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I would like to know about all the people with battery powered chainsaws are making out in areas that suffered damage from the storm. Without power how can they recharge there saws batteries? Some may have portable generators however myself I would rather have a supply of mix for my saws. And in closing I would like to wish everyone the fastest method to get things back to normal.
 
I would like to know about all the people with battery powered chainsaws are making out in areas that suffered damage from the storm. Without power how can they recharge there saws batteries? Some may have portable generators however myself I would rather have a supply of mix for my saws. And in closing I would like to wish everyone the fastest method to get things back to normal.
My guess is a lot of those with gas saws don't have a supply of mix on hand or ready access to an operating service station.
 
My guess is a lot of those with gas saws don't have a supply of mix on hand or ready access to an operating service station.
SD, they had more than ample warning. Until we get some sort of solid evidence we will simply have to speculate. Honestly, there is not a valid reason not to be prepared with all the weather information available.
 
I think the premise to the original question makes an incorrect assumption. That assumption is that those who have some form of electric chainsaw on hand for storm cleanup are anticipating having to perform those cleanup activities after being hit by a large scale storm. That is not the case. Those individuals are anticipating having to clean up a few limbs or MAYBE 1 entire tree. Electric chainsaws are ideal for those kinds of activities, and that's enough for 95% of the country 99% of the time. Even when a big tornado comes through, the power is only out for a day in most of the effected area. Power may be out for a week or more for some people (been there, done that), but that's not the normal situation. For the majority of the areas impacted by a bad storm, IF your power is out after 24 hrs, area's where there IS power is only a 15 minute drive away. The exception (in my opinion are hurricanes because they impact extremely large areas compared to any other type of storm system.

The reality is that if you are unfortunate enough to take a direct hit by a major storm, no amount of mixed 2 cycle fuel sitting on your shelf is going to help you because those shelves, along with all of your equipment, will likely be scattered all across the neighboring 4 counties. Even if that is not the case, downed trees are not going to be your primary concern the day after the storm. The primary concern is clearing the roads for emergency response crews, and getting food, water and (dry) shelter for the people who are the most effected. At the end of the day, you're going to need help. On the other hand, if you live in a rural wooded area, it doesn't take a very bad storm for you to need a chainsaw so it depends on your circumstances.

There will be a time for firing up the chainsaw and getting the tree off your house, but if you have a tree laying on your house and your experience with a chainsaw is limited to mostly electric saws, you should NOT be trying to take a tree off of your house. Getting the tree off your house is the easy part. Finding a decent contractor to put your house back together is the hard part, and if you find him, you're going to be on a LONG list of people waiting for him. Odds are that if you're the type of person who has enough $$ that you're not real sure how to start an electric chainsaw, you're going to be higher on that list than those of us who operate power saws on a regular basis.
 
There's a few assumptions in this thread, but it's mostly a bait and bash for the OP, from my perspective.
I think from an efficiency standpoint this makes perfect sense. It would be interesting To do an experiment. Take 5 gallons of gas mix it up and cut wood until it’s gone. Then take 5 gallons a generator and a Betty saw and do the same. Then compare the amount of wood cut. I bet the old fashioned saw would come out ahead but who knows
 
I think from an efficiency standpoint this makes perfect sense. It would be interesting To do an experiment. Take 5 gallons of gas mix it up and cut wood until it’s gone. Then take 5 gallons a generator and a Betty saw and do the same. Then compare the amount of wood cut. I bet the old fashioned saw would come out ahead but who knows

It's more of a non issue because anyone who is out doing disaster cleanup isn't going to show up with only battery tools.
 
No electric saws here. Unless you count sawzall in my Milwaukee tools. They make a charger that connects to 12V so that can be charged with a tractor or truck. Maybe the electric CS do too?

I always try to have at least 2-3 gallons of mix stored in metal Coleman fuel cans. Non-E10 and/or AV gas. Also have on hand extra mix oil and at least 5-gal of non-E10 for other powered tools.

Storm or no storm it's a PITA to have to get fuel when you are out. Storm coming car/truck/tractors get topped off. If trees come down I can cut into pieces that I can move using the tractors and logging chains. Let the power companies deal with the wires and roads.
 
