Pioneer chainsaws

[pioneerguy600]

Front handle, clutch side cover, bar and chain all on,

Saw is ready to do a startup but not tonight, it will get a new chain, top rear handle, a brake band and an aux oiler button when they arrive.
Pioneerguy600

 

[pioneerguy600]

I told Chris you would have a idea! I wasnt sure what would work with a 3 legged lamination.

That 62 is looking very good.

I hope it all works out, if not let me know, I am sure I can get something to work.
The P62 may still need a few small parts but it will be basically runable after this evening.
Pioneerguy600

 

[pioneerguy600]

Looking great Jerry. Is that my new years present? Or maybe a late xmas and bday present

Thanks WM, not sure where this one may end up, got to get it running first and then decide wether to paint it or just keep it as a runner.
Pioneerguy600

 

[Wildman1024]

Thanks WM, not sure where this one may end up, got to get it running first and then decide wether to paint it or just keep it as a runner.
Pioneerguy600

I would keep it as is. Its still in good shape and has character

 

[pioneerguy600]

I would keep it as is. Its still in good shape and has character

It is in fairly nice shape and a little character is ok by me.
Pioneerguy600

 

[cbfarmall]

I hope it all works out, if not let me know, I am sure I can get something to work.
The P62 may still need a few small parts but it will be basically runable after this evening.
Pioneerguy600

I had great success with this. The C-5 coil would probably have worked, but it was glued to the lamination and I would have ended up destroying it. However, my 6-22 parts saw coil and lamination easily separated. I did have to remove a few layers of lamination on the center leg to make it fit. Also, the high tension lead leaves the coil tangentially on the original Pioneer coil. My replacement 6-22 coil has the lead pointed directly at the flywheel with not a lot of clearance. I just zip-tied it back to keep it clear of the flywheel. Dug out a brand new copper core high tension wire (from my stash of tractor parts) and fitted the boot. Saw fired and ran and idled on the first pull!

Original coil, showing one crack. It had many, many more cracks than this.

Replacement coil. You can see the clearance issue with the high tension lead. The coil is physically smaller but effective.

 

[WesternSaw]

Pioneerguy600

Geeezzzz! Jerry I didn't notice that the saw handle was broken at all.Wonder if there is a chance that it was broken in transit? Thought i packed that baby fairly well but you never know.Once while visiting the Vancouver Aquarium we watched a fella unloading a delivery truck several boxes were marked FRAGILE on bold lettered stickers,he was dropping them about three feet to the ground.
The P62 looks great,you did a great job on cleaning it up!
Lawrence

 

[WesternSaw]

cbfarmall

Chris those are great photos for showing the detail of the problem and how you fixed it.For me seeing something like that is a heck of a lot better than reading about it alone.
Lawrence

 

[pioneerguy600]

I had great success with this. The C-5 coil would probably have worked, but it was glued to the lamination and I would have ended up destroying it. However, my 6-22 parts saw coil and lamination easily separated. I did have to remove a few layers of lamination on the center leg to make it fit. Also, the high tension lead leaves the coil tangentially on the original Pioneer coil. My replacement 6-22 coil has the lead pointed directly at the flywheel with not a lot of clearance. I just zip-tied it back to keep it clear of the flywheel. Dug out a brand new copper core high tension wire (from my stash of tractor parts) and fitted the boot. Saw fired and ran and idled on the first pull!

Original coil, showing one crack. It had many, many more cracks than this.

Replacement coil. You can see the clearance issue with the high tension lead. The coil is physically smaller but effective.

Good to hear you got it running, I myself have swapped coils many, many times and have used all makes of coils on numerous occasions on saws I could not find a OEM coil for it. I can see your clearance issue with the high tension lead being close to the flywheel but as long as it is not touching it will work just fine. It is very common for those old coils to crack all to bits and hard as all getout to find OEM replacements. Good job on getting it running again,
Pioneerguy600

 

[pioneerguy600]

Geeezzzz! Jerry I didn't notice that the saw handle was broken at all.Wonder if there is a chance that it was broken in transit? Thought i packed that baby fairly well but you never know.Once while visiting the Vancouver Aquarium we watched a fella unloading a delivery truck several boxes were marked FRAGILE on bold lettered stickers,he was dropping them about three feet to the ground.
The P62 looks great,you did a great job on cleaning it up!
Lawrence

