Nik's Poulan Thread

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got her running

As long as the piston doesn't hit the top of the jug, I don't know why it would be a problem. But I know more about V12s than I do saws.

Nick

i finally got that 2300 running that i got from you nick!she still needs some tweeking but she runs used a really old points micro doner short block so i think its a lil lower in ccs but it does not seem to know that LOL. the only problem it has is some one plugged up the lil cotter pin thing by the oil outlet and once it oiles man does it oil LMAO! not sure how to fix that its like the took a punch and indented it to seal it .. what a retard....

 

[Modifiedmark]

As Mark said, not a Poulan. I'd bet that saw is 6-8 years old, and many parts are no longer available, anyway from anywhere it seems. The oiler is a weak point, and different than the MacWannabes. Seen/know of three now with little use and are parts saws because of that.



A041=small Poulans, Efcos, Huskys. Have an oiler hole.
K041=mid size Poulans. No oiler hole. Same slot width, very similar tail profile to a K095, or small mount Husky, which when modded to oil from the adjustment hole, work very well for this application.
T041=something I've never seen

True A041 mounts do not use a oiler hole. Same mount that is used on the S25's, wildthings, small Echos, Huskys etc, with a little smaller tail profile then the K041 mount.

A T041 is a A041 with the Intenz tighting system in the bar.





XPLRN, your getting confused even farther as the bars you show are not Oregon bars.

The one on your 4000 is a Windsor made bar and they never made a exact Orgon D176 style bar mount. That bar mount from Windsor is actually a Oregon Pioneer/D007 style mount which is very close to a Homelite/D096 mount. If you look at that bar on your 4000 you will find it has a 3/8s slot instead of the 5/16" slot to fit the 5/16" studs on your saw. That bar is supposed to use a S clip spacer when mounted on a saw with 5/16" studs.

Trust me, you want to use a K041 size tail on that saw, a D176 tail is alot larger and brings the chain too close to the top of the cover on that saw.

The proper bar for that is easy to find on ebay or any Oregon dealer. A quick look on ebay showed me all these.

NEW Poulan 20" chainsaw bar 3/8 Pro 3450 3500 3600 3750 & MANY OTHERS chain saw | eBay

NEW POULAN ECHO 20" BAR & CHAIN COMBO 3/8 050 70 DRIVER | eBay

POULAN CRAFTSMAN ECHO SEARS 20" BAR 3/8 050 70 LINK | eBay

NOS POULAN PRO BAR 530 044556 1650 9211 VC 3/8 | eBay

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NEW POULAN ECHO 20" BAR & CHAIN COMBO 3/8 050 70 DRIVER | eBay

POULAN - 20" Chainsaw Bar Fit 3350,3450,3650 FREE CHAIN | eBay



I'm sure your starting to get the picture by now.

One thing to notice is that all the above listed K041 mount bars are lamintate bars. There are no replaceable tip bars made in that mount in 3/8's pitch.

If you want to run a better replaceable tip bar you will want to run a small husky mount bar in the Oregon K095 style. You wil have to modify the small Husky bar to oil through the adjuster holes like your original does, but thats a easy modification with a round flie or a die grinder. Just file the adjuster hole straight up till it breaks into the bottom of the bar groove.

Be aware though that the Husky mount bar uses a different chain drive link count. For example the K041 mount in 20" uses a 70DL chain, (like your 4000) while the small Husky K095 mount in 20" would use a 72DL chain.

At the sake of confusing you even more, on the Oregon bars, there are variations of DL counts on the same mount.

For example, the K095 mount using 72dl of chain in 20". Oregon used a Z designation on there bar mounts that use a non standard DL count. They made a Z095 mount that used a 70DL chain count. I have one of those modified to oil through the adjuster holes on my Poulan Pro 330 right now.

I know of a member close to me that had quite a few of those bars and he still may have some to get rid of. There the Power Match style bars.

 

[nick 55]

Hello Nick! You got my attention on that statement. Are you by chance one of the Allison tractor puller guys in Illinois or ????

