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Scarce? Tim, have you ever been struck by lightning in a hockey rink?
I've been making calls for 6 months ..... and have a grand total of ......... zero.
... but my local solution seems to work pretty well.
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Scarce? Tim, have you ever been struck by lightning in a hockey rink?
I've been making calls for 6 months ..... and have a grand total of ......... zero.
... but my local solution seems to work pretty well.
Kostas, your 306 is looking good. You will get it sorted out I'm sure. Sugar Creek supply has the decals for it if you so desire.
Jerry yours looks good too.
Ok, I got the Speigel 223 today! In case your wondering, it is a Poulan 223 which is a early version (68-69) of the 74cc 245.
Not pretty by any means but complete and is supposed to be a runner which I'm sure it is but it needs some maintince.
Bad part is the 20" roller nosed bar is missing from the box but the box is complete with the hole that the bar went through. :msp_rolleyes: Not good.
Claim is filed with the shipper, best case is they find the bar. Time will tell.
I know about the picture rule but I just got in the house and will try to post some tomorrow.
Jerry yours looks good too.
Ok, I got the Speigel 223 today! In case your wondering, it is a Poulan 223 which is a early version (68-69) of the 74cc 245.
Not pretty by any means but complete and is supposed to be a runner which I'm sure it is but it needs some maintince.
Bad part is the 20" roller nosed bar is missing from the box but the box is complete with the hole that the bar went through. :msp_rolleyes: Not good.
Claim is filed with the shipper, best case is they find the bar. Time will tell.
I know about the picture rule but I just got in the house and will try to post some tomorrow.
No but I've been speared, elbowed, slashed, tripped and cross checked in one.
I saw your air filter repair thread and it looks great. I will definitely go that way if I can't find one.
People sometimes do not realize that a bar with no protection over the ends is just like a knife and will cut through a box like it is nothing. That's to bad. I have had that happen on a saw I bought once also.
XPLRN
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My 5200 - Update #2
As noted in 'Update # 1 ' I have some cleaning to do. This previous picture sorta shows the years of accumulated crud. My main goal here was to tap a 5/16 -24 thread in the left hole for the custom fitting that should be arriving soon. Unfortunately the saw didn't get much cleaning attention in it's previous life and now I'm getting all sidetracked with the cleaning process;
In looking over the design of the 'Counter-Vibe' set up I decided the easiest way to get some cleaning done would be to remove 6 fasteners and separate the gas tank/handle assembly. I know this is old hat for a lot of folks reading this but I'd never done it before and this saw most likely had never had it done before either!! Sure is a slick designed anti-vibe system!!
Anyways I'd be interested in hearing what kind of cleaning procedures have worked well for others. My first thought was a kitty litter box filled with water and 'Simple Green' along with some Palmolive and just letting it soak for an extended period of time!??? That crud is baked on pretty good and I don't want to damage what's left of the paint with using harsh stuff like brake cleaner or oven cleaner.
Soo are these little guys also 'Unobtainium/NLA' or ?? BTW that's not my white hair in the pictures below........I've got a white Siberian Husky that sheds out tons of hair.......twice a year!!!!
Yes, the fuel tank innards need to be cleaned also. What has worked well for you folks that have done this before??
As noted in 'Update # 1 ' I have some cleaning to do. This previous picture sorta shows the years of accumulated crud. My main goal here was to tap a 5/16 -24 thread in the left hole for the custom fitting that should be arriving soon. Unfortunately the saw didn't get much cleaning attention in it's previous life and now I'm getting all sidetracked with the cleaning process;
In looking over the design of the 'Counter-Vibe' set up I decided the easiest way to get some cleaning done would be to remove 6 fasteners and separate the gas tank/handle assembly. I know this is old hat for a lot of folks reading this but I'd never done it before and this saw most likely had never had it done before either!! Sure is a slick designed anti-vibe system!!
Anyways I'd be interested in hearing what kind of cleaning procedures have worked well for others. My first thought was a kitty litter box filled with water and 'Simple Green' along with some Palmolive and just letting it soak for an extended period of time!??? That crud is baked on pretty good and I don't want to damage what's left of the paint with using harsh stuff like brake cleaner or oven cleaner.
Soo are these little guys also 'Unobtainium/NLA' or ?? BTW that's not my white hair in the pictures below........I've got a white Siberian Husky that sheds out tons of hair.......twice a year!!!!
Yes, the fuel tank innards need to be cleaned also. What has worked well for you folks that have done this before??
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XPLRN
Dad ^^^^ wouldn't understand the CAD!!! :-)
Thanks for the info. That's probably the way I'll go unless someone I know has a collection of stuff going to the Jet Hot facility.
Yes, the fuel tank innards need to be cleaned also. What has worked well for you folks that have done this before??
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I use diesel with some 1/4" nuts and bolts. dump it in the tank, put the cap on and shake. Loosens everything up and cleans the tank nice.
I use diesel with some 1/4" nuts and bolts. dump it in the tank, put the cap on and shake. Loosens everything up and cleans the tank nice.
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Seems like a seal leak to me. Did you also do a vacuum test? Sometimes seals will pass the pressure test but not a vacuum test. Just a thought.
Bob
XPLRN
Dad ^^^^ wouldn't understand the CAD!!! :-)
Thanks for that info......I'll have to get some diesel and give it a good rinsing out!! :msp_thumbsup:
Thanks Mark.I will order the decals a little later.chainsawr.com has them also.I'll see where i'll take them.
