proper pruning 75' tulip

[mr. holden wood]

That's garbage... no way are the stubs on those little cuts going to cause widespread anything..
Lazyness is contagious, after watching your co workers tear cuts and leave stubs all day you come home and watch a vid that boasts the same results. After awhile you start to validate it to yourself. It's just a few stubs, a tear cut and a peel whatever phuck it, on to the next tree Those small stubs may not condemn the tree but the sure look like the work of a lazy arborist.
Not the worst job i've ever seen, I just wouldn't make a vid of that titled proper pruning, more like I pruned a tree today. Definitely not the standard for proper pruning.

 

[treeseer]

Those small stubs may not condemn the tree but the sure look like the work of a lazy arborist.

I encourage you to look again. the age of the exposed tissue makes all the difference--symplast/sapwood responds favorably, apoplast/heartwood does not, so it rots. As for sprouts, would an uncontrollable "flurry" really be expected from a 1.5" or even a 3" wound, when all those other growing points are left? I don't think so--the response would be diffused throughout more of the tree system than the location of the cut..

We reeeeeeally need to get beyond the 1986 paradigm of the branch removal cut at the collar as our definition of proper pruning. I've disagreed with murph on several things but this is not one of them. Ya gotta see the whole tree, and the long-term objective.

 

[ropensaddle]

I encourage you to look again. the age of the exposed tissue makes all the difference--symplast/sapwood responds favorably, apoplast/heartwood does not, so it rots. As for sprouts, would an uncontrollable "flurry" really be expected from a 1.5" or even a 3" wound, when all those other growing points are left? I don't think so--the response would be diffused throughout more of the tree system than the location of the cut..

We reeeeeeally need to get beyond the 1986 paradigm of the branch removal cut at the collar as our definition of proper pruning. I've disagreed with murph on several things but this is not one of them. Ya gotta see the whole tree, and the long-term objective.

Well now are you to tell me when suitable laterals are available near the 3"area that you would rather see it stubbed off? What are the objectives? My definition of proper pruning starts with a goal. Usually it consists of pruning dead, crossing branch and weak attachments and sometimes followed by light reduction with pruner! "And yes I can prune to a lateral with my Marvin". What the goal is of the prune determines my plan. If its just health related, I do what was mentioned above . If its for vista, I have been been asked to top, or worse over raise but only after documenting proof of me informing them what the result will be. I will say from a health aspect,the stubs may not be harmful but it is not up to my standard when there were obvious laterals 8" from stub.

 

[ropensaddle]

Small stubs like that are almost guarenteed to die, not sucker, especially on tulip.. Please stop acting like you know what you're talking about!

Hmmmm, dead wood can encourage fungus. Just tell me why he have books that explain the proper cuts if we don't intend to care if we use them? Just ouside the bbpz and I too far in and I too far out and I look ugly and raise bugs and fungi :rant: If the tree could talk it would say that

 

[ropensaddle]

ok folks I got to go freeze my buns being a tree undertaker the come back and mulch my own no trim necessary

 

[lxt]

Small stubs like that are almost guarenteed to die, not sucker, especially on tulip.. Please stop acting like you know what you're talking about!

LOL,.........its ok Murph, we all know you are the only one who knows anything? NOT!!!!!! speaking of knowing what you`re talking about......tell us how elsewhere you post about reading that 4th edition?? LOL.....they love you elsewhere as much as we do?

you sir are a bladder full of hot air, a bold face liar, an accident waiting to happen & on top of all that its clear that the techniques you use & the practices you incorporate into tree work show you have no clue what you are doing let alone what you are talking about!!!

I called you & your videos "AA like"..............its worse that I thought after reading elsewhere.......you`re not like AA...you`re worse than AA



LXT................

 

[treeslayer]

you guys make me laugh. :biggrin:

 

[ropensaddle]

you guys make me laugh. :biggrin:

Whacha mean willis :monkey:

 

[lxt]

Hmmmm, dead wood can encourage fungus. Just tell me why he have books that explain the proper cuts if we don't intend to care if we use them? Just ouside the bbpz and I too far in and I too far out and I look ugly and raise bugs and fungi :rant: If the tree could talk it would say that

Exactly right Ropes, Yeah: tulips, cherries, maples, sycamores, etc.. you leave stubs on those trees purposely cause they are almost sure to dieback instead of sucker

Thats the statement of a true know nothing tree man..........Hell, the utility never has a problem with sucker growth from stubs it must be different in those residential trees?? LMFAO Ive seen collar cuts sucker!!

Fact is: that Tulip is the farthest thing from a proper prune job that I have seen & I cant believe Seer is advocating that kinda pruning...........Makes me question My Certification(s) even more...........I guess creating a standard is out the window, cause certain people will debate that what they did was right even when the top minds in the industry "Say It is Im-proper"...Maybe Murph should really read those books he said he did.................2 sites cant be wrong, Ooops forgot its Murphy we are talking about...LMFAO




LXT............................

 

[treeslayer]

LOL,.........its ok Murph, we all know you are the only one who knows anything? NOT!!!!!! speaking of knowing what you`re talking about......tell us how elsewhere you post about reading that 4th edition?? LOL.....they love you elsewhere as much as we do?

you sir are a bladder full of hot air, a bold face liar, an accident waiting to happen & on top of all that its clear that the techniques you use & the practices you incorporate into tree work show you have no clue what you are doing let alone what you are talking about!!!

