Nik's Poulan Thread

[StinkyBunny]

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The woodshed is a tad over 1/2 full

Max says it's yummy house warmingz.


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This is what them green saws can do for you.

 

[Chris J.]

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This is what them green saws can do for you.

You saying them "green bricks" will actually cut wood?

 

[Modifiedmark]

This could be a good buy for the right person. Any idea as to which Poulan it is?

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Chris, that is not a Poulan at all. That is a Jen Feng Tawian saw. The ones who had the McCulloch name in north america.

 

[zogger]

This could be a good buy for the right person. Any idea as to which Poulan it is?

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I don't get it on the shipping deal with him. It is basically NIB, meaning he has the exact freaking box it will fit in, suitable for shipping, ie, not a "huge hassle".

Besides that, ya, looks decent. I have no idea what real model saw that is though.

 

[chris413]

uh duh?

update:

i think im getting close on tuning the s25da. i have the Idle screw at 11 3/4 turns out. the screw on top (H) ? at 2 turns out.. and the screw on the bottom (L) ? at 1 3/4.

chain still is moving a bit while at idle. will try tomorrow really tweaking it a hair at a time. the idle screw is a tricky one i guess

 

[Eccentric]

XPLRN,
I am no expert with these small, to midsize Poulans that use the Oregon K041 type mount. The 380 is the only saw I have that uses it. I'm sure there are others, both Crafstman & Poulan. I can't recall that there was a direct Craftsman version of the 3750/380 saw though.

And you are correct. The D0176 type bar from a 4000, will not fit. Completely different animal. Although they both use the same chain on a 20" bar. LOL The D0176 bars have oil holes farther up towards the rails. The K041 oils through the upper adjuster hole. If you were to flip the bar over, it would oil through the other hole.

The problem with finding bars for these is that they are 3/8" (.375) pitch. Most saws that use this the K041 style mount, use .325 pitch. Thats why Stihl-Pioneer was referring to the fact that Bailey's could swap the .325 sprocket tip for a .375 tip. Just the same, you could find a .325 clutch sprocket. Depends on whether you prefer .325 or .375 chain

Me, I don't own a saw with .325 chain, all mine are 3/8". Thats why I prefer it.

Now all that was probably just clear as MUD wasn't it? LOL


Gregg,

A file would be all that was needed to "convert" a D176 mount (3400, 3700, 4000) to work on the 3450, 3750, etc. Many of those bars used to be able to oil from both holes. The difference in slot width is .007", or .2 mm for the metrically challenged. A round file will fix a closed hole on a 176 (or a K095). Some may feel that the oil will escape the bar holes and make a mess; I've always found the newer style saws without bar plates, or for that matter any saw oiling through the adjusting holes to be an oil slick/stain/puddle waiting to happen. But it oils the chain fine.
Now, K041's are not made from unobtainium-they are all over the bay, and still can be ordered from a Oregon dealer. One of this size Poulan in .325 can/does cut well. I still prefer 3/8's either LP (picco) or full size, but have softened the ".325 is a marketing gimmick" stance I once held. It has a place, but I forsee many other shops charging by the link for purchase and sharpening.

D176 (no Zero........not D0176) bars also have oil passages from the adjuster holes to the bar rail (so that these bars can be used on 10-series McCullochs) in additon to the seperate oil holes used by Echos and Poulans. Older Poulan mount bars (like the RN bar pictured below that came from a Dayton badged Poulan 245SA) have the seperate oil holes, but not the passages from the adjuster holes to the bar rail. That mount is no longer made, and the application is covered by the D176 Echo/McCulloch/Poulan mount (just like the obsolete D276 McCulloch 10-series mount is also now covered by the D176). Looking at the Oregon catalog recently, I noticed that there are A041, K041, and T041 bar mount patterns that differ only in the profile of the rear of the bar tail.

 

[stubnail67]

uhhh

update:

i think im getting close on tuning the s25da. i have the Idle screw at 11 3/4 turns out. the screw on top (H) ? at 2 turns out.. and the screw on the bottom (L) ? at 1 3/4.

chain still is moving a bit while at idle. will try tomorrow really tweaking it a hair at a time. the idle screw is a tricky one i guess

id say you need to take it apart and clean it and rebuild it.....good luck...

 

[stubnail67]

lol

id say you need to take it apart and clean it and rebuild it.....good luck...

the carb i mean... somthings amiss...

