Pioneer chainsaws

[paul hill]

So Im sure this info is in the thread somewhere but I don't feel like reading through 764 pages. Is there anybody selling parts for pioneers? Im rebuilding a Pioneer P42 but am putting a power port p45 cylinder on it. Im needing a center gasket, crankshaft seals and bearings, and top end bearing. I'm also interested in setting up the squish. Anybody have what is considered a safe clearance and head volume? Possibly a bar also. My saw was given to me and it has an old Bow Bar on it. While its cool i think a regular bar will be needed.

Thanks for the help.

Acornhill here on Arboristsite used to have quite a few NOS Pioneer parts that he was selling. Great guy to deal with. You can probably send him a private message and see what he has.

Pretty sure you will be fine with a squish of about. 020 on that saw. But, using a stock base gasket will likely cause the squish to be much higher.. My 455 is about. 017 and I believe we used a brown paper grocery bag and some sealant to get it there. It'll really run the way its set up.

 

[p61 western]

I will also vouch for Acornhill. Great guy to deal with, and super fast shipping.

 

[paul hill]

Acornhill here on Arboristsite used to have quite a few NOS Pioneer parts that he was selling. Great guy to deal with. You can probably send him a private message and see what he has.

Pretty sure you will be fine with a squish of about. 020 on that saw. But, using a stock base gasket will likely cause the squish to be much higher.. My 455 is about. 017 and I believe we used a brown paper grocery bag and some sealant to get it there. It'll really run the way its set up.

Acornhill here on Arboristsite used to have quite a few NOS Pioneer parts that he was selling. Great guy to deal with. You can probably send him a private message and see what he has.

Pretty sure you will be fine with a squish of about. 020 on that saw. But, using a stock base gasket will likely cause the squish to be much higher.. My 455 is about. 017 and I believe we used a brown paper grocery bag and some sealant to get it there. It'll really run the way its set up.

Acornhill here on Arboristsite used to have quite a few NOS Pioneer parts that he was selling. Great guy to deal with. You can probably send him a private message and see what he has.

Pretty sure you will be fine with a squish of about. 020 on that saw. But, using a stock base gasket will likely cause the squish to be much higher.. My 455 is about. 017 and I believe we used a brown paper grocery bag and some sealant to get it there. It'll really run the way its set up.

Acornhill here on Arboristsite used to have quite a few NOS Pioneer parts that he was selling. Great guy to deal with. You can probably send him a private message and see what he has.

Pretty sure you will be fine with a squish of about. 020 on that saw. But, using a stock base gasket will likely cause the squish to be much higher.. My 455 is about. 017 and I believe we used a brown paper grocery bag and some sealant to get it there. It'll really run the way its set up.

I'm not bragging because other than sharpening the chain and tuning the carb, I don't have squat to do with how great this 455 runs. I'm not even the one running it here as I let the experienced guy do that.

But I don't see many videos on here of these old Pioneer saws running. We talk about them, help each other fix them, and show pictures of them but rarely show how great they run which we all enjoy.

Now that a ran my mouth so much, hopefully this video link will work correctly!

 

[rarefish383]

I'm not bragging because other than sharpening the chain and tuning the carb, I don't have squat to do with how great this 455 runs. I'm not even the one running it here as I let the experienced guy do that.

But I don't see many videos on here of these old Pioneer saws running. We talk about them, help each other fix them, and show pictures of them but rarely show how great they run which we all enjoy.

Now that a ran my mouth so much, hopefully this video link will work correctly!

Works for me, short and sweet. I'm not familiar with Pioneer yet, so I had to look it up. I saw a 450 at 89CC's. I hope my 700 at 106CC's will do that, or better. Oops, the 450 I looked up isn't like yours.

 

[fxer]

Picked up my 2400 today and when owner took me in his shop it seemed like a museum. He had five 600 pioneers three having pioneer tree starters and 2 fairbank- morse starters. He had at least 4 iels including a ha like mine. He had a couple of strange ones he said came from same company before them. One shelf had big p,s from p61 down to orange pp45. Another shelf had p40,s ,p41,s both standard and hi performance and three p42,s. He said he had more 42,s in basement. I,ve been saving the best for last. He had a p35 looked new, the one with the vertical cylinder and which he told me he was never!! ever going to sell. I am under strict orders not to divulge his area or address. I asked some questions about buying one of his p42,s and a nice 3270 he had and he said he would think about it and let me know later. It seems that there more pioneer collectors around than we think. Allan

 

[p61 western]

I'm not bragging because other than sharpening the chain and tuning the carb, I don't have squat to do with how great this 455 runs. I'm not even the one running it here as I let the experienced guy do that.

