Pioneer chainsaws

[P62]

Any luck finding out wear these saw wear being made to send for sure ? or how many wear made ?

Info is hard to find. Have had a couple of people say that Pioneer made a run of theses for sales in Sweden, possible several hundred but not all were sent. The ones that did not go were to be broken up. Maybe this is one of them. Might explain the lack of a serial tag on the rewind. Have post on the collectors se It if back up again. Lots of collectors there from Sweden Finland etc.

 

[cbfarmall]

----Hear is another sad old saw waiting for me to get to it hopefully some day I need to find a cylinder cover and a muffler

I never do get tired of seeing those 750s/700s. Got a couple myself just itching for rebuilds.

Chris B.

 

[a. palmer jr.]

P39

I have a chance to buy a P39 chainsaw for cheap, however it needs a muffler and at least a set of rings. Looked into the exhaust port and it looked pretty rough in there, so might possibly need a p/c also. Would this be a worthwhile thing to buy or do you think I should pass it up. It's near to where I live and I've passed it up for over a year.

 

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[huck01955]

Very nice 450 Brian

 

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Thanks Joe,

It is very clean for an all original one

Brian and Tina

 

[huck01955]

IEL Model M

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[timberdollars]

405's versus p42

You're just too dang happy!

Don't have much experience w/ WJ carbs - all my saws have SDC except the 655. Can't honestly say I've seen any real difference. The fuel/ oil partition on the 655 looked like it needed some attention, so I did some JB Weld w/o taking it apart. Won't know for a while how good my fix is. In all the others, the windows still look too good to monkey with.

Pretty much have never run stock air filters. Got three velocity stacks from a Pioneer dealer in the early '80s. I'm not K&N's biggest fan, but they have served me well. I wish I had one more velocity stack. Maybe one for me as well - at 10,000', there ain't much air in the air. Wish I had some extra stacks to send you.

Interesting that one 405 has boost ports.

You could likely make a glass reed, if you can't find one. I'll let you know if I find an extra one.

Your Western looks exactly like mine (did). Seems like mine came with a single-stage glass reed. It also had one-piece Phelon ignition. That ignition is now on the P52 that usta be a P51. Maybe my 42 was built a month or so later than yours. Have you run full-chisel chain on the P42? Makes it even faster.

Glad to get the update,

Jack

OK heres the Low down!!! my 405 with boost port is WAY SLOW AND GUTLESS!!! my p42 western with 110 psi compression is NOT even in the same league! The 405 has boost port and about 130psi on my bad Matco tester . It seems rich all the time and I rebuilt the Wj and even switched it to another without change. Its slow to gain speed then runs rich, I bypassed the governor with no change.
Am I missing something? The p42 western is worn out and has INSTANT response and power UP THE A**, I mean that!!!!!!
I THINK its all carb issues, it idles perfect in any angle but is slow and rich, I think the accelerator circuit in these are to blame!!!!! I guess I'll buy a SDC 80 to compare.

Note: 405's have West coast filters housings but the plastic top covers warp if proper filter is not used!

Anyone have input!!!!

Duane

 

[Busmech]

OK heres the Low down!!! my 405 with boost port is WAY SLOW AND GUTLESS!!! my p42 western with 110 psi compression is NOT even in the same league! The 405 has boost port and about 130psi on my bad Matco tester . It seems rich all the time and I rebuilt the Wj and even switched it to another without change. Its slow to gain speed then runs rich, I bypassed the governor with no change.
Am I missing something? The p42 western is worn out and has INSTANT response and power UP THE A**, I mean that!!!!!!
I THINK its all carb issues, it idles perfect in any angle but is slow and rich, I think the accelerator circuit in these are to blame!!!!! I guess I'll buy a SDC 80 to compare.

Note: 405's have West coast filters housings but the plastic top covers warp if proper filter is not used!

Anyone have input!!!!

Duane

Try switching the carbs between the two saws. I have several with the WJ carbs that work fine. Have you checked the reeds in your 405?