 

[zogger]

I have a red Craftsman 2.1A like that. The red CVA's don't come up too often. I've missed a couple on feebay recently. I do have a green S25-CVA though.

I also have a red one, but it says 2.0 and doesn't have the counter vibe stuff on it, it has an all rigid handle.

 

[DSS]

D176 (no Zero........not D0176) bars also have oil passages from the adjuster holes to the bar rail (so that these bars can be used on 10-series McCullochs) in additon to the seperate oil holes used by Echos and Poulans. Older Poulan mount bars (like the RN bar pictured below that came from a Dayton badged Poulan 245SA) have the seperate oil holes, but not the passages from the adjuster holes to the bar rail. That mount is no longer made, and the application is covered by the D176 Echo/McCulloch/Poulan mount (just like the obsolete D276 McCulloch 10-series mount is also now covered by the D176). Looking at the Oregon catalog recently, I noticed that there are A041, K041, and T041 bar mount patterns that differ only in the profile of the rear of the bar tail.

I shouldn't be lurking in this thread. Now I'm confused.:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[OhioGregg]

D176 (no Zero........not D0176) bars also have oil passages from the adjuster holes to the bar rail (so that these bars can be used on 10-series McCullochs) in additon to the seperate oil holes used by Echos and Poulans. Older Poulan mount bars (like the RN bar pictured below that came from a Dayton badged Poulan 245SA) have the seperate oil holes, but not the passages from the adjuster holes to the bar rail. That mount is no longer made, and the application is covered by the D176 Echo/McCulloch/Poulan mount (just like the obsolete D276 McCulloch 10-series mount is also now covered by the D176). Looking at the Oregon catalog recently, I noticed that there are A041, K041, and T041 bar mount patterns that differ only in the profile of the rear of the bar tail.

Yes, I noticed the error after I posted that.:msp_ohmy: Thats what happens when your mind slips when ya get old.:msp_mad: D176 it is...but I figured he would know what I was talkin about. I'll go back to my room at the home and slap the nurse for missing the typo.


Gregg,

 

[8433jeff]

This could be a good buy for the right person. Any idea as to which Poulan it is?

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As Mark said, not a Poulan. I'd bet that saw is 6-8 years old, and many parts are no longer available, anyway from anywhere it seems. The oiler is a weak point, and different than the MacWannabes. Seen/know of three now with little use and are parts saws because of that.

D176 (no Zero........not D0176) bars also have oil passages from the adjuster holes to the bar rail (so that these bars can be used on 10-series McCullochs) in additon to the seperate oil holes used by Echos and Poulans. Older Poulan mount bars (like the RN bar pictured below that came from a Dayton badged Poulan 245SA) have the seperate oil holes, but not the passages from the adjuster holes to the bar rail. That mount is no longer made, and the application is covered by the D176 Echo/McCulloch/Poulan mount (just like the obsolete D276 McCulloch 10-series mount is also now covered by the D176). Looking at the Oregon catalog recently, I noticed that there are A041, K041, and T041 bar mount patterns that differ only in the profile of the rear of the bar tail.

A041=small Poulans, Efcos, Huskys. Have an oiler hole.
K041=mid size Poulans. No oiler hole. Same slot width, very similar tail profile to a K095, or small mount Husky, which when modded to oil from the adjustment hole, work very well for this application.
T041=something I've never seen

 

[stubnail67]

any one ever?

anyone ever take the base gasket out of a poulan 2000 when they put a new ring in it? i have a craftsman version is very nice but low compression was thinking of finding a ring for it and when i did it just leave out the base gasket and use moto seal to up the compression even more... what ya all think?

 

[nick 55]

As long as the piston doesn't hit the top of the jug, I don't know why it would be a problem. But I know more about V12s than I do saws.

Nick

 

[XPLRN]

What persuasion of V-12s ???

As long as the piston doesn't hit the top of the jug, I don't know why it would be a problem. But I know more about V12s than I do saws.

Nick

Hello Nick! You got my attention on that statement. Are you by chance one of the Allison tractor puller guys in Illinois or ????

Years ago a great friend of mine found a brand new Allison V12 that has been washed down stream, by a flood, from a local well frac-ing business. It was physically damaged by the elements/time but was a brand new engine. He was into the truck and tractor pulling sport and ended up selling it for parts to one of the big name Allison powered tractor pullers in either Indiana or Illinois. I can't remember which state any more as it's been over a couple of decades by now and my friend passed away end of last year. However reading your statement about V12s just flashed me right back to that massive Allison engine sitting on a stand with safety wired on covers over the exhaust ports. I bet I've still got some Kodachrome slides of that beast somewhere............just maybe!!????