But I don't see many videos on here of these old Pioneer saws running. We talk about them, help each other fix them, and show pictures of them but rarely show how great they run which we all enjoy.

Now that a ran my mouth so much, hopefully this video link will work correctly!

Motivated me to use my p62 with the 655bp top end. Got a big ponderosa pine to mill, so might as well give it some action. Will do my best to get some video of it. Hope all has been well Paul.

 

[paul hill]

Motivated me to use my p62 with the 655bp top end. Got a big ponderosa pine to mill, so might as well give it some action. Will do my best to get some video of it. Hope all has been well Paul.

I'm doing well and I hope you are too. I'd love to see that big saw running in a milling cut. Please get some video and share it.

 

[paul hill]

Works for me, short and sweet. I'm not familiar with Pioneer yet, so I had to look it up. I saw a 450 at 89CC's. I hope my 700 at 106CC's will do that, or better. Oops, the 450 I looked up isn't like yours.

Yeah the Pioneer 450 is an older saw for sure. Mine is actually a Poulan Pro 455 which is a Pioneer design . I'm pretty sure the 750 will cut about anything you bury the bar into. From the videos I've seen of those things , they're impressive old saws and I hope you enjoy it.

 

[rarefish383]

Thanks for clearing that up. Most of my saws are over 70CC and I aim at over 90CC saws. Chris helped me out a lot on the 700. I thought I was going to have trouble finding rings for it, so I started on a Mac 7-10. While ordering parts from Bob Johnson for the Mac, I found out he used to be a Pioneer dealer, so he looked through his inventory and found one set of rings. So, now the 700 goes on the bench as soon as the parts get here and the 7-10 is finished. I always look forward to the first time I fire up a new big saw.

 

[xl130]

It's part of the high circuit only. As far as how it works I'm not sure. I've heard different things, but can't confirm nor deny them. I just block all of them. Fortunately I now have SDC 80's on all my p series saws.

Is there a particular SDC 80 model that you use? Does it have to be a SDC”80” or can it be 81,82,83 etc.?
Sorry for the weird questions. Not overly familiar with Pioneer carbs and saws.

 

[p61 western]

Is there a particular SDC 80 model that you use? Does it have to be a SDC”80” or can it be 81,82,83 etc.?
Sorry for the weird questions. Not overly familiar with Pioneer carbs and saws.

The sdc 80 is non governed, and 19mm venturi. The sdc 53 is more common, and run okay with the governor blocked off. No worries about the questions. This thread is about helping others with Pioneer saws.

 

[paul hill]

Is there a particular SDC 80 model that you use? Does it have to be a SDC”80” or can it be 81,82,83 etc.?
Sorry for the weird questions. Not overly familiar with Pioneer carbs and saws.

If you're looking for a carb for the Farmsaw you were working on, the SDC 80 would probably be overkill. I think the other ones you mentioned probably won't work because they were on different saws with different linkage setups, etc.

 

[Marine-piper]

Remember that saying "The only dumb question is the one not asked"[emoji848]

Homelite enthusiast in training.

 

[p61 western]

Here is a video of me milling with the p62. It has a 655bp top end on it. P62 With The Alaskan Saw Mill - YouTube

 

[Lou]

Interesting sawdust.
I was expecting noodles, is it because you are still cutting across the grain? Even more across than a normal felling cut.
Maybe with a little explanation, I learned something today, thanks.

 

[pioneerguy600]

Interesting sawdust.
I was expecting noodles, is it because you are still cutting across the grain? Even more across than a normal felling cut.
Maybe with a little explanation, I learned something today, thanks.

Yep.

 

[p61 western]

Interesting sawdust.
I was expecting noodles, is it because you are still cutting across the grain? Even more across than a normal felling cut.
Maybe with a little explanation, I learned something today, thanks.

In short it has to do with the dust only being the size of the depth gauges setting. It's like a crosscut, but slightly different. Hope that makes sense. Normally when milling it's real fine dust except where you hit nots. They produce a noodle so to speak. This is what I brought home today.

 

[89HD]

Nice slabs, good job on that, what kind of wood? Looks like bug kill pine that we have here

 

[p61 western]

Nice slabs, good job on that, what kind of wood? Looks like bug kill pine that we have here

Thank you. Good eye it's ponderosa pine. I've done about 600bft so far with a decent amount still to go on the same tree.

 

[paul hill]

Here is a video of me milling with the p62. It has a 655bp top end on it. P62 With The Alaskan Saw Mill - YouTube

Thanks for sharing that video. I miss milling even if it is slow back breaking work. I need to make some time to do that soon. Nice haul of boards you got out of that tree and the 62 looks like it's running great.