Years ago a great friend of mine found a brand new Allison V12 that has been washed down stream, by a flood, from a local well frac-ing business. It was physically damaged by the elements/time but was a brand new engine. He was into the truck and tractor pulling sport and ended up selling it for parts to one of the big name Allison powered tractor pullers in either Indiana or Illinois. I can't remember which state any more as it's been over a couple of decades by now and my friend passed away end of last year. However reading your statement about V12s just flashed me right back to that massive Allison engine sitting on a stand with safety wired on covers over the exhaust ports. I bet I've still got some Kodachrome slides of that beast somewhere............just maybe!!????

Sorry, all I know about those Allison engines is that some used to run some wicked old warbirds. Gear driven overhead cams and supercharger, true screamers that really gave the German airmen something to fear.

I work on European sportscars and just have a knack for 12 cylinders.

Nick

 

[Eccentric]

I shouldn't be lurking in this thread. Now I'm confused.:hmm3grin2orange:

.......But you're easily confused Chris.:hmm3grin2orange:

Yes, I noticed the error after I posted that.:msp_ohmy: Thats what happens when your mind slips when ya get old.:msp_mad: D176 it is...but I figured he would know what I was talkin about. I'll go back to my room at the home and slap the nurse for missing the typo.


Gregg,

Sorry Gregg. Didn't mean to nitpick you. I only mentioned it because you typed D0176 more than once.

True A041 mounts do not use a oiler hole. Same mount that is used on the S25's, wildthings, small Echos, Huskys etc, with a little smaller tail profile then the K041 mount.

A T041 is a A041 with the Intenz tighting system in the bar.


XPLRN, your getting confused even farther as the bars you show are not Oregon bars.

The one on your 4000 is a Windsor made bar and they never made a exact Orgon D176 style bar mount. That bar mount from Windsor is actually a Oregon Pioneer/D007 style mount which is very close to a Homelite/D096 mount. If you look at that bar on your 4000 you will find it has a 3/8s slot instead of the 5/16" slot to fit the 5/16" studs on your saw. That bar is supposed to use a S clip spacer when mounted on a saw with 5/16" studs....

Mark what charactaristics of the bar he photographed indicate to you that it's a D007 rather than D096 mount (not trying to argue.......just wanna learn)? I was going to tell him the same thing you did (as I was reading through the posts made since my last entry) but was going to say it looked like a D096 to me. In the pic it almost looks like the adjuster holes have passages to the bar rail (but that could be just some dark gunk in the outer edges of the adjuster holes).

In the Oregon catalog, the D007 and D096 look almost identical. Maybe a slight dif in the tail profiles. The adjuster holes look a bit more squared in the D096. In the Oregon tail illustrations, they show the oiler holes not being drilled all the way through, with the D007 oiling below the slot and the D096 above the slot. On almost all the D096/D196 bars I've seen, the oiler holes are drilled all the way though (and would therefore work with either oiler output location). The Windsor bar that XPLRN pictured looks to have the oiler holes drilled all the way through too. As long as the oiler holes match the output ports/wells on the saws, can D007 and D096 bars be interchanged?

If you want to run a better replaceable tip bar you will want to run a small husky mount bar in the Oregon K095 style. You wil have to modify the small Husky bar to oil through the adjuster holes like your original does, but thats a easy modification with a round flie or a die grinder. Just file the adjuster hole straight up till it breaks into the bottom of the bar groove.

Be aware though that the Husky mount bar uses a different chain drive link count. For example the K041 mount in 20" uses a 70DL chain, (like your 4000) while the small Husky K095 mount in 20" would use a 72DL chain.

At the sake of confusing you even more, on the Oregon bars, there are variations of DL counts on the same mount.

For example, the K095 mount using 72dl of chain in 20". Oregon used a Z designation on there bar mounts that use a non standard DL count. They made a Z095 mount that used a 70DL chain count. I have one of those modified to oil through the adjuster holes on my Poulan Pro 330 right now.

I know of a member close to me that had quite a few of those bars and he still may have some to get rid of. There the Power Match style bars.

If he still has some Z095 bars to get rid of, would you mind letting him know that I'd be interested in them? I'd be interested in a 16" for one of my Homelite Super E-Z's, and an 18 or 20" bar for a Homelite XL104 that'll be coming my way soon. Was the 16" Poulan Pro branded .325" sprocket tip bar that you sent me a while ago (to use on one of my Super E-Z's) a K095 or Z095? I didn't see a mount code stamped on it. The 66DL loop of .325" chain you sent with it fits fine on my S E-Z. That leads me to believe that it's a Z095 rather than a K095............since Homelites usually take a couple less DL than 'regular' K095 mount saws such as the midsize Huskys. While I'm picking your brain............I noticed in an Oregon catalog that there's both A095 and K095 bars that seem to only differ in tail profile. Oiling and slot width seem the same. Have you interchanged those on saws?