You would not notice that broken handle, it fits back together very well and has almost no movement to it when the airfilter and top cover is on, it has been broken for some time as the area where it broke has rubbed together and sort of smoothed the broken edges, the metal has darkened also. Not an issue, there will be a replacement here shortly.The shippers handle fragile items the same as any other parcel, it`s just another piece of dunnage that has to be delivered. Throwing, dropping, kicking rolling and bifting is all in a days work for those fellows, no such thing as this side up to a shipper, it sits as it lands and whatever is inside better be well padded. You did an excellent job of packing that saw so it had no bearing on what you did or the shippers this time.
I had the saw running this evening, it started easily with that new P&C kit installed, that freah module and flywheel make great spark, within 2-3 mins I had it dialed in on the carb and it will sit and idle forever. Revs up to WOT instantly and is building compression on every turn. I ran it for 5-6 mins and shut it off, tried to restart it and the compression had risen to a point where it pulls the pull handle right out of my grip. I can pick the whole saw up off the floor and it holds itself suspended there, not even one drop/ rotation of the crank, in the time I held it up there. It was an easy cleanup, just oily sawdust, no pitch or heavy sticky deposits, everything just washed off with a stiff parts cleaner brush and varsol, blew it clean with compressed air. Will post picts when the replacement parts arrive so it will just look better.
Pioneerguy600

 

[P62]

Iel Pioneer Cover H T

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Fellows
I had a request for info the this IEL Pioneer clutch cover from an early saw. Looks the same as the cover on an HA HB or HM model but is has the letters H T clearly marked on it. I have no info on a model HT saw. Anyone else have a cover marked like this??

 

[WesternSaw]

Jeff-IEL

Hmmmmm! Can't say that i know of an HT Jeff. I see the letters H and T in the picture you posted,Are those two letters where the model is usually stamped?
Lawrence

 

[cbfarmall]

The 850, once again, with a spruced-up bar that turns out to be a Mac branded bar. At this point, the next step is for me to tear the saw down, clean it up, and wait for better weather to repaint and rebuild. I'm giving serious though to fitting a NOS 41" Cannon roller-nose to this resto. Only catch is it is for the Stihl large-mount saws.

While I'm waiting, I am going to try to get the paint codes. My saw is much too faded to properly color-match.

Chris B.

 

[pioneerguy600]

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Fellows
I had a request for info the this IEL Pioneer clutch cover from an early saw. Looks the same as the cover on an HA HB or HM model but is has the letters H T clearly marked on it. I have no info on a model HT saw. Anyone else have a cover marked like this??

None of those style covers that I have or have seen had letters stamped into them, if IEL wanted to discern a particular model they would cast in the name or numbers, never seen them stamp in numbers or letters on their parts. I for another have never heard of a model HT , but I am always open to new info on that old company.
Pioneerguy600

 

[pioneerguy600]

The 850, once again, with a spruced-up bar that turns out to be a Mac branded bar. At this point, the next step is for me to tear the saw down, clean it up, and wait for better weather to repaint and rebuild. I'm giving serious though to fitting a NOS 41" Cannon roller-nose to this resto. Only catch is it is for the Stihl large-mount saws.

While I'm waiting, I am going to try to get the paint codes. My saw is much too faded to properly color-match.

Chris B.

It is going to be a looker once it gets painted, always liked the paint schemes on the Pioneer saws.
Pioneerguy600

 

[pioneerguy600]

Made up a chain for the P62 today, don`t think anyone had posted picts of a chain being made up so here goes, Took two 70 link chains and made a 89 drive link for the P62.

 

[pioneerguy600]

New links join the chain in the spinner,

 

[pioneerguy600]

When making a longer chain from two shorter chains both have to be broken open, then join in an appropriate length from the donor chain and rivet both ends.

The completed longer

chain;

 

[pioneerguy600]

Mounting the chain on the saw;

 

[pioneerguy600]

Chain on and ready to go cutting.

Nice day here, 30F and little snow, ground frozen nice and hard.
Pioneerguy600