 

[XPLRN]

Poulan bar mount edjuhmacashun questions.........

D176 (no Zero........not D0176) bars also have oil passages from the adjuster holes to the bar rail (so that these bars can be used on 10-series McCullochs) in additon to the seperate oil holes used by Echos and Poulans. Older Poulan mount bars (like the RN bar pictured below that came from a Dayton badged Poulan 245SA) have the seperate oil holes, but not the passages from the adjuster holes to the bar rail. That mount is no longer made, and the application is covered by the D176 Echo/McCulloch/Poulan mount (just like the obsolete D276 McCulloch 10-series mount is also now covered by the D176). Looking at the Oregon catalog recently, I noticed that there are A041, K041, and T041 bar mount patterns that differ only in the profile of the rear of the bar tail.

Appreciate the bar mount intel update! How critical is the chain DL/drive link count when doing these bar adaptations!?? Do most bars have a calculated DL call-out stamped on the bar or ?? Somehow the distance between the outer diameter of the rim sprocket on the saw to the outer diameter of the nose bar sprocket has to factor into the height(top rail to bottom rail) of the bar!?? This is what's marked on my original Poulan 4000 bar.........how does one decipher this to know what gauge and drive link count replacement chain to buy!?? The bar is in excellent shape minus some surface rust;

Here is a comparison between the 4000 and 3750 blade mounting setup........I know the 3750 seller just slammed on a small refugee blade and chain that is not correct for the 3750. However the bar mount differences are illustrated below. So could I in fact, with some slight modifying, mount up the 4000 bar on the 3750!?? How would a fellar go about determining what drive link count chain(presumeably 3/8 pitch) to use?? I can't locate, at the moment the original Poulan badged chain to get a DL count from it.

 

[redunshee]

the carb i mean... somthings amiss...

Totally agree. Lo and Hi screws are open much more than they should be. I have 5 and bet none are more than 1-1.25 open. You'll also find that its hit and miss due to having to remove the carb cover to adjust. I find the idle is the touchiest.
Bob

 

[redunshee]

Appreciate the bar mount intel update! How critical is the chain DL/drive link count when doing these bar adaptations!?? Do most bars have a calculated DL call-out stamped on the bar or ?? Somehow the distance between the outer diameter of the rim sprocket on the saw to the outer diameter of the nose bar sprocket has to factor into the height(top rail to bottom rail) of the bar!?? This is what's marked on my original Poulan 4000 bar.........how does one decipher this to know what gauge and drive link count replacement chain to buy!?? The bar is in excellent shape minus some surface rust;

Here is a comparison between the 4000 and 3750 blade mounting setup........I know the 3750 seller just slammed on a small refugee blade and chain that is not correct for the 3750. However the bar mount differences are illustrated below. So could I in fact, with some slight modifying, mount up the 4000 bar on the 3750!?? How would a fellar go about determining what drive link count chain(presumeably 3/8 pitch) to use?? I can't locate, at the moment the original Poulan badged chain to get a DL count from it.

Most bars have the drive link count on the bar. Oregon D176 bars use 56, 60 and 70 drive links for the 16, 18 and 20 inch bars. On old bars if you don't know the drive link count or have an old chain, you may have to start with the numbers above or take the saw to your nearby dealer and try out some chains to see what fits.

 

[redunshee]

anyone ever take the base gasket out of a poulan 2000 when they put a new ring in it? i have a craftsman version is very nice but low compression was thinking of finding a ring for it and when i did it just leave out the base gasket and use moto seal to up the compression even more... what ya all think?

Wouldn't think it would be a problem at all. I've done it on most of my S25DA saws w/o an issue. Shouldn't be that much of a diff. in saws.

 

[stubnail67]

cool

Wouldn't think it would be a problem at all. I've done it on most of my S25DA saws w/o an issue. Shouldn't be that much of a diff. in saws.

i did it on a s25da also after awhile back..i flipped its rings like ya all talked about...i was going to get a new one for this one as i see them on a certain online site...:msp_thumbup: i figured it would be ok just makin sure.... saws are starting to pile up so i have nothin to lose .....