Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)

[Backyard Lumberjack]

Well , SR I cannot speak for KK , but I believe what he is saying is that many reknowned lighter calibers , .222 . 223 , .243 & 25-06 pushing 50 , 60 70 or 130 grain Sirocco's conventionally used for open country medium game hunting are much more likely to be diverted from their intended path traveling at 2880 - 3380 fps . Than any 30 , 32 or .45×70 caliber nozler partition or Aframe rounds of 180 , 200 , 220 , 325 or 405 grains traveling at 1350 to 1895 fps . I however , was originally speaking specifically of my Marlin 450 Big bore pushing a much heavier & blunted 500 grain projectile , which is very stable in flight . No I never intentionally bush bust any more than I would sound shoot. I hunt ethically and load the best loads & rifle to the application brother . Anyhow good discussions , think we should give the thread back to the wood cutting fella's .. Cheers Gentlemen !

well, no doubt there Nw but i am ok with it being close... what with bouncing rounds off and thru the brush...

 

[MustangMike]

I was preparing a tax return for a neighbor who was also a WW II vet (after my Dad passed) and lamented that my Dad took so much of what he knew with him.

The guy then told me some stories of his service in the Navy in the Pacific that he never told his own kids! I shared them with them.

 

[MustangMike]

Got my dies today for my 338-06. Converted a box of 30-06 brass and loaded some 200 grain bullets at "modest" levels to use for break in and sight in.

First time I have ever converted brass from one caliber to another, but it went very smoothly.

FYI, Midway USA had Lee dies in this caliber in stock! I was pleasantly shocked!

 

[Backyard Lumberjack]

Not when Brett & you are on the scene Tex , word is its a blood bath ! (check out post 76,796 pardner lmao)

he is more of a close-in expert than me... uh-huh!

 

[North by Northwest]

nope, plum out! had to substitute cauliflower leaves again... but, nbd to me!
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Yep , I here yeah can't be rootin ..tooting Tex every week !

 

[Backyard Lumberjack]

Yep , I hear yeah can't be rootin ..tooting Tex every week !

still raining, i guess some KP now... hey WA~ am all caught up...
for now

 

[SS396driver]

As it looked when I removed it
After I restored the bezel

 

[North by Northwest]

well, no doubt there Nw but i am ok with it being close... what with bouncing rounds off and thru the brush...

Actually , apparently in Maine & New Hampshire the County Mounties frown on Party or Group Hunting , perhaps because of the Bouncing Bety's going off & through the bush !

 

[North by Northwest]

still raining, i guess some KP now... hey WA~ am all caught up...
for now

Awesome Brother

 

[Lionsfan]

hi Lf - as i sit here clicking off pages, laffing a hoot or two... am eating boiled spuds and cabbage!

Echoville doesn't show up om Google Maps. Hafta wonder, Cowboys or Texans? Longhorns or Aggies?

 

[JimR]

Yesterday's scrounging is all the uncut logs on my pile. These trees were all laying down on my hill.

My Dad was a radio operator in the Tank Destroyers during WW-II so they issued him an M1Carbine. As they were in the open fields of France and later Germany, I asked him what the heck he did with it.

He responded: "First chance I got I traded it for an M1Gerand with someone who did not need his anymore". Unfortunately, I think there were a lot of them. My Dad was in both the Battle of the Hedge Rows and the Battle of the Bulge. He said the only reason we won is because we were able to keep replacing our troops, but the Germans ran out at the end of the war we ended up fighting against old men and kids (Hitler Youth).

My father started in Africa, then on to Sicily and Salerno, Anzio and Southern France. He was also at the Battle of the Bulge. He ended up in Austria at the end of the war.

 

[Sierra_rider]

War is never as glamorous as the movies portray , lots of returning veterans never speak of the actual action . My Uncle never did , just trivia like how he welcomed the M1 Carbine over the Lee Enfield Infantry Rifle . Or how the French welcomed the Allies in Paris along with the overwhelming amount of Wine bottles opened that day lol.

This kinda reminds me of a WW2 and Korean war pilot I used to shoot clays with. He flew B-26s or A-26s(I forget exactly) over Europe, but never talked about action.

The only "war" story he ever told was when he was flying night fighters over Korea. IIRC, the story goes that he was flying a p-61...anyway, they were headed towards what appeared to be a large flight, on radar, of enemy aircraft at night. They closed in rapidly and he was looking for the enemy when his plane started getting hit all over. Turns out they flew into a very large flock of migrating birds.

 

[Sierra_rider]

Fortunately, the majority who move here are conservatives who fled blue states to get away from the BS. Now, all we have to do is beat back the leftist rabble that wants another CO

The crappy part, and I'm sure CO is similar, is it's the people in the urban centers that control a lot of the politics. Even here in Cali, if you were teleported to my county, you'd think you were in ID, Montana, Wyoming, etc. The state is controlled by the people that live in the SF Gay Area and LA...the people that live in the central valley and in the Sierras, have little-to-nothing in common with the coast area, yet we literally have no say in state politics.

There was a movement a few years ago to break the north half of the state off(Jefferson,) but that was doomed to fail. The populated areas need to steal our water and other resources, they'd never let it go.