I called you & your videos "AA like"..............its worse that I thought after reading elsewhere.......you`re not like AA...you`re worse than AA



LXT................

and you are a ####ing #######.:hmm3grin2orange:
I am working with him everyday (for several weeks now), and have known him since '03. And while he is a character, he is a GOOD treeman. he does some crazy ####, but who doesn't?
He's very competent with takedowns, he's anal about safety, and if you're scared of his methods, stay on the porch with the puppies, little dawg. :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[tree MDS]

Oh ####... it's on!! opcorn:

 

[lxt]

I encourage you to look again. the age of the exposed tissue makes all the difference--symplast/sapwood responds favorably, apoplast/heartwood does not, so it rots. As for sprouts, would an uncontrollable "flurry" really be expected from a 1.5" or even a 3" wound, when all those other growing points are left? I don't think so--the response would be diffused throughout more of the tree system than the location of the cut..

We reeeeeeally need to get beyond the 1986 paradigm of the branch removal cut at the collar as our definition of proper pruning. I've disagreed with murph on several things but this is not one of them. Ya gotta see the whole tree, and the long-term objective.

You Need to actually do some tree work!!!! & to answer your question.............YES it is possible for a "flurry" of suckers to be expected, anyone who has done utility work knows this...............Funny I have only looked/Consulted with a local utility in regards to their ROW`s & the trimming being done...............prolly looked at over 2-3000 trees & wrote up the work orders personally....guess what Seer? work that was done this past March showed signs of secondary growth by October on both Collar cuts & stubs (im-proper cuts): This included all Tree species & was throughout Ohio!! Guess I should of told First Energy that 2 guys on the internet feel that leaving stubs on branch tips is ok....funny how crews were sent out on rework!!! Dam if only those stubs would of died instead of suckering.................!

Wow....for an international consultant I am surprised!!! Maybe you need to do more consulting work at home if you do any at all, BTW.... If you would like perhaps you should accompany me on some future consultations & that way I can show you instead of tell you..........the Dupont project will be ending this month.......we`ll see if you up for it?

I cant...I says I just cant believe these two do tree work @ a Professional level???? might as well take the pruning section outta the study guide too!! LMFAO



LXT..............

 

[lxt]

and you are a ####ing #######.:hmm3grin2orange:
I am working with him everyday (for several weeks now), and have known him since '03. And while he is a character, he is a GOOD treeman. he does some crazy ####, but who doesn't?
He's very competent with takedowns, he's anal about safety, and if you're scared of his methods, stay on the porch with the puppies, little dawg. :hmm3grin2orange:

LMFAO.................wow, all that from someone who couldnt reach the belt on my trousers!! I dont care how long you have worked with him................his videos crack me up along with many here & elsewhere, he is an unsafe, reckless, non educated tree man & apparently just the sort you need to learn from?

Scared of his methods................Dude they`re not worth the high chair you have to sit at!!! you keep playing with the little pony & dreaming of how the big boys really do it! Other than that I just hope ole Murph doesnt stop to make a toilet deposit...it would be un-nerving to have to remove your head from his ass every time!!

LOL........this little sopository with ears has to defend his lil buddy cause we are telling him his workmanship, attitude & overall abilities are average at best & at times sub-par............Oooooo lets give them boys a cookie!!



LXT..............

 

[tree MDS]

I wonder if there are plumber's forums, where all the plumbers hang and get all worked up and start hating on each other.

 

[treeclimber101]

I wonder if there are plumber's forums, where all the plumbers hang and get all worked up and start hating on each other.

I am sure .... But we all know who lays the biggest pipe here .......... and thats a great pic of Pablo I will forward that on to him , he said that you were shaking your head afraid we were gonna cut your tape , and I am not gonna lie there was one time I almost accidentally lopped of 40ft of it LOL

 

[treeclimber101]

and you are a ####ing #######.:hmm3grin2orange:
I am working with him everyday (for several weeks now), and have known him since '03. And while he is a character, he is a good treeman. He does some crazy ####, but who doesn't?
He's very competent with takedowns, he's anal about safety, and if you're scared of his methods, stay on the porch with the puppies, little dawg. :hmm3grin2orange:

Well that just officially landed you on the naughty list ......

 

[pdqdl]

I sure wish there was some insightful comment that I could add to this thread that would inspire more cooperation and more appropriate dialog about proper pruning techniques.



But we all know that ain't happening, don't we?

:sword:

 

[lxt]

I sure wish there was some insightful comment that I could add to this thread that would inspire more cooperation and more appropriate dialog about proper pruning techniques.



But we all know that ain't happening, don't we?

:sword:

I agree, I have taken some shots & got some back.........but I dont consider those sources to matter! perhaps instead of name calling we could engage in why this is not a proper prune job? But......if FTA & Slayer wanna a verbal insult fest....welp Ill try to refrain?????




LXT.............

 

[treeclimber101]

I agree, I have taken some shots & got some back.........but I dont consider those sources to matter! perhaps instead of name calling we could engage in why this is not a proper prune job? But......if FTA & Slayer wanna a verbal insult fest....welp Ill try to refrain?????




LXT.............

Why ??? Taking the higher road rarely pays off , sometimes ya just gotta rollup your pants legs and jump feet first into someones ass ....

 

[Metals406]

Again, not a tree guy. . . But I trimmed a branch (3.5") on a Maple right near the collar, took my time so there was no tear-out, etc.

Like lxt said, sprouts around the collar started coming out almost right away. I always thought that was what they did, cut a limb at the trunk, sprouts are gonna happen. As far as I knew, I was following all the 'trimming rules' for that limb.

Was it something I did that made it want to sprout, or is that nature of the beast?