I think from an efficiency standpoint this makes perfect sense. It would be interesting To do an experiment. Take 5 gallons of gas mix it up and cut wood until it’s gone. Then take 5 gallons a generator and a Betty saw and do the same. Then compare the amount of wood cut. I bet the old fashioned saw would come out ahead but who knows

An efficiency standpoint has nothing to do with storm damage cleanup.

There's also lots of threads on comparing gas to battery. In fact, there's a whole battery tool subforum here that has lots of discussions, including math, of the matter


If the OP isn't baiting, and they're dumb enough to not understand the situation, then they should probably be researching Critical Thinking courses and not chainsaws.
 
Gentleman. I am not baiting. I simply am making a point that gas saws during or after a major storm will prevail. With all the hype about electric saws being the best thing sine sliced bread I was simply making a point that gas saws are stihl (pun intended) the way to go.
 
Gentleman. I am not baiting. I simply am making a point that gas saws during or after a major storm will prevail. With all the hype about electric saws being the best thing sine sliced bread I was simply making a point that gas saws are stihl (pun intended) the way to go.


That's baiting

You're hiding your intent by asking a question to come across as ignorant and innocent.


You can hate progress and battery technology all you want, but they have a place. Thinking they are the end-all-be-all replacement for other forms of the tool is asinine, just like your initial post.
 
If you want a reliable saw that is always (if kept sharp and stored properly) ready, invest in a good quality crosscut saw. That's the only one that runs on people power. I have been amazed at what a sharp crosscut can cut. The Katanaboy saw is also excellent.

Read an account back in 2007 when power was out. A woman who was experienced in wilderness trail work got her husband on the other end of the saw and they cut their road open using people power.

The trouble is learning to sharpen a crosscut and the various tricks of the trade. I've been amazed at the gadgets that one can use to get logs cut. Read up on it.
 
I don't think anyone has claimed battery saws are the best thing since sliced bread, but they definitely have their place. Just because they're not ideal for some disaster scenarios doesn't mean they're not fantastic for a lot of other things.
 
Gentleman. I am not baiting. I simply am making a point that gas saws during or after a major storm will prevail. With all the hype about electric saws being the best thing sine sliced bread I was simply making a point that gas saws are stihl (pun intended) the way to go.
Well, duh.

So do excavators and dozers after a flood. At least if you live in an area where a lot of the citizenry makes their living using these and has them available.

There's no way I can even come close to cutting what I used to do with my Barbie Saw using my new little electric saw. But I do not need a nice chainsaw anymore.

From having lived through a couple of disasters, my question would be how many know how to safely cut blowdown trees? The wind does not care about the lay (placement) of what it falls, and you'd best know about tension and compression prior to helping out.

If you aren't comfy cutting blowdown, there may be opportunities to take your box cutter knives and cut out sodden carpet from homes. Shovel mud out, yard out ruined furniture and appliances. That's what we did. The county put out a radio announcement asking for folks to show up to do the dirty work. And don't call the victims "lazy". First, they've gone through hell. They've lost almost everything and if insured are facing a lot of time and paperwork. They are in shock. Let them rest if they need it and you help them out.

Try to be self sufficient. Take along food and water and maybe extra for others. Bring a set of clothes to change into. Did I say it is filthy work? We even brought water to kind of wash up with afterwards.

There was a great lady who drove her car around and somehow kept hotdogs warm in the trunk. She would pop open the hood and have hotdogs and buns with a few condiments available. That was wonderful! Niceness in the midst of disaster.
 
The Katanaboy saw is also excellent.

I have the big one, super Katanaboy or whatever it's called, full meter long blade. Phenomenal saw.

If any of you haven't used a proper Silky or even a Corona, you're in for a treat. I couldn't believe how easy and fast it was to wade through a 6" limb with a hand saw - and that was a small folding saw, not even the Katanaboy. A 6" limb would be 3-4 strokes with the Katanaboy, and I've cut two foot rounds without too much trouble. Not as fast as a chainsaw by any means, but completely doable.
 