I will try to replace the reed seal and the carb seal first(if i find the right material to make the seals) and if i still have the same results,i will try to do a vacuum test.
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Ok got just a couple pictures of the Spiegel 223, in all its uncleaned glory. Even when cleaned up it will never be a beauty queen but it might be one of the best Spiegel 223's out there. Who knows it might be the only one left out there as well?
This is what gets me going on these. Seems Poulan was still getting rolling when it designed the new 200 series saws which came out in 1968 and they only lasted till 1969 so they were probably not produced in large numbers to begin with and being only produced for 2 years you dont see them very often. They were a nice step forward from the 361-451 and sandcast style saws for sure. With just a few minor changes the 200 series became the 306 and 245 saws that sold for quite a long run validating the new for 68 design.
If there that low of productin numbers, how many do you think were relabled for Spiegel? I'm betting not very many. From what little documatation that I can find, Spiegel contracted for only 2 models, the 3.6CI 202 and the 4.5CI 223. Looks like I only need 1 more to complete the whole set.
Just a quick look at it is all I have got so far but its all there, nothing missing or broken. Well the bar is missing...
I have a period correct 21" Poulan branded hard nose bar to put on it for now.
This is what gets me going on these. Seems Poulan was still getting rolling when it designed the new 200 series saws which came out in 1968 and they only lasted till 1969 so they were probably not produced in large numbers to begin with and being only produced for 2 years you dont see them very often. They were a nice step forward from the 361-451 and sandcast style saws for sure. With just a few minor changes the 200 series became the 306 and 245 saws that sold for quite a long run validating the new for 68 design.
If there that low of productin numbers, how many do you think were relabled for Spiegel? I'm betting not very many. From what little documatation that I can find, Spiegel contracted for only 2 models, the 3.6CI 202 and the 4.5CI 223. Looks like I only need 1 more to complete the whole set.
Just a quick look at it is all I have got so far but its all there, nothing missing or broken. Well the bar is missing...
I have a period correct 21" Poulan branded hard nose bar to put on it for now.
Yes, make sure to check the carb to manifold gasket, that seems to be where I find the leaks on these. I have seen some reed adapter/manifolds seem to not be flat where they mount to the carb makeing a gasket leak.
I have taken a flat file to the surface to flatten them out and allow the gasket to seal.
discounthunter
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Yes, the fuel tank innards need to be cleaned also. What has worked well for you folks that have done this before??
I use diesel with some 1/4" nuts and bolts. dump it in the tank, put the cap on and shake. Loosens everything up and cleans the tank nice.[/QUOTE]
is there some sort of liner/sealer in these tanks or just years of build up? my 5400 looks to have a a spray in bed liner (brown in color),ive rinsed the tank several times with gas mix,comes out clean,brown stuff stays.filter is also clean.
Ok got just a couple pictures of the Spiegel 223, in all its uncleaned glory. Even when cleaned up it will never be a beauty queen but it might be one of the best Spiegel 223's out there. Who knows it might be the only one left out there as well?
This is what gets me going on these. Seems Poulan was still getting rolling when it designed the new 200 series saws which came out in 1968 and they only lasted till 1969 so they were probably not produced in large numbers to begin with and being only produced for 2 years you dont see them very often. They were a nice step forward from the 361-451 and sandcast style saws for sure. With just a few minor changes the 200 series became the 306 and 245 saws that sold for quite a long run validating the new for 68 design.
If there that low of productin numbers, how many do you think were relabled for Spiegel? I'm betting not very many. From what little documatation that I can find, Spiegel contracted for only 2 models, the 3.6CI 202 and the 4.5CI 223. Looks like I only need 1 more to complete the whole set.
Just a quick look at it is all I have got so far but its all there, nothing missing or broken. Well the bar is missing...
Mark I am not very familiar with this model saw from Poulan. What is the black knob sticking out of the clutch cover for? I bet your right in your analysis on it being rare.
Poulan 2150 manuals
I could use an IPL and a service manual on a 2150 if anyone has one...I've tried on the beg for manuals thread and no one answers.....
I could use an IPL and a service manual on a 2150 if anyone has one...I've tried on the beg for manuals thread and no one answers.....
If there that low of productin numbers, how many do you think were relabled for Spiegel? I'm betting not very many. From what little documatation that I can find, Spiegel contracted for only 2 models, the 3.6CI 202 and the 4.5CI 223. Looks like I only need 1 more to complete the whole set.
Glad you kept it in the Poulan family here, Mark. :msp_biggrin: Ineresting that it has the sheet metal style muffler as opposed to the cast one. I would have thought it would have had the cast on since it was an older vintage.
Well that knob is incorrect on this saw but it is for the Power Sharp system.
It was used to push the stone down onto the chain when sharpening it. The original knob screwed up and down on it to adjust how much pressure the stone put on the chain. I think I have a orginal style knob here some where for it.
The fuel cap on this may or not be original as well. I know I have seen some 200 series with a round cap and some with a hex shaped cap as well. Knowing Poulan they could have used both.....
Steve that is interesting to me as well as far as I can tell there were no cast mufflers on the 200 series just these 2 screw tin mufflers. When the 306 come around is when the cast mufflers showed up on them. As you know the later 306's (and 245's) came with a differnt style tin muffler with only one screw holding the cover on.
Far as I can tell when the 245 was introduced, it had the same 200 series 2 screw tin muffler and never had a cast muffler stock. Untill I am shown differntly, that is what I believe.
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