Newbie to running older saws, question on mix ratio

[Tomos770]

So put your words of wisdom up front name 3 quality FD oils priced @ under $12 a quart .

Motul 710 2T.....Stihl Advance Ultra 2T....Elf Moto 2T tech....

 

[camel2019]

The oil I’m using right now is motomaster brand from Canadian tire idk who makes it but it’s purple seems to be doing the job. Might try castrol super 2 stroke or maybe even Lucas semi synthetic idk yet as I like to buy in gallons/4 liter jugs.

 

[bwalker]

So , now my buddy who cuts professionally & owns more saws within his company than the two local dealers in town can't recognize quality oil or mix fuel or tune & rebuild saws adequately . My other buddy who builds , races & owns more cycles & sleds then you & me & our brothers , is the same ? Get your head out of your behind brother , your delusional . As for Ultra , I know it's lack of quality 1st hand , because I have tore down at least 6 stihl running it , took 2 hrs cleaning up the mess & damage . Only the Stihl 4Mix units tolerate it with the prescribed 50 hr valve cleaning tear down scheduling from the dealer . So put your words of wisdom up front name 3 quality FD oils priced @ under $12 a quart .

Citogo,mystic,redmax, Echo powerblend

Wrong again Ben , within the automobile sector , 1st generation Full & blended synthetic oils did cause seal & gasket breakdown and failure in combination with inferior sealing materials of the time . I have numerous professionals in the trade that have a life time of experience within these cause & effect failures , so lets just say I think I will relief on their advice over your questionable input brother lol.

Read what I wrote... first generation synthetics where not group 3's. They came out much latter as in early to mid 1990's. Synthetic motor oils came out in the 70's.Grpup 3's also were not called sythetics until Castrol started making syntec in the late 90's.. And group threes have never had seal compatability issues. PAO's do indeed have seal compatibility issues, which is why they where blended with esters to manage seal issues.

 

[sean donato]

Citogo,mystic,redmax, Echo powerblend

Read what I wrote... first generation synthetics where not group 3's. They came out much latter. And group threes have never had seal compatability issues.

Just got a gallon of redmax for $42.00

 

[bwalker]

Any oil not used within a reasonably tuned saw within a proper mix ratio will leave deposits , I think we all realize that , quit splitting hairs .

Mix ratio has very little to do with it. Tuning does.
I have been inside 125cc Honda motors ran at 16:1 and they are very clean.

 

[bwalker]

Just got a gallon of redmax for $42.00

Yep, good stuff.

 

[Tomos770]

Anyhow , I apologize to the forum members , as it is very evident Ben & I have a history of not agreeing. Actually , Ben has a history of only agreeing with his own rational , & has on numerous occasions attacked anyone who does agrees with him . Check any oil thread it quite clear , gets rather personal . So again sorry for my transgressions , I'am out of here , enough said !

What I see is......that both of you are very knowledgable..........both slightly on a different field. Nothing wrong with that! Its benifical for us (other AS users) till the point....when.....ekhm.....

Why it seems like that you are always buthurt a little? Like.......that you are always mad a little bit when some other knowledgable guy comes around?

Did you privatize all the knowledge?

 

[North by Northwest]

The oil I’m using right now is motomaster brand from Canadian tire idk who makes it but it’s purple seems to be doing the job. Might try castrol super 2 stroke or maybe even Lucas semi synthetic idk yet as I like to buy in gallons/4 liter jugs.

Stay away from the Lucas brother , especially the blended semi synthetic , the Shell 2T or Castrol 2T are quality oils !

 

[North by Northwest]

Motul 710 2T.....Stihl Advance Ultra 2T....Elf Moto 2T tech....

Tomo's 710 is $29 a quart Shell Advanced T is $18 & Elf Moto 2 is not available to me brother from (India) but thanks for the info . P.S. also the Redmax & Echo are all almost $32 a quart . Citgo is again more than $12 for me online brother .

 

[sean donato]

Tomo's 710 is $29 a quart Shell Advanced T is $18 & Elf Moto 2 is not available to me brother from (India) but thanks for the info . P.S. also the Redmax & Echo are all almost for $32 a quart . Citgo is again more than $12 for me online brother .