 

[XPLRN]

The one on your 4000 is a Windsor made bar and they never made a exact Orgon D176 style bar mount. That bar mount from Windsor is actually a Oregon Pioneer/D007 style mount which is very close to a Homelite/D096 mount. If you look at that bar on your 4000 you will find it has a 3/8s slot instead of the 5/16" slot to fit the 5/16" studs on your saw. That bar is supposed to use a S clip spacer when mounted on a saw with 5/16" studs.

Trust me, you want to use a K041 size tail on that saw, a D176 tail is alot larger and brings the chain too close to the top of the cover on that saw.



If you want to run a better replaceable tip bar you will want to run a small husky mount bar in the Oregon K095 style. You wil have to modify the small Husky bar to oil through the adjuster holes like your original does, but thats a easy modification with a round flie or a die grinder. Just file the adjuster hole straight up till it breaks into the bottom of the bar groove.


I know of a member close to me that had quite a few of those bars and he still may have some to get rid of. There the Power Match style bars.

S-clip, check;

I would most certainly like to know about the AS member that has a few of those bars that he might want to get rid of!! I'm sure with continued communications I'll start to understand the world of different bar manufacturers and different mounts according to which bar manufacturer made what for which saw series!! :bang:

 

[DSS]

Aaron, this is a 007 mount with two grooves for the oiler. This was so it would mount on saws with two different size bar studs. Some of them only have the short groove. May or may not be a problem on a poulan.

009 and 176 mount bars are easy to adapt to a Pioneer, but the reverse may not be true. I have a 28'' homelite mount on my P-62 but I forget what number it is.

 

[Modifiedmark]

.......But you're easily confused Chris.:hmm3grin2orange:



Sorry Gregg. Didn't mean to nitpick you. I only mentioned it because you typed D0176 more than once.




Mark what charactaristics of the bar he photographed indicate to you that it's a D007 rather than D096 mount (not trying to argue.......just wanna learn)? I was going to tell him the same thing you did (as I was reading through the posts made since my last entry) but was going to say it looked like a D096 to me. In the pic it almost looks like the adjuster holes have passages to the bar rail (but that could be just some dark gunk in the outer edges of the adjuster holes).

In the Oregon catalog, the D007 and D096 look almost identical. Maybe a slight dif in the tail profiles. The adjuster holes look a bit more squared in the D096. In the Oregon tail illustrations, they show the oiler holes not being drilled all the way through, with the D007 oiling below the slot and the D096 above the slot. On almost all the D096/D196 bars I've seen, the oiler holes are drilled all the way though (and would therefore work with either oiler output location). The Windsor bar that XPLRN pictured looks to have the oiler holes drilled all the way through too. As long as the oiler holes match the output ports/wells on the saws, can D007 and D096 bars be interchanged?




If he still has some Z095 bars to get rid of, would you mind letting him know that I'd be interested in them? I'd be interested in a 16" for one of my Homelite Super E-Z's, and an 18 or 20" bar for a Homelite XL104 that'll be coming my way soon. Was the 16" Poulan Pro branded .325" sprocket tip bar that you sent me a while ago (to use on one of my Super E-Z's) a K095 or Z095? I didn't see a mount code stamped on it. The 66DL loop of .325" chain you sent with it fits fine on my S E-Z. That leads me to believe that it's a Z095 rather than a K095............since Homelites usually take a couple less DL than 'regular' K095 mount saws such as the midsize Huskys. While I'm picking your brain............I noticed in an Oregon catalog that there's both A095 and K095 bars that seem to only differ in tail profile. Oiling and slot width seem the same. Have you interchanged those on saws?

Aaron, I used the D007 reference instead of D096 because as like you say the the 096 mount has more squared off adjuster holes and most have the oiler option through them while the D007 dose not. Thing is its a Windsor bar so it is actually its own UXL mount but I think its closest to the D007.

