of them now?

The 441 has about a gallon the 576 about a half gallon.

 

[Andyshine77]

I love the 576, period. I'm also uncertain which system is better but I can tell you I prefer the "real-time interaction" of the 441. I do understand how others may not.

The question I have is it real time or slow time? If the adjustment is made fast and seamlessly you shouldn't feel the abrupt transition. This is my thinking anyway, I could be wrong.

 

[blsnelling]

I think it needs a CPU upgrade, lol.

 

[Andyshine77]

I think it needs a CPU upgrade, lol.

Hahahaha. The system works very well don't get me wrong, I like it, it's just different and with more time on the saw who knows.

 

[blsnelling]

Hahahaha. The system works very well don't get me wrong, I like it, it's just different and with more time on the saw who knows.

My thinking is if it's processing fast enough, you should never feel what it's doing. Who knows.

 

[Andyshine77]

My thinking is if it's processing fast enough, you should never feel what it's doing. Who knows.

I agree.

 

[Wild Knight]

I'm not sure what effect the MM had on the saw, but I doubt it's an issue. Like I said before a lot of this is subjective, but the 576 does seem to have smoother monitoring, does this matter much? not really.

I would bet that if the husky starts having the same issue once you put the MM on, then you will have your answer.

 

[MCW]

i think it needs a cpu upgrade, lol.

hahahaha. The system works very well don't get me wrong, i like it, it's just different and with more time on the saw who knows.

my thinking is if it's processing fast enough, you should never feel what it's doing. Who knows.

flash it!!!

 

[blsnelling]

I would bet that if the husky starts having the same issue once you put the MM on, then you will have your answer.

I seriously doubt that's the cause. The 441 did it right out of the box before the muffler was ever touched.

 

[parrisw]

As for the adjusting mixture thing, I'm guessing its just too slow to respond. Think of you car, if you were going down the road and it started surging up and down every time you changed the throttle position. Auto's adjust seamlessly and very fast, you never notice it.

 

[anymanusa]

As for the adjusting mixture thing, I'm guessing its just too slow to respond. Think of you car, if you were going down the road and it started surging up and down every time you changed the throttle position. Auto's adjust seamlessly and very fast, you never notice it.

Apples to oranges. 14000 rpm vs. 3000 rpm. Massive inertia and flywheel vs next to nothing in rotating mass. The stihl could be keeping the saw right on the edge of running too lean and the adding fuel based on immediate thermal readings. Im just trying to play devils advocate here.

 

[Andyshine77]

Apples to oranges. 14000 rpm vs. 3000 rpm. Massive inertia and flywheel vs next to nothing in rotating mass. The stihl could be keeping the saw right on the edge of running too lean and the adding fuel based on immediate thermal readings. Im just trying to play devils advocate here.

That's not how the system works, and the saw always seems to have plenty of fuel. The system works based on the rpm's under load.

 

[inthewoodsagain]

Update:

Thanks to the help of NorthEast Stihl which I was on the phone with for another 30 minutes today, the MS441RCM-25 was activated today for all dealers served by NorthEast Stihl. Any dealer in the NE can order this saw via their typical web-based ordering procedures - it now shows up under the search. NES does not stock this saw but I understand they will source the saw in about a week and will ship it to the dealer in the second week. So it's about a two week turn around time

Also, the DRP on this saw is $950.00. My local dealer was able to work with me and I purchased the saw for a fair price under DRP. Now that this saw is active, and there are no additional shipping charges involved - it's a little easier to figure out a fair price for all.

So that's it - I have the first one on order in the NorthEast - very exciting. I have this cluster of 6" maple trees in the back yard that I really need to cut down. I hope this saw is big enough to do the job

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-Greg

Wy do yo need such a massive saw to cut such weedy little trees when a ms211 or if you want to go "pro" ms260 would do the job! What a waste of money!

 

[the westspartan]

Wy do yo need such a massive saw to cut such weedy little trees when a ms211 or if you want to go "pro" ms260 would do the job! What a waste of money!

I think he was joking

 

[WoodChuck'r]

Wy do yo need such a massive saw to cut such weedy little trees when a ms211 or if you want to go "pro" ms260 would do the job! What a waste of money!

Wha chu' talkin' bout?!

I HIGHLY recommend an overpowered saw for each and every use!

 

[mdavlee]

Over here we like big saws with plenty of power so we don't have to wait to finish cutting the wood so we have more time to drink beer and talk about how much power our saws have.:msp_tongue:

:yoyo:
opcorn:

 

[WoodChuck'r]

I think he was joking

Wassup white bread...?!


Hey do you have any scrap flat stock there at the shop...?? And do ya have time this week to use your wittz to try and fix a broken seat bracket for my dad's Kubota tractor??

Lemme know, I'd like to avoid having to spend $140 on a generic replacement bracket. Kubota wants over $200 for one!!

 

[the westspartan]

Wassup white bread...?!


Hey do you have any scrap flat stock there at the shop...?? And do ya have time this week to use your wittz to try and fix a broken seat bracket for his Kubota tractor??

Lemme know, I'd like to avoid having to spend $140 on a generic replacement bracket. Kubota wants over $200 for one!!

Get me the broken one and I could probably fab something up for you that would match, or just weld the old one.

I am seriously thinking about getting one of these new fangled computer saws from my man Cale!

 

[inthewoodsagain]

I love the 576, period. I'm also uncertain which system is better but I can tell you I prefer the "real-time interaction" of the 441. I do understand how others may not. The best argument against it would be "who's gonna lead? you or I?." I see it a little differently though. To me, it seems like whatever I try to do, the 441 tells me instantly "ok, no problem, I can do that." I am however not a huge fan of the stiffer springs (the Husky's smoother) or the full wrap. All of this is just MHO.

Totaly agree. It rings all the bells for me and thats why we now have 8. We no longer have any 460's just 441cm. I had to order the oiler kits and clutch housing and large double bump spikes as they are not the norm in the Uk. They run Stihl 20" to 30" ES bars, RCS chain and are fuelled on Stihl Ultra oil and Super unleaded fuel. We do mod the exhaust but it is the original one and we also bought a high- spec tacho. I still find it amazing how it "learns" as I put some crap petrol in one of them today and it came true - just a bit less power but still ran sweet. You get what you pay for and I have never complained about my profit margins just fed up with clearing up after the "wanabies!" Jon

 

[blsnelling]

The muffler has been delivered