If you aren't comfy cutting blowdown, there may be opportunities to take your box cutter knives and cut out sodden carpet from homes. Shovel mud out, yard out ruined furniture and appliances. That's what we did. The county put out a radio announcement asking for folks to show up to do the dirty work. And don't call the victims "lazy". First, they've gone through hell. They've lost almost everything and if insured are facing a lot of time and paperwork. They are in shock. Let them rest if they need it and you help them out.

And this is why its baiting. Nobody said anything about anybody being lazy or otherwise privileged just like nobody ever said an electric saw was the perfect chainsaw for natural disasters. What people HAVE said (including myself, and I stand by the recommendation) is that IF you want a chainsaw to use for an occasional downed limb or an occasional camp fire, a battery powered saw can be a great choice because you don't have to worry about straight gassing it, and you don't have to worry about carb or other starting issues. If it sits on the shelf for 2 years between uses, when you squeeze the trigger, the chain still goes around so long as the batteries are still good.

A good friend of mine asked me for my recommendation on a chainsaw last year after we had a storm go through. His church had gone to help a fellow member of their congregation who had substantial damage. I don't recall if it was a total loss or not. He helped carry stuff, but he wished he had a saw he could use to help. He knew that I did this kind of volunteer work and asked my opinion. Keep in mind that he's in his late 50s, essentially works in an office, and IF he's ever run a chainsaw it's been at least 20 years. My advice to him was to find his favorite brand of battery powered lawn equipment (trimmers, blowers, ect), and buy a battery powered saw that uses the same batteries. His immediate response was something like "What the heck am I going to cut with a battery powered saw?" My response to him was basically that those saws will do a lot more work than he had any business trying to do. Realistically, a good battery powered saw is on par with most good 50cc saws, and better than anything smaller. They are fine for cutting 10" hardwoods, but they will admittedly have a limited run time. That's enough to cover a LOT of the cleanup work. If you happen to be moving debris by hand instead of with skid steers and mini's, then a battery saw becomes even more useful because you're cutting a lot of branches that are only 3"- 4" across so they will stack nicely in a truck bed, on a trailer, or even lay nicely into a pile. By the time the batteries die, he's likely going to be physically done for the day anyways.

To the OPs point, if you're doing something where a battery powered saw just won't cut it, then you also need to know what you're doing. I've hung up my share of trees while felling dead trees for firewood, but its rare that I work on a tree on a site that's not in worse shape than anything I've ever done on my own. Admittedly, I'm still learning but more than once I've stepped back to let braver (or more experienced, or maybe just dumber) men than me work on a specific tree.
 
I have the big one, super Katanaboy or whatever it's called, full meter long blade. Phenomenal saw.

If any of you haven't used a proper Silky or even a Corona, you're in for a treat. I couldn't believe how easy and fast it was to wade through a 6" limb with a hand saw - and that was a small folding saw, not even the Katanaboy. A 6" limb would be 3-4 strokes with the Katanaboy, and I've cut two foot rounds without too much trouble. Not as fast as a chainsaw by any means, but completely doable.
I've done some crazy things with my Hayate on many occasions!
 
I have the big one, super Katanaboy or whatever it's called, full meter long blade. Phenomenal saw.

If any of you haven't used a proper Silky or even a Corona, you're in for a treat. I couldn't believe how easy and fast it was to wade through a 6" limb with a hand saw - and that was a small folding saw, not even the Katanaboy. A 6" limb would be 3-4 strokes with the Katanaboy, and I've cut two foot rounds without too much trouble. Not as fast as a chainsaw by any means, but completely doable.
I have a small folding Corona saw which I use more than I would use a chainsaw around here. Cut down my Arborvitae (potential torches) with one. They are easy to find in orchard country. I've gone out on a few trail logging out crews and since most of the trails are in wilderness, have learned a bit about people powered saws. I never knew about underbucking--either using an axe handle or a specific device to hold up the saw. It's all fascinating. I'll post a link to Saws That Sing.
https://www.pcta.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/21-MTDC-Saw-that-Sings.pdf

I will also say that I've cut myself more using my Corona less than the Barbie Saw. It's best to wear gloves with hand saws too.
 
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