Yes D007 and D096 bar will interchange but the main difference between the 007 Pioneer style mount and the 096 mount is drive link count on some of them. For instance a 096 24" bar will use 81dl and a D007 24" will use 84DL

The bar I sent you was a K095 mount. 66 dl is standard for a 16" K095 so it would not be a Z095.

The old A095 bars were great, as the adjuster holes were so that they could oil through them just like a 041 bar but still had the 095 oiler holes as well. Dont know why they dont make those any more. They would work great on a 262xp as well as a Poulan Pro 330 etc.

As for the Z095, contact Brushwacker/John but he only had 20" bars in that mount and I'm not sure if he has any left, but it dont hurt to ask as hes a good guy.

Aaron, this is a 007 mount with two grooves for the oiler. This was so it would mount on saws with two different size bar studs. Some of them only have the short groove. May or may not be a problem on a poulan.

009 and 176 mount bars are easy to adapt to a Pioneer, but the reverse may not be true. I have a 28'' homelite mount on my P-62 but I forget what number it is.

Chris, that bar pictured is a Pioneer manufactured bar is it not? I dont think Oregon or Windsor made one with that groove and double oiler hole setup???

 

[DSS]

That is a NOS Pioneer bar Mark ,yes. I have an oregon 007 and it only has the short groove. I can't say about a windsor, I don't think I've ever seen one.

 

[DSS]

I do have a new Tsumura bar that has the double oiler holes as well.

 

[XPLRN]

Sorry, all I know about those Allison engines is that some used to run some wicked old warbirds. Gear driven overhead cams and supercharger, true screamers that really gave the German airmen something to fear.

I work on European sportscars and just have a knack for 12 cylinders.

Nick

Cool......just had to ask due to the Allison past history.......so are you into the Jags or BMWs or ??

 

[nick 55]

Man, I'm gonna catch hell for this........Mercedes, Porsche, Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini, and Aston Martin.

No pics, I promise!


Nick

 

[Eccentric]

Thanks a bunch Mark and Chris for the bar mount info and pics.

 

[Eccentric]

Man, I'm gonna catch hell for this........Mercedes, Porsche, Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini, and Aston Martin.

No pics, I promise!


Nick

Nick post up some Lincoln Zephyr V12 and GMC truck V12 pics and you'll be forgiven.

 

[RandyMac]

 

[nick 55]

Nick post up some Lincoln Zepher V12 and GMC truck V12 pics and you'll be forgiven.

I actually know someone who has a Lincoln Zephyr, and I would love to own one. His had 14000 miles on it when I saw it. It was in the personal collection of the Holman-George family in the basement of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway museum.

That must be one of those old hydroplanes!

Nick

 

[nick 55]

Here's one all 'rodded out. Definitely not stock, and not a good wood hauler, but I still like it. Except the wheels, those are hideous.

Nick

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[brokenbudget]

Wish I could help on the filter but I would be just guessing. I would want to say Partner or maybe Jonsereds......

:msp_smile:thanks mark! i couldn't figure it i guess 'cause it aint poulan

 

[brokenbudget]

It's a partner number. 315-475 would be a P-55/R-16 which is what it looks like to me.

great! don't see alot of them around here
i figure i'll post them up in the classified section.
thanks for the info!

 

[XPLRN]

What a view!! I am not a boat guy but sure do wonder what that must feel like to open the throttle on a rig like that!!???

Thanks a bunch Mark and Chris for the bar mount info and pics.

X2!!!
Off to the dentist :frown: but will have more bar pictures/questions later.

 

[zogger]

Guy I know...

Man, I'm gonna catch hell for this........Mercedes, Porsche, Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini, and Aston Martin.

No pics, I promise!


Nick

--there's a guy I know, who at one time must have driven by a poulan dealer, who owned an early 70s ferrari boxer (along with a buncha other hotrods). The guy was a millionaite by age 21, he invented some of the stuff used on gm ignitions, they bought him out. Anyway, he bought some cars. He's a friend of a friend deal. So one day he comes over in this boxer, I don't recall exactly but early 70s model. Shazzam, that was by far the slickest looking factory stock car engine I have ever seen, a 12 banger. Six big two barreled carbs, all stainless steel linkage, cams all all over the place, etc. Just really neat engineering. I know the USA big block pushrod engines of that era had more horse, but really, they just didn't look quite as cool to me.