Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)

[SS396driver]

It's off a k series kohler with a engine mounted tank. I would assume it's been repainted, as they were not painted orange from factory in any tractor that I can recall.

Doesn’t appear to be a repaint the threads are bare metal and just a hint of the orange overspray no other colors .

 

[SS396driver]

Is that a tire changing tool in front? Wish I had one (especially for free).

Yup and a bead breaker and about 10 irons . Even some poly ones for aluminum wheels

 

[sean donato]

Doesn’t appear to be a repaint the threads are bare metal and just a hint of the orange overspray no other colors .

Interesting, typically they came in black, yellow, and white. Never seen one in orange. Even the power king (economy) tractor my brother owns has kohler painted black. I'm certain it's a kohker tank though. I have a bunch of them laying around for some reason.

 

[MustangMike]

Square file chain is a 6 sided file that matches the angles of full chisel chain. The cutting edges are straight, like knife edges, instead of a varying angle like you get when you use a round file in a square tooth. Some people have a lot of difficulty doing it correctly. It helps to be ambidextrous.

The attached is very helpful in understanding it.

The best angles for hardwood seem to be 45*, 45* and 45*, but in softwood more aggressive angles seem to work well. Note: The steeper angles will dull faster.

http://www.madsens1.com/bnc_cb_angles.htm

 

[sean donato]

Just to play around and experiment that's all. I'm not looking to run one for any length of time. I've ripped five and six inch logs in half for coral rungs with my 660 running a 50. Gage 16" a 3/8 and it ripped those logs in half with the quickness! No over rev at all if you know how to keep a proper load on the saw. I've ripped wood with a 20" and 24" on a 660 as well not even close to as fast as the 16"

Interesting way to run a 90cc saw, I've never ran shorter then a 24" on my 390xp and never seen a reason to run a shorter bar. Typically I let the 36" bar on it. From other guys playing it seems you get to this point where the chain speed of the smaller cc saws actually out cut the larger cc saws in small wood. This was particularly noticeable with my 394/5xp and my dad's 084av. 24" bars on both saws the 394/5xp would tie or just be a little faster. 36" the 394/5xp was a little slower. We were in the same oak log, was probably closer to 34" just the tip of the bar would stick out at center. I will say this much, I'd rather run a 394/5xp ms660 or a 3120xp over any of the old 084-090 saws. Much smoother cutting. That 084av made my hands numb for hours after cutting with it. Screw that. Don't need it.

 

[MustangMike]

I'm 99% sure the 400 will be the death of the ms362.(intended by stihl) Well I personally think (so far) if it holds up at all it will be the go to 60/70cc saw. And believe me when I say I'm biased with my 60/70cc saws. I've never cared for a 50cc saw. Too heavy and gut less and a 70cc was pretty much the same way compared to a 90cc saw. The 400 is nearly a full pound lighter then any of my 60cc husqys, and I'm pretty sure it will go neck and neck with any of the old guard 70cc saws. Don't think it will hang with a ms 462 or a 572xp. But we'll see.

Could make the same comments about the 462 or 500i. All three are very light for their displacement and power.

I love my 10 mm 044 and it runs very strong ... but my two ported 462s ,,. Lighter, smoother, faster, less air filter cleaning.

 

[Kodiak Kid]

Interesting way to run a 90cc saw, I've never ran shorter then a 24" on my 390xp and never seen a reason to run a shorter bar. Typically I let the 36" bar on it. From other guys playing it seems you get to this point where the chain speed of the smaller cc saws actually out cut the larger cc saws in small wood. This was particularly noticeable with my 394/5xp and my dad's 084av. 24" bars on both saws the 394/5xp would tie or just be a little faster. 36" the 394/5xp was a little slower. We were in the same oak log, was probably closer to 34" just the tip of the bar would stick out at center. I will say this much, I'd rather run a 394/5xp ms660 or a 3120xp over any of the old 084-090 saws. Much smoother cutting. That 084av made my hands numb for hours after cutting with it. Screw that. Don't need it.

A 660 has a higher chain speed through out the power band than a 084 088 or 880 you won't notice a difference in the wood until you start running 42' bars or bigger. That's where the 120cc class saw's shine. Pulling five feet of wood or more. That's what those big saws are built for! Can't speak for Huskies. Haven't run to many of them.