 

[Luis Cabrita]

Pioneer 650 - From Heimann

Hi everybody.

Just want to share some photos of my 650 sended from US.
It´s a bit difficult to finish this restore project because i cant find a (clutch) side cover. If anyone can help me...:msp_thumbup:

By the way, thanks Mark... this is becoming a beauty...


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[nstueve]

new to me 1200..

well guys i'll be picking up my barn find Pioneer 1200 on Friday. She looks a little rough but I might get her to run! Anyone have any comments about the 1200? good or bad? did they have any major faults? can't wait to check out my new saw! :biggrinbounce2:

 

[a. palmer jr.]

well guys i'll be picking up my barn find Pioneer 1200 on Friday. She looks a little rough but I might get her to run! Anyone have any comments about the 1200? good or bad? did they have any major faults? can't wait to check out my new saw! :biggrinbounce2:

They're a conventional saw for the time they were built, no surprises. Easy to work on but getting harder to find parts. If it's complete it would be nice.

 

[DSS]

OK heres the Low down!!! my 405 with boost port is WAY SLOW AND GUTLESS!!! my p42 western with 110 psi compression is NOT even in the same league! The 405 has boost port and about 130psi on my bad Matco tester . It seems rich all the time and I rebuilt the Wj and even switched it to another without change. Its slow to gain speed then runs rich, I bypassed the governor with no change.
Am I missing something? The p42 western is worn out and has INSTANT response and power UP THE A**, I mean that!!!!!!
I THINK its all carb issues, it idles perfect in any angle but is slow and rich, I think the accelerator circuit in these are to blame!!!!! I guess I'll buy a SDC 80 to compare.

Note: 405's have West coast filters housings but the plastic top covers warp if proper filter is not used!

Anyone have input!!!!

Duane

Like Jerry said, any carb should work if it's in good shape, but I have a lot more luck with an SDC than anything else. That's what I'd be looking at.

 

[nstueve]

They're a conventional saw for the time they were built, no surprises. Easy to work on but getting harder to find parts. If it's complete it would be nice.

yeah it's complete... rusty bar and chain too! LOL... I planning on testing compression and spark on it, maybe tinker with it a bit... I'm not big into old saws so I might end up trading it to someone that will have better use of it and it's parts than i do. So if anyone here is dying for a 1200 for parts or to rebuild let me know... I'm not so attached to it that I won't trade it or sell it.

 

[timberdollars]

405s

OK heres the Low down!!! my 405 with boost port is WAY SLOW AND GUTLESS!!! my p42 western with 110 psi compression is NOT even in the same league! The 405 has boost port and about 130psi on my bad Matco tester . It seems rich all the time and I rebuilt the Wj and even switched it to another without change. Its slow to gain speed then runs rich, I bypassed the governor with no change.
Am I missing something? The p42 western is worn out and has INSTANT response and power UP THE A**, I mean that!!!!!!
I THINK its all carb issues, it idles perfect in any angle but is slow and rich, I think the accelerator circuit in these are to blame!!!!! I guess I'll buy a SDC 80 to compare.

Note: 405's have West coast filters housings but the plastic top covers warp if proper filter is not used!

Anyone have input!!!!

Duane

Ok I switched carbs back and forth between 405s, there both good and I kitted both even though they were rebuilt pretty recent, Lever height is correct. Both saws have fiberglass reeds that are great and seal tight everytime, tested with gas. Everything checks out great, they just don't have the power or throttle response of the P42 Western. I can lean out the H screw to gain more but then its only turned out 1/2-3/4 turn.(3/4 out is my limit) The low screw is out 1 1/2 turns any more in causes a bog, out to rich. (both carbs same adjustments)
Think I go with a SDC, to try it out, this one Boost port type 405 should run circles around the worn cylinder P42, the others getting rebuilt with a 455 BP jug.