They must really crank the price up in Canada.

 

[bwalker]

Tomo's 710 is $29 a quart Shell Advanced T is $18 & Elf Moto 2 is not available to me brother from (India) but thanks for the info . P.S. also the Redmax & Echo are all almost for $32 a quart . Citgo is again more than $12 for me online brother .

Well you live in Canada. Everything is super expensive up there. The oils I listed are all available for under 12...

 

[Tomos770]

Tomo's 710 is $29 a quart Shell Advanced T is $18 & Elf Moto 2 is not available to me brother from (India) but thanks for the info . .

Elf....8.89eur/L
Shell Ultra.....12.29eur/L
Motul 710.....14.xyeur/L

Motul 800.....18-21eur/L

These are Center by Centereast prices....(for now)

 

[Vintage Engine Repairs]

I would like to see these as well.

Bit late but I stumbled across this post again of Rogue60’s and grabbed the picture. He estimates a conservative 1000 hours on the saw, but could be as many as 2000.

 

[Vintage Engine Repairs]

Bit late but I stumbled across this post again and your reply. He estimates a conservative 1000 hours on the saw, but could be as many as 2000.

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Another post of Rogue60’s for ya Bwalker, this piston (run on 25:1 mineral) which looks like it has less carbon (but maybe it’s just a perspective thing?) another high hour one of his, - Stihl 088. Trains has recently torn down a stihl 660 and put a new piston in with very similar results with the same oil. His has a light coat of carbon, clean exhaust port and spark screen. He’s running at 32:1 and tunes on the rich side, I’ll ask him for permission to use the pictures as he private messaged them to me.

 

[Vintage Engine Repairs]

Mix ratio has very little to do with it. Tuning does.
I have been inside 125cc Honda motors ran at 16:1 and they are very clean.

Very true, a friend who runs RC petrol boats runs Amsoil Saber at 16:1 but with a good tune. There is hardly a spec of carbon after circa 20 hours. Also worth mentioning they run around 15k-18k rpm’s loaded though lol.

It’s a screen shot of a video of his but it’s pretty clear.

 

[bwalker]

Very true, a friend who runs RC petrol boats runs Amsoil Saber at 16:1 but with a good tune. There is hardly a spec of carbon after circa 20 hours. Also worth mentioning they run around 15k-18k rpm’s loaded though lol.

It’s a screen shot of a video of his but it’s pretty clear.

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The tune is far from good if there is no carbon. It's way rich.

 

[bwalker]

Another post of Rogue60’s for ya Bwalker, this piston (run on 25:1 mineral) which looks like it has less carbon (but maybe it’s just a perspective thing?) another high hour one of his, - Stihl 088. Trains has recently torn down a stihl 660 and put a new piston in with very similar results with the same oil. His has a light coat of carbon, clean exhaust port and spark screen. He’s running at 32:1 and tunes on the rich side, I’ll ask him for permission to use the pictures as he private messaged them to me.

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Your preaching to the choir. I have been a proponent of using more oil for years. Especially if the wood your in is big and hard or your milling.
One other thing. The biggest problem area for carbon is the ring grooves and lands. The crown doesn't matter a whole lot other than you don't want alot of mettalic ash buildup. Obviously exhaust port buildup can be problematic too, but it's seldom an issue these days.

 

[Sidecarflip]

I run 50-1 syn fuel in my 40+ year old 028 as well as my 40+ year old 075 and 090 with no issues.

 

[Vintage Engine Repairs]

The tune is far from good if there is no carbon. It's way rich.

They don’t sound rich?

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[Vintage Engine Repairs]

Your preaching to the choir. I have been a proponent of using more oil for years. Especially if the wood your in is big and hard or your milling.
One other thing. The biggest problem area for carbon is the ring grooves and lands. The crown doesn't matter a whole lot other than you don't want alot of mettalic ash buildup. Obviously exhaust port buildup can be problematic too, but it's seldom an issue these days.

All good, I don’t run that much oil, but when we spoke last you said you’d like to see the piston crown and I found the picture of it so I sent it to you here.