 

[SS396driver]

Interesting, typically they came in black, yellow, and white. Never seen one in orange. Even the power king (economy) tractor my brother owns has kohler painted black. I'm certain it's a kohker tank though. I have a bunch of them laying around for some reason.

Looks like you could get them bare steel . This is from sears says it fits some of their tractors

 

[JustPlainJeff]

I'm 99% sure the 400 will be the death of the ms362.(intended by stihl) Well I personally think (so far) if it holds up at all it will be the go to 60/70cc saw. And believe me when I say I'm biased with my 60/70cc saws. I've never cared for a 50cc saw.

You may be right about this. I wondered what Stihl was doing when they released an "in-between" saw like the 400. Why just 5ccs (or so) larger than the 362, or 5-7ccs smaller than the 462's? Maybe they'll phase out the 362's. But the 362's have a pretty good following. I personally love my 260 and 261 50cc saws though. I lost a bunch of weight (45-50lbs.) in the last year due to a thyroid problem that I didn't find out about until recently. When I lost the weight, I lost a lot of muscle along with it, and for right now, the 50cc saws feel just about right for me, until I can build some muscle back up. My 462 is kicking my azz when using it for more than a single tree right now.

 

[sean donato]

A 660 has a higher chain speed through out the power band than a 084 088 or 880 you won't notice a difference in the wood until you start running 42' bars or bigger. That's where the 120cc class saw's shine. Pulling five feet of wood or more. That's what those big saws are built for! Can't speak for Huskies. Haven't run to many of them.

Even on a mill wasn't impressed with the 084av. Our "big" wood around here rarely exceeds the needs of a 36" bar. Even so I'd rather have a 3120xp then an 084/88/880. Guess we all have our preferences. I do like a ms660. Fine, powerful saw.

Could make the same comments about the 462 or 500i. All three are very light for their displacement and power.

I love my 10 mm 044 and it runs very strong ... but my two ported 462s ,,. Lighter, smoother, faster, less air filter cleaning.

Id bet the 500i kills the ms462off as well, especially if we ever see the advent of home diagnostics for these electronic saws, the tech spreads to other saws, and the price comes down a bit. Very light and powerful. Very impressed with these new saws.

 

[sean donato]

You may be right about this. I wondered what Stihl was doing when they released an "in-between" saw like the 400. Why just 5ccs (or so) larger than the 362, or 5-7ccs smaller than the 462's? Maybe they'll phase out the 362's. But the 362's have a pretty good following. I personally love my 260 and 261 50cc saws though. I lost a bunch of weight (45-50lbs.) in the last year due to a thyroid problem that I didn't find out about until recently. When I lost the weight, I lost a lot of muscle along with it, and for right now, the 50cc saws feel just about right for me, until I can build some muscle back up. My 462 is kicking my azz when using it for more than a single tree right now.

If you look back to the 0xx series of old. Had all.kinds off odd in-between saws. Just seems to be a stihl thing.

 

[WoodAbuser]

If you look back to the 0xx series of old. Had all.kinds off odd in-between saws. Just seems to be a stihl thing.

It is because they had 3 lines of saws for a long time. Pro saws, Farm saws and Homeowner saws. Many were very close in size, but a huge difference in ease of repair and longevity under hard use.

 

[MustangMike]

Even on a mill wasn't impressed with the 084av. Our "big" wood around here rarely exceeds the needs of a 36" bar. Even so I'd rather have a 3120xp then an 084/88/880. Guess we all have our preferences. I do like a ms660. Fine, powerful saw.

Id bet the 500i kills the ms462off as well, especially if we ever see the advent of home diagnostics for these electronic saws, the tech spreads to other saws, and the price comes down a bit. Very light and powerful. Very impressed with these new saws.

But, the 500i does NOT have the clean air filter tech, and seems to get poor fuel economy. So, I'm happy with a ported 462 for most duties, and a ported (old fasion) Hybrid for the bigger stuff.

 

[sean donato]

But, the 500i does NOT have the clean air filter tech, and seems to get poor fuel economy. So, I'm happy with a ported 462 for most duties, and a ported (old fasion) Hybrid for the bigger stuff.