Duane

 

[hillwilliam]

42 vs 405

Ok I switched carbs back and forth between 405s, there both good and I kitted both even though they were rebuilt pretty recent, Lever height is correct. Both saws have fiberglass reeds that are great and seal tight everytime, tested with gas. Everything checks out great, they just don't have the power or throttle response of the P42 Western. I can lean out the H screw to gain more but then its only turned out 1/2-3/4 turn.(3/4 out is my limit) The low screw is out 1 1/2 turns any more in causes a bog, out to rich. (both carbs same adjustments)
Think I go with a SDC, to try it out, this one Boost port type 405 should run circles around the worn cylinder P42, the others getting rebuilt with a 455 BP jug.

Duane

I've been curious how the 405s stack up compared w/ the old 42. Never having run a 405 (as it turns out), I figured you would need to do timed cuts using the same b/c to really tell the difference. Wish I had a quick answer for you - and a right one. Trying the SDC from your 42 on a 405 should tell you something. Is the SDC a bigger bore than the others?

Maybe there is just something special about the P42 Westerns. As I've said before, mine ran like a turpentine cat, and I was used to big bad saws. Can't quantify it, but I think it would outrun my P45s. I don't understand why it was so hot - I still have the jug here, and it's nothing special. I had done a nice job on the exhaust port - better than I have patience for now - but it ran really well before I tinkered with it. I'd degree it, but I can't with blown bearings. You have my curiosity going again. Maybe I'll find a new bottom end and put it back together.

Just had another thought: maybe the ignition timing is more advanced on the 42.

Jack

 

[Busmech]

If the 405 runs the same with both carbs something else must be the culprit, check the air gap on your coil, too tight and you'll have weak spark, too tight of gap on your plug could causae this also. Maybe there is a partial fuel blockage in the line or the filter. Make sure both your coil and flywheel are phelons, could be a prestolite flywheel, I don't think it run that way but I'm not sure.

 

[Arrowhead]

Duane, does you p42 have the sdc 80? I'm assuming the 405's have a wj. If the 42 has the sdc80, put that on the 405.

 

[timberdollars]

405s

Duane, does you p42 have the sdc 80? I'm assuming the 405's have a wj. If the 42 has the sdc80, put that on the 405.

Yes thats part of, it my western does have a sdc 80, and the throttle shaft is really bad on it but runs too good to mess with, I'm using it daily so I'm not pulling it apart.
Update: I think my issue is PO ran really rich mixes and rich fuel loads, I'm leaning it out every time I run it today, its REALLY starting to come alive, I think there too much carbon on the combustion chamber, the exguast wasn't too bad but entire insides were kinda brown/black including piston, muffler, plug. Its running MUCH MUCH better now and its letting me take the screws in a 1/16 at a time now and likes it, idle is improving greatly without smoke now. STARTING TO PULL HARD!!!!!! 24" full comp in 30" Maple is easy now.

I'll give it some time to clean out now.

Duane

 

[timberdollars]

P42

I've been curious how the 405s stack up compared w/ the old 42. Never having run a 405 (as it turns out), I figured you would need to do timed cuts using the same b/c to really tell the difference. Wish I had a quick answer for you - and a right one. Trying the SDC from your 42 on a 405 should tell you something. Is the SDC a bigger bore than the others?

Maybe there is just something special about the P42 Westerns. As I've said before, mine ran like a turpentine cat, and I was used to big bad saws. Can't quantify it, but I think it would outrun my P45s. I don't understand why it was so hot - I still have the jug here, and it's nothing special. I had done a nice job on the exhaust port - better than I have patience for now - but it ran really well before I tinkered with it. I'd degree it, but I can't with blown bearings. You have my curiosity going again. Maybe I'll find a new bottom end and put it back together.

Just had another thought: maybe the ignition timing is more advanced on the 42.

Jack

Pick up that Farmsaw case with the epoxy on it from Ebay, bolt a P42 back together!!!, or you could sell me your P42 cylinder "IF" it was a two piece ignition cylinder. Or I think they are 6203-c3 bearings, or 6202 can't remember, but CHEAP!!!!!! easy to get.

Duane