 

[JimR]

My Dad would not talk about the war unless it was to "teach a life's lesson". If you tried to get him to talk about it (with few exceptions) he would either tell you he was busy, or just walk away from you. Over the years, I did get a few things out of him, but not a whole lot. I had to choose my questions very carefully to get him to respond (like there had to be a reason).

Bothered me to know how much information and history died with him.

He was in the reserves when the war broke out, served under both English and American command, and had to stay after the war as an interpreter because he spoke both German and Italian fluently. He was only one of two guys from the original reserve unit to make it to the end.

My dad was the same way about talking about the war. Alcohol got him to talk but very little. The one thing I have always remembered was him saying that he hoped that I would never have to do what he did at Anzio. I hounded him about it until he told me about killing someone with his knife. He and one of his buddies were manning a machine gun at Anzio when they were almost overrun by the Germans. I met his friend in the 70's. He told me that my father saved his life that day.

 

[JimR]

not my fav thing to do, but no doubt a fresh cut swath up and back makes for a nice change and update....

Keeping the roads open and mowed makes it easier to harvest trees or just go for a nice walk in the woods.

 

[JimR]

i hear ya SR, but i dunno! ~

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That was a wild hit.

 

[JimR]

Yesterday's scrounging is all the uncut logs on my pile. These trees were all laying down on my hill.

My father started in Africa, then on to Sicily and Salerno, Anzio and Southern France. He was also at the Battle of the Bulge. He ended up in Austria at the end of the war.

Here is what all those logs look like as of today.

 

[Kodiak Kid]

I might have to go back and reread Robs post. But, with all of the variables you listed, it sounds to me like you just proved Robs point? I don't believe in Brush Busting Calibers. My go to deer gun is a 250 Savage in a 1950 Model R Savage 99. I prefer to shoot through the tiny spaces. I do shoot deer and pigs in the eye. One of the prettiest deer I've taken was with a 70 grain Savage 22 HiPower. Now that straight wall cases are legal in shotgun only counties, I've made my own cartridge. It's a 400 Whelen case cut down to 2.25" with a 265 gr .429 Hornady, for an over all case length of 2.80". Lots of folk would call it a Brush Buster, but if I can shoot a deer in the eye with it, why would I try to shoot it through a tree? For those interested, this little WV mountain deer was taken with this 120 year old, 1899 H Take Down rifle, made in 1912 with the original 1912 Malcolm scope on it.

Here's my yet to be named .429 caliber straight wall deer cartridge.

I see your point, and yes. Why would you shoot through a tree?!?! Why would any hunter shoot through a tree?!?! We are talking "brush" cartridges here. Not tree cartridges.

Now lets talk hunting ethics. I love long range precision shooting, and I am fair marksman with a rifle. I can hit a 4" bull at 500 no problem with my PRC rifle if Im sloppy that particular day at the range. However. Its weights almost 20 pounds. I don't hunt with it. I'm confident with any of my hunting rifles out to 300. I don't shoot further than that at game. Furthermore, I never ever take head shots!!! I was taught at a young age by my father, that no matter how good of hunter, rifleman, marksman, sniper, or pee shooter I think I am. That mistakes can easily be made no matter how good of a shot you are, and s**t happens in the field! He inStihled this into me. I shoot for the vitals! Wether it be 30 yards or 300. Its simply the biggest target and you can hit only a portion of the vitals and the animal will Stihl die quickly provided you "Bring Enough Gun"!!! People who brag about only taking head shots, (and im saying you in particular Sir) never tell you about the jaws or noses they've blown off! Only to see the animal run off and die a slow horrible painful death!!! If they say they never have wounded an animal in the head. They haven't harvested many animals with only head shots. I haven't killed the San Diego Zoo, but I've taken well over 100 Blacktail. Unfortunately. I've made some sloppy shots that Im not at all proud of, anyone who says they haven't. Is not an avid hunter and has not taken many animals at all! Just about all of my slop shots were all a little bit far back in the midsection. However, being as when I hunt. I "Bring Enough Gun", so even gut shot deer die quickly and don't make it far. I can only remember two that I hit to low in the front leg that got away. I tried for two days to find the animals and finish them off. Unfortunately, I was unsuccessful! I've actually harvested two deer that had recovered from sloppy head shots. One with deformed nose blown all to h**l and one with a jacked up jaw. The sad thing is. A lot, not all or even most of us hunters, but a lot. Never even make an attempt to find an animal they wound that gets away. IMOP Taking shots through brush, is a hunting ethics decision the hunter must make based on experience. I've shot a hand full of Blacktial through brush. Nothing thick, because that would be unethical. However, every deer I have shot through brush. Went down with the quickness right now! All of them with a well placed shot to the vitals and by "bringing enough gun" !

Good hunting to you Sir, and best of luck punching your next tag! Thankyou, that is all.

 

[Cowboy254]

Here is what all those logs look like as of today.

Looks great! You've got a lot done.

 

[Brufab]

my neighborhood still full of stuff like that! some gone now, but loads of firewood for an easy scrounge....

just cut and stack. or toss into truck. lots cut to size or close....
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all oak but last

Great score! I would of never of thought texas have so much scrounge on the daily. all phases too, green, getting dryer, and ready to that echoville seems like one swell place