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. Time will be the ultimate test. The 462 and arguably the 362 were game changers foe the stihl line up.

It is because they had 3 lines of saws for a long time. Pro saws, Farm saws and Homeowner saws. Many were very close in size, but a huge difference in ease of repair and longevity under hard use.

Yeah I get that, but there was really no need for it. Even today I think they overlap a lot with in the home owner, farm, and pro saw. The 3 saws we've been talking about as case point. 362, 400, and 462. All three are right there neck and neck. Toss the 500i in there and it's like just wow. 4 pro grade saws just stacked right on top of each other.

 

[ValleyForge]

But, the 500i does NOT have the clean air filter tech, and seems to get poor fuel economy. So, I'm happy with a ported 462 for most duties, and a ported (old fasion) Hybrid for the bigger stuff.

I believe the 500i has a smaller fuel tank due to the computer sitting where the rest of the tanks was…it doesn’t make a difference in feeding times for the monster, but now you know why…,

 

[chipper1]

Managed to get a 3 more in the woodshed, only got a picture of this load, so I'm guessing those other 3 won't count .
Since I just sharpened my chain I won't be doing the video of it running smooth as it should, but here's one of it cutting as it is, very aggressive. It does bite nice, even in rock hard BL.

 

[Kodiak Kid]

Even on a mill wasn't impressed with the 084av. Our "big" wood around here rarely exceeds the needs of a 36" bar. Even so I'd rather have a 3120xp then an 084/88/880. Guess we all have our preferences. I do like a ms660. Fine, powerful saw.

Id bet the 500i kills the ms462off as well, especially if we ever see the advent of home diagnostics for these electronic saws, the tech spreads to other saws, and the price comes down a bit. Very light and powerful. Very impressed with these new saws.

When I first got into milling in the late 90's An ex girlfriend of mines father and I salvaged fresh cut logs for milling. Often we worked side by side so to speak. He had a 088 I had a 066. We never ripped much over 30" on average I'd say 20" to 24" most of the time. All fresh green Sitka Spruce. Same chain, grind and bar length. His Granberg didn't move down the log any faster than mine. If it did? It wasn't at all noticeable. If we were ripping four feet of wood. His probably would have produced much faster and I probably would have burnt up my power head!

 

[chipper1]

@Kodiak Kid will this work?
Oregon 13624 0.325" Pitch 9 Tooth Standard 7 Spline Power Mate Rim https://a.co/aIkzZfX

That works.

Negative. A standard .325 sprocket won't fit a 3/8 drum. They both have different size spline shafts and I would think that being as a .325 pitch chian cuts a bit of a narrower kerf. A 90cc power head would pull it a little faster. Than a 3/8 pitch.

I could be wrong about chian speed in the wood between the two chains with the same grind, but If you have a .325 sprocket that will fit a 660 drum I'd like to see a picture and know where to get one! I've been looking for one for a while now. However, maybe I haven't been looking hard enough!View attachment 992710

I thought they were just a standard deal, the one above should work fine.
Here's another option.
https://www.hlsproparts.com/Rim-Sprocket-325-Pitch-9-Tooth-p/rst-325-9.htmIf you want something faster chain speed yet Danzco sells them in many sizes, they are more "geared" for racing. Be aware that you may have to run a longer chain for any of these, or many times you can cheat them on by installing the bar/chain/sprocket all together at one time.
https://www.chainsawcc.com/products...et-rims-many-varieties?variant=41698371764401

 

[Kodiak Kid]

That works.

I thought they were just a standard deal, the one above should work fine.
Here's another option.
https://www.hlsproparts.com/Rim-Sprocket-325-Pitch-9-Tooth-p/rst-325-9.htmIf you want something faster chain speed yet Danzco sells them in many sizes, they are more "geared" for racing. Be aware that you may have to run a longer chain for any of these, or many times you can cheat them on by installing the bar/chain/sprocket all together at one time.
https://www.chainsawcc.com/products...et-rims-many-varieties?variant=41698371764401

What's the displacement of that Jonsread you're running?

 

[chipper1]

What's the displacement of that Jonsread you